is BGS following their own stated grading criteria?

[1995BBRefractorGuy]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Tomorrow I'll get a pic from all angles.

tap it over so the left edge is against the left side seal, as opposed to the way it is now...

 

[bmp1971]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

what do you guys think this card will get for centering grade from BGS?

 

[marterburn]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

what do you guys think this card will get for centering grade from BGS?

L-R looks 55/45 or better on both sides. can't really tell T-B, but it also looks 55-45. So I'd guess 9.5, maybe 10.

I do have this card; i was shocked it got a 10 on centering:

 

[bmp1971]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

that's so cool-- 3 10's!!!

I don't know exactly how they measure the 2008 bowman centering-- from the inner frame edge to the card's edge, or from the indentation where the inner frame is laid, or what? also, with the irregular top and bottom shapes on the inner frames, it's hard to know if they measure from the top of those arches, or what. In any case, I think it measures out gem, front and back, but wondered what others thought, esp in light of the awful looking gold Taillon centering getting a 9.

 

[VTsubmariner]

I would like to say through my experience the grade depends on the actual card. I know first class card guys submitted a bunch of Arenados for grading and didn't get a single 10. I submitted 2 cards and got a 10 ref. BTW after doing some research, its the only 10 arenado in the population report, period.

 

[beefycheddar]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

based on the gold, can I assume this centering is a 9 and could gem? thoughts? they look identical to me. i'll buy it if it's going to get a BGS 9 on centering.

No, not even close. I have held the one from the auction in person, and it is not very off centered. It is a TON better looking then the scan. I held it up in the chat room, it's a solid 9.

 

[marterburn]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

that's so cool-- 3 10's!!!

I don't know exactly how they measure the 2008 bowman centering-- from the inner frame edge to the card's edge, or from the indentation where the inner frame is laid, or what? also, with the irregular top and bottom shapes on the inner frames, it's hard to know if they measure from the top of those arches, or what. In any case, I think it measures out gem, front and back, but wondered what others thought, esp in light of the awful looking gold Taillon centering getting a 9.

With the 2008 T/B centering, the distance from the top of the "bubble" to the edge of the card should be slightly greater on the bottom than the top. Reason being the bubble on the bottom is bigger.

I didn't make this up, I read it somewhere on these forums after 2008 BDP released and it was a high-volume grader who said it (don't remember exactly who). So I trust that info.

 

[cgilmo]

BMP, get it through your head


the scan is playing a trick on you because the card bows inside the slab.


A scanner isn't going to pick up the bow effect.


myth = busted

 

[bmp1971]

glad you got it all under control gilmo

 

[MiracleMatthew]

Under control? People need to just stop complaining about bgs. Nobody slips them money. Gilmore had a lot of 9.5's, that doesn't mean he slips them money. Doing stuff like this thread will just make you lose the fcb grading deal. Who wins then?

 

[bmp1971]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Tomorrow I'll get a pic from all angles.

would love to see "all angles" on this one. please post if you can.

 

[bmc398]

Dude, give it up. As outspoken as I am against BGS and grading and as much crap as I gave earlier in the thread, I too saw the card at the show and it looks much better than the scan in person. Its a 9 in centering. The scan isn't doing it justice here.

 

[bmp1971]

there's nothing to give up. just wanting to see those pics gilmo said he was going to get. the majority only have the original scan to go by, so i'm curious how mint the card actually is compared to the original scan.

shocking :shock: someone would post such a terrible representation of a card, on auction nonetheless!

 

[aminors]

Re: PROOF BGS FAILS TO EVEN ADHERE TO THEIR OWN STANDARDS

Tomorrow I'll get a pic from all angles.

would love to see "all angles" on this one. please post if you can.

Come on dude. We all saw it. I saw it. It's really 60/40. The scan is effed up somehow, but the serial #s match. It's the same card in person as it is in the scan, but the scan makes it look suckish.

As long as you're here to doubt it, I'll be here to defend it.

 

[hoopster3977]

Looks like I got a different grader than for the Gold Taillon....

 

[aminors]

Looks like I got a different grader than for the Gold Taillon....

Grading. is. done. by. human. beings. and. nobody. is. perfect.

That being said, neither is the centering on your card. It's off RL and it's probably off on the back as well, for whatever that matters. Would someone else grade it a 9.5 for centering? Probably. Is it a great qualifier for a sub-bump? Yes, but as I now know for a FACT, scans don't tell the whole story especially when it comes to Chrome cards.

I know you haven't seen it, and I'm trying to be patient with the people who haven't, but I was literally inches away from that exact same gold ref BGS 9.5 (The only one in the world). It's well centered TB and is 60/40 LR which falls under the 9 category. The owner of the card even had it taken back to the grader who was AT the show, and he said the same thing.

This thread is getting really old. I mean I know haters are gonna hate, but this is excessive. There are multiple people willing to attest to the fact that the scan is a terrible one and does not reflect the actual centering of the card.

Please, just feed the beasts and post some pictures of the card.

Scans do make a difference. These two are the same exact card.

(well centered LR)

(off RL)

Oooooohhhhhhh. Aaahhhhhhh. It can happen.

 

[cgilmo]

there's nothing to give up. just wanting to see those pics gilmo said he was going to get. the majority only have the original scan to go by, so i'm curious how mint the card actually is compared to the original scan.

shocking :shock: someone would post such a terrible representation of a card, on auction nonetheless!

I didn't have time while he was set up to get back to the card. I had other things to worry about.


This pic is enough, and should shut everyone up about this particular card.

this thread will be locked some time tomorrow.

 

[MiracleMatthew]

there's nothing to give up. just wanting to see those pics gilmo said he was going to get. the majority only have the original scan to go by, so i'm curious how mint the card actually is compared to the original scan.

shocking :shock: someone would post such a terrible representation of a card, on auction nonetheless!

Dude come on. Just learn when to just stop. I could honestly care less about your opinion on this, or any of my cards. You aren't going to buy it, and you wouldn't have. It's a 9 centering. Plain and simple. If that is still hard to understand somehow, write a letter to Beckett telling them how unhappy with them you are and how much of a better grader you are, yet you have never seen the card in person. Everyone who saw it says its legit. Did I slip those guys money too? What do you benefit from by bashing Beckett online? Get over it, and move on. This is ridiculous. Why would someone take pictures from all angles for 1 guy who just refuses to listen

 

[sportscardtheory]

It's an ugly Gem Mint whether it's graded "properly" or not. That is a point that should be made. Buy the card, not the grade.

 

[bmp1971]

there's nothing to give up. just wanting to see those pics gilmo said he was going to get. the majority only have the original scan to go by, so i'm curious how mint the card actually is compared to the original scan.

shocking :shock: someone would post such a terrible representation of a card, on auction nonetheless!

Dude come on. Just learn when to just stop. I could honestly care less about your opinion on this, or any of my cards. You aren't going to buy it, and you wouldn't have. It's a 9 centering. Plain and simple. If that is still hard to understand somehow, write a letter to Beckett telling them how unhappy with them you are and how much of a better grader you are, yet you have never seen the card in person. Everyone who saw it says its legit. Did I slip those guys money too? What do you benefit from by bashing Beckett online? Get over it, and move on. This is ridiculous. Why would someone take pictures from all angles for 1 guy who just refuses to listen

gilmo said he was going to take pictures "from all angles" so just wondered if he had, as i obviously haven't seen the card beyond that scan. that's all. just curious to see pics. glad you got a gem. happy for you.