is BGS following their own stated grading criteria?

[cgilmo]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

btw, one card is proof of nothing.

Grading is a sham and you know it. The standards just aren't what they were even 2 years ago.

You know it can be swayed by the who and how much is involved. Just ask the guy on eBay with all of the 2010 BDPP Pristine 10 slabs

Cicero (1st class card guys) subbed 60 cases worth of BDP.


That is why he has a bunch of 10's


Personally I sub about 2000 per year and I get about 10 pristine.

He's got a much better ratio than you do though...

I'm sure if you work the numbers out, his are similar. And he is subbing base cards that are a bit easier to pick through.

 

[morgoth]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

That 60 Cases is a disengenious amount. All bulk submitters submit on the Min Grade system where if they don't get a certain grade for the card they don't pay anything for it.

4SC for example in 70's commons mostly only "pays" for grades when they are PSA 8's or higher.

I know Beckett does the same thing so there is no telling how many of those 60 Cases of cards where just kicked out as min grade and never cost the submitter anything.

This type of system is begging for overgrading due to PSA and BGS wanting their fees so its in their best interest to allow more cards to pass through at the min grade so the can earn more cash.

 

[nosterbor]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Yucky. Although I am starting to feel really good about the chances of this ending up a 9.5 now

Centering an 8 on that? And a 9 on the Taillon? That's nuts, unless the back is just awful

that is an incorrect grade it should have be graded a 9. the avg grade on that card is 9.25.

 

[morgoth]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Yucky. Although I am starting to feel really good about the chances of this ending up a 9.5 now

Centering an 8 on that? And a 9 on the Taillon? That's nuts, unless the back is just awful

that is an incorrect grade it should have be graded a 9. the avg grade on that card is 9.25.

typically on BGS cards you can't get a grade higher than 0.5 of the lowest grade, in this case the 8 on centering only allowed a max grade of 8.5.

 

[cgilmo]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

That 60 Cases is a disengenious amount. All bulk submitters submit on the Min Grade system where if they don't get a certain grade for the card they don't pay anything for it.

4SC for example in 70's commons mostly only "pays" for grades when they are PSA 8's or higher.

I know Beckett does the same thing so there is no telling how many of those 60 Cases of cards where just kicked out as min grade and never cost the submitter anything.

This type of system is begging for overgrading due to PSA and BGS wanting their fees so its in their best interest to allow more cards to pass through at the min grade so the can earn more cash.

yes, but he still presented 60 cases worth of cards for them to look at


thus, more chances at a 10

 

[burke23]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

that is an incorrect grade it should have be graded a 9. the avg grade on that card is 9.25.

typically on BGS cards you can't get a grade higher than 0.5 of the lowest grade, in this case the 8 on centering only allowed a max grade of 8.5.

I believe that is the case UNLESS 3 subs are 2 grades or higher than the 4th (lowest) grade. The max bump in that situation is 1 point. (ie 3x 10's and 1x8 would be a 9 overall). Either way - that Heyward is going back to BGS on the group sub. Ridiculous centering grade.

 

[bballcardkid]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Yucky. Although I am starting to feel really good about the chances of this ending up a 9.5 now

Centering an 8 on that? And a 9 on the Taillon? That's nuts, unless the back is just awful

that is an incorrect grade it should have be graded a 9. the avg grade on that card is 9.25.

typically on BGS cards you can't get a grade higher than 0.5 of the lowest grade, in this case the 8 on centering only allowed a max grade of 8.5.

It's actually 1.0 of the lowest grade. If you have a card with subs of 8, 7, 7, 3, the overall will be a 4. If you have a card with subs of 10, 10, 10, 8.5, the overall will be a 9.5.

edited as I didn't know that. Unreal.

 

[morgoth]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Agreed, and I do believe there is a processing fee even on the kick outs. But some people have deals you woudn't believe.

PSA actually flew graders out to a guy's house to do a review sub for him because he had so many cards he didn't want to ship them to PSA and also because many were irreplaceable (T206 PSA 8's etc).

My point is that for these bulk guys it doesn't cost much to send cards in on a whim just to see what pops. The rest of us agonize over what to send and look at them under loops etc only to have BGS or PSA review them in about 5 seconds.

 

[RZimm11]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Yucky. Although I am starting to feel really good about the chances of this ending up a 9.5 now

Centering an 8 on that? And a 9 on the Taillon? That's nuts, unless the back is just awful

that is an incorrect grade it should have be graded a 9. the avg grade on that card is 9.25.

typically on BGS cards you can't get a grade higher than 0.5 of the lowest grade, in this case the 8 on centering only allowed a max grade of 8.5.

Had a Zimmerman the same way. 9, 9.5, 9.5, 7 (centering). Total grade: 7.5 (Average would be 8.75)

The centering on my Zimm was way better than that Taillon also!

 

[jcmint]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

That 60 Cases is a disengenious amount. All bulk submitters submit on the Min Grade system where if they don't get a certain grade for the card they don't pay anything for it.

4SC for example in 70's commons mostly only "pays" for grades when they are PSA 8's or higher.

I know Beckett does the same thing so there is no telling how many of those 60 Cases of cards where just kicked out as min grade and never cost the submitter anything.

This type of system is begging for overgrading due to PSA and BGS wanting their fees so its in their best interest to allow more cards to pass through at the min grade so the can earn more cash.

Where are you getting this info from. It is completely false

I would also say that first class guy put in well over 1000 cards and alot of them were base and low end ref's. That stuff was super clean from draft this year. If anyone saw that guys grading bill people would have a way different opinion. Look at how many subs that people on these boards are getting back who sub maybe 20 cards I see 10's all the time. My last sub I got back was well over 100 cards and I got one ten it was a base chrome ten.

 

[nosterbor]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Yucky. Although I am starting to feel really good about the chances of this ending up a 9.5 now

Centering an 8 on that? And a 9 on the Taillon? That's nuts, unless the back is just awful

that is an incorrect grade it should have be graded a 9. the avg grade on that card is 9.25.

typically on BGS cards you can't get a grade higher than 0.5 of the lowest grade, in this case the 8 on centering only allowed a max grade of 8.5.

and if you have 3 10's and an 8? it comes back an 8.5?

 

[morgoth]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

From people like 4SC, major PSA dealers, other collectors.

This has all been verified and reported on many times on PSA's site.

Bulk submitters that I have talked to pay PSA $3 a card for min grade of PSA 8 on their 70s, min grade of 9 on 80's and higher. All cards not graded are like a 25 cent processing fee. All this in contengent on a certain monthly volumn minimum.

As a business model it makes a lot of sense. It just makes overgrading a profitable venture for PSA and BGS.

Next time you go to show ask around the dealers about bulk sub deals most are very upfront about it.

 

[morgoth]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

That 60 Cases is a disengenious amount. All bulk submitters submit on the Min Grade system where if they don't get a certain grade for the card they don't pay anything for it.

4SC for example in 70's commons mostly only "pays" for grades when they are PSA 8's or higher.

I know Beckett does the same thing so there is no telling how many of those 60 Cases of cards where just kicked out as min grade and never cost the submitter anything.

This type of system is begging for overgrading due to PSA and BGS wanting their fees so its in their best interest to allow more cards to pass through at the min grade so the can earn more cash.

Where are you getting this info from. It is completely false

I would also say that first class guy put in well over 1000 cards and alot of them were base and low end ref's. That stuff was super clean from draft this year. If anyone saw that guys grading bill people would have a way different opinion. Look at how many subs that people on these boards are getting back who sub maybe 20 cards I see 10's all the time. My last sub I got back was well over 100 cards and I got one ten it was a base chrome ten.

Tell your friend to contact BGS and try and work out a better grading deal. Also these deals are for people that grade thousands of cards a month not 1000 cards once in awhile.

 

[JoshHamilton]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

btw, one card is proof of nothing.

This one card is proof Beckett is a complete and utter joke

 

[nyc3]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

and if you have 3 10's and an 8? it comes back an 8.5?

Yes 99% of the time barring a dumb grader, is this the first graded card you seen? Its been like this for years, its not on an average as you think.

And as for the "free" comment I know someone who subs probably some of the most cards in the country and the least they can get is 25 cents per. Now you are just making stuff up to make it look like you know what you are talking about.

 

[Rickzcards]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Anyone with a high end card that has obvious flaws can guarantee themselves a gem mint grade by having Beckett sell it for them. There are many examples of that happening, the Aaron Rodgers logo was one of their most recent cards with obvious flaws to only get a 9.5 gem mint grade because it was in their best interest to grade it as such.

 

[jcmint]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

That 60 Cases is a disengenious amount. All bulk submitters submit on the Min Grade system where if they don't get a certain grade for the card they don't pay anything for it.

4SC for example in 70's commons mostly only "pays" for grades when they are PSA 8's or higher.

I know Beckett does the same thing so there is no telling how many of those 60 Cases of cards where just kicked out as min grade and never cost the submitter anything.

This type of system is begging for overgrading due to PSA and BGS wanting their fees so its in their best interest to allow more cards to pass through at the min grade so the can earn more cash.

Where are you getting this info from. It is completely false

I would also say that first class guy put in well over 1000 cards and alot of them were base and low end ref's. That stuff was super clean from draft this year. If anyone saw that guys grading bill people would have a way different opinion. Look at how many subs that people on these boards are getting back who sub maybe 20 cards I see 10's all the time. My last sub I got back was well over 100 cards and I got one ten it was a base chrome ten.

Tell your friend to contact BGS and try and work out a better grading deal. Also these deals are for people that grade thousands of cards a month not 1000 cards once in awhile.

Again you got bad info every no grade cost money. Nothing is free like you say. I am a bulk submitter and I am telling you nothing is free. You got bad info and should not be spreading bad info around. I know for a fact no matter how big the order is you pay for no grades.

 

[blazers091]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

he must have slipped an extra 5 dollars to BGS.

 

[morgoth]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

and if you have 3 10's and an 8? it comes back an 8.5?

Yes 99% of the time barring a dumb grader, is this the first graded card you seen? Its been like this for years, its not on an average as you think.

And as for the "free" comment I know someone who subs probably some of the most cards in the country and the least they can get is 25 cents per. Now you are just making stuff up to make it look like you know what you are talking about.

25 cents is exactly what I said, that it was a processing fee more than a grading fee. Look back at my posts. I don't need to make stuff up about grading, I have been in this thing long enough. WIWAG was my first big screw job. I doubt many have been around grading longer than me.

 

[WJCIII]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

It's amazing how people throw out "facts" when they know absolutely nothing about the grading process, price structure, or anything else associated with grading. It's comical actually.