is BGS following their own stated grading criteria?

[nosterbor]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

yes they all mess up. how do you miss grading this card properly? what this is, is very obvious unless you do not know cards or players.if such is the case these people should not be grading cards!

P.S. i should have stated. how do you miss identifying this card properly?

What am I missing here? That seems ok to me.

this is the correct version

 

[bmp1971]

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This Chapman 09 Bowman Chrome gold ref /50 I have measures out 50/50 L/R and is .5% better centered T/B than the gold Taillon is L/F: Chapman is 62% and Taillon is 61.5%.

Does anyone here think if I send this to BGS that it could GEM 9.5, assuming edges, corners, surface are all 9.5 or better? I mean seriously, if they give this centering a 9, I'll send it in tomorrow, because the rest of the card is as flawless as can be.

Let's compare:

 

[jmc62190]

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Spend the $$$$ get better grades. BGS is a joke Brad.

 

[cgilmo]

PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I spend tons of money with bgs and get constantly frustrated with my grades

 

[bmc398]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I spend tons of money with bgs and get constantly frustrated with my grades

Should have bought the Sale and Brentz Oranges from me. Were way better centered than the Taillon, and you'd be in the money!

 

[James52411]

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I spend tons of money with bgs and get constantly frustrated with my grades

Kook Conspiracy Theory of the Day: So, one of Beckett's primary competitors for eyeballs and advertising on the internet gets bad grades from BGS. I wonder why?

 

[cgilmo]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I spend tons of money with bgs and get constantly frustrated with my grades

Cook Conspiracy Theory of the Day: So, one of Beckett's primary competitors for eyeballs and advertising on the internet gets bad grades from BGS. I wonder why?

It doesn't work that way.

Obviously no one can prove this, but I am 100% certain that you can't pay for specific BGS grades indirectly or directly.

I would be willing to bet about anything on it.

 

[James52411]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I spend tons of money with bgs and get constantly frustrated with my grades

Cook Conspiracy Theory of the Day: So, one of Beckett's primary competitors for eyeballs and advertising on the internet gets bad grades from BGS. I wonder why?

It doesn't work that way.

Obviously no one can prove this, but I am 100% certain that you can't pay for specific BGS grades indirectly or directly.

I would be willing to bet about anything on it.

Admittedly it is a kook theory. But isn't that what the interwebs are for?

 

[MiracleMatthew]

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Wow. Some of you guys are just clueless. It's amazing that some of you make it through a day. It was not a good picture. Gilmore held the card and took a pic of it.. its barely off center at all. It's an easy 9, and even for the sake of all of you crying, bgs REGRADED it today. What do you know, still a 9 on the centering. Find something else to bitch about.. that heyward looks better than an 8 imo, but the taillon is a legit 9 on centering. If people "slipped Beckett an extra $5", they would be out of business.. yet most who wine all day about it send in cards to them.. its ridiculous.. they are the best in the business. Psa is not even close. If Chris posts the pic, I'm sure we will all hear about how the edges must be an 8.5

 

[jcmint]

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Wow. Some of you guys are just clueless. It's amazing that some of you make it through a day. It was not a good picture. Gilmore held the card and took a pic of it.. its barely off center at all. It's an easy 9, and even for the sake of all of you crying, bgs REGRADED it today. What do you know, still a 9 on the centering. Find something else to bitch about.. that heyward looks better than an 8 imo, but the taillon is a legit 9 on centering. If people "slipped Beckett an extra $5", they would be out of business.. yet most who wine all day about it send in cards to them.. its ridiculous.. they are the best in the business. Psa is not even close. If Chris posts the pic, I'm sure we will all hear about how the edges must be an 8.5

Umm Bravo.

 

[cgilmo]

PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

I think the scan does not account for the bow of the card.

 

[bmp1971]

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tilting a camera, in my opinion, is far less reliable a shot than a head-on scan of a card, esp when the shorter border is closer to the lens.

but hey, BGS regraded it a 9, it must be a 9! I'm sending in the Chapman and lets see how it goes...

 

[James52411]

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The card is better looking in the Gilmore picture than in the scan, but it needs to be 55-45 to get a 9 grade, so it looks like a borderline case.

I think all the grading companies improperly grade centering, not just BGS. How can a card be "pristine" if it is 60-40 on the back? That is just asinine. Then a card can be 65-35 on the back of the card and be "gem mint." That is a 2:1 ratio in both directions and yet a card can be considered Gem Mint. The standards for the front of the card are more reasonable, but often are graded leniently. I also cannot believe that you can have a diamond cut on a NrMt card. My complaint isn't so much that BGS is inconsistent (which it can be sometimes) as that their centering standards are too weak.

 

[cgilmo]

PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Tomorrow I'll get a pic from all angles.

 

[bmp1971]

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did you buy that, win the auction?

 

[cgilmo]

PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

No I did not buy it. The owner is at the Fcb show.

 

[masonphillip]

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tilting a camera, in my opinion, is far less reliable a shot than a head-on scan of a card, esp when the shorter border is closer to the lens.

but hey, BGS regraded it a 9, it must be a 9! I'm sending in the Chapman and lets see how it goes...

Not necessarily, the glare of the scanner and the bow of the card in the case can skew even a head on scan too.

We'll see tomorrow though from all angles.

 

[Metz1405]

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Who ever the owner is pm me I'd love to buy or trade for it

 

[bmp1971]

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based on the gold, can I assume this centering is a 9 and could gem? thoughts? they look identical to me. i'll buy it if it's going to get a BGS 9 on centering.

 

[autocut]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

If you think a ruler is used to measure the thickness of borders, you'll be disappointed.

Long gone is the "science" behind grading, and it's now a matter of the grader's eye, experience and little more. The time spent of cards is also significantly less than it used to be, hence the drop is cost over the years.

At the end of the day, people get what they pay for...Beckett's opinion about the grade, and as an opinion, it has little to do with fact.

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