is BGS following their own stated grading criteria?

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I figure it's reappearance is merited here...

 

[morgoth]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

It's amazing how people throw out "facts" when they know absolutely nothing about the grading process, price structure, or anything else associated with grading. It's comical actually.

Really, go search the PSA boards on this matter. Many people have stated what they pay and the bulk rates there. BGS offers very similar rates. Just because you don't think this is possible doesn't make it so.

Also there is a difference from a normal bulk submitter and 4SC, if you think you are getting the same deal you are smoking crack.

 

[morgoth]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I figure it's reappearance is merited here...

What is the subgrade on centering, I can't make it out. I hope to god it isn't a 10.

 

[WJCIII]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

It's amazing how people throw out "facts" when they know absolutely nothing about the grading process, price structure, or anything else associated with grading. It's comical actually.

Really, go search the PSA boards on this matter. Many people have stated what they pay and the bulk rates there. BGS offers very similar rates. Just because you don't think this is possible doesn't make it so.

Also there is a difference from a normal bulk submitter and 4SC, if you think you are getting the same deal you are smoking crack.

Actually, I can GUARANTEE you that I know much more than you on this subject. What PSA offers for pricing and what BGS offers for pricing are not in the same ballpark when it comes to bulk deals.

 

[jcmint]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

and if you have 3 10's and an 8? it comes back an 8.5?

Yes 99% of the time barring a dumb grader, is this the first graded card you seen? Its been like this for years, its not on an average as you think.

And as for the "free" comment I know someone who subs probably some of the most cards in the country and the least they can get is 25 cents per. Now you are just making stuff up to make it look like you know what you are talking about.

25 cents is exactly what I said, that it was a processing fee more than a grading fee. Look back at my posts. I don't need to make stuff up about grading, I have been in this thing long enough. WIWAG was my first big screw job. I doubt many have been around grading longer than me.

No what you said was "All bulk submitters submit on the Min Grade system where if they don't get a certain grade for the card they don't pay anything for it. " Thats a broad statement and very false at bgs.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I figure it's reappearance is merited here...

What is the subgrade on centering, I can't make it out. I hope to god it isn't a 10.

I believe it's an 11, however the edges received a threeve.

 

[nosterbor]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

if you buy a card just for the grade of a 10 and see it is off center. then thats is you problem. this is the reason i will not bid on this card.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1993-TOPPS-FINEST-R ... 43a509fbed

 

[masonphillip]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I sub thousands of cards a year, a card like that Taillon is absolutely the exception not the rule. I've been doing the huge subs for several years now...my %s are not changing.

Additionally, due to the BGS case, the plastic can catch more light from the scanner on one side than the other and thus make the center look far worse than it is by obscuring part of an edge. I struggle with this when scanning slabs at times. So to really assess this, you need to view it in person with the naked eye.

Its not as if BGS doesn't make mistakes, like PSA, SGC, you name it. They are all human but the vast conspiracy theories are really overstated after finding one slab among a sea of them on eBay you don't like.

 

[nosterbor]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

a 10 to me had better have great EYE APPEAL.

 

[Sportsnutcards]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

The Best Bulk deal through BGS that i have heard is pay $2 on no grades and $6 for every 9+. Every major grader will tell you that there is no way to 'bribe" the graders even if you are a top customer. I know a couple large PSA submitters and they pay around the same prices, but some like 4 Sharp corners and DSL pay a lot less because their volum is so huge.

 

[1995BBRefractorGuy]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

It's amazing how people throw out "facts" when they know absolutely nothing about the grading process, price structure, or anything else associated with grading. It's comical actually.

+1

Uninformed opinions rule message boards...

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

It's amazing how people throw out "facts" when they know absolutely nothing about the grading process, price structure, or anything else associated with grading. It's comical actually.

+1

Uninformed opinions rule message boards...

Nothing wrong with uninformed opinions, the problem is when facts and opinion blur.

 

[nosterbor]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

yes they all mess up. how do you miss grading this card properly? what this is, is very obvious unless you do not know cards or players.if such is the case these people should not be grading cards!

P.S. i should have stated. how do you miss identifying this card properly?

 

[George_Calfas]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

if you buy a card just for the grade of a 10 and see it is off center. then thats is you problem. this is the reason i will not bid on this card.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1993-TOPPS-FINEST-R ... 43a509fbed

Ahhh wcsports1......they get "GREAT" grades on 1993s :?:

 

[morgoth]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

It's amazing how people throw out "facts" when they know absolutely nothing about the grading process, price structure, or anything else associated with grading. It's comical actually.

Really, go search the PSA boards on this matter. Many people have stated what they pay and the bulk rates there. BGS offers very similar rates. Just because you don't think this is possible doesn't make it so.

Also there is a difference from a normal bulk submitter and 4SC, if you think you are getting the same deal you are smoking crack.

Actually, I can GUARANTEE you that I know much more than you on this subject. What PSA offers for pricing and what BGS offers for pricing are not in the same ballpark when it comes to bulk deals.

Then lay the knowledge out there man. No need to turn this into a pissing contest. I have info from my friends, dealers and collectors and it could be different than yours. I am just saying what I have seen from invoices and reported by others.

 

[morgoth]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

yes they all mess up. how do you miss grading this card properly? what this is, is very obvious unless you do not know cards or players.if such is the case these people should not be grading cards!

P.S. i should have stated. how do you miss identifying this card properly?

Sometimes I have seen PSA just take what is written on the sub form as gospel and not actually verify the card. So it might have been the submitter who had it wrong.

But the majority occur due to PSA not caring enought to look up the card and yes these mechanical errors suck especially when you are trying to enter cards into registries.

 

[burke23]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I prefer PSA to BGS, but here is one of my more favorite labeling errors by PSA. My form clearly stated 'White Uncirculated'...if it was necessary at all.
*Edit to add - the gold version is literally gold bordered - has nothing to do with the script color.

 

[mudflap02]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

yes they all mess up. how do you miss grading this card properly? what this is, is very obvious unless you do not know cards or players.if such is the case these people should not be grading cards!

P.S. i should have stated. how do you miss identifying this card properly?

What am I missing here? That seems ok to me.

 

[WJCIII]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I'm a BGS guy but I will come to the defense of PSA here and say that both the Allen and Gonzalez cards are simply labeling errors. I'm sure if you sent it back to them they would fix it at no charge.

I prefer PSA to BGS, but here is one of my more favorite labeling errors by PSA. My form clearly stated 'White Uncirculated'...if it was necessary at all.
*Edit to add - the gold version is literally gold bordered - has nothing to do with the script color.

 

[JoshHamilton]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

yes they all mess up. how do you miss grading this card properly? what this is, is very obvious unless you do not know cards or players.if such is the case these people should not be grading cards!

P.S. i should have stated. how do you miss identifying this card properly?

What am I missing here? That seems ok to me.

Mislabeled. Flip says Juan Gonzalez; Should say PING!