is it wrong

[sportscardtheory]

[quote="sportscardtheory":2auruav3] Then we will have to agree to disagree. It simply isn't done. If it was no big deal, it would have been done already.

:lol: ::facepalm:: :lol:

So because it wasn't done in the 16 perfect games in the last 150 years, you're convinced that you're right? :?

Why discount no-hitters? It's basically the same situation. Anyway, I'm barely arguing that I'm right, I'm simply proving that it is frowned upon and DOESN'T happen. What else you got.

Here's what else I got... Ben Davis would do it. He did it 4 outs away from the situation we're discussing, he said he would do it again. I don't see why he wouldn't do it 8 2/3 of the way through the game if he would do it 7 1/3 into a perfect game. So really, it has been done, just not on the very last out of a perfect game.

So it hasn't been done. Please stop comparing different situations. That was also a close game, NOT what this thread asked. Does anyone know what context is anymore??? Why do people insist on using oranges to prove apples make good pies? ::facepalm::

Just a thought...
Maybe you should take your own advice? The following has absolutely nothing to do with baseball, or the situation. RL24's Ben Davis example is a very similar situation. Sure it is different, but it's not like it has nothing to do with the situation. It does. It's attempting to break up a perfect game very late in the ball game by bunting.

predatorkj, in essence what you are arguing is a matter of principal versus "doing what you set out to do". Imagine you are going to the bank to take out some money, so it is clear, your objective is to take out money. You get to the door at the same time as a little old lady. What you are implying, is that it is OKAY to not hold the door for her and let her go in line in front of you. Of course you don't HAVE to, but it's a matter of principals/values/morals. Some people would hold the door, and others wouldn't because their goal is more important. You will still get to go into the bank and get your money, just like the hitter will still swing at the pitches. I guess maybe you would let the door hit the lady in the face while you walk by her, because what you are doing is far more important..

[/quote:2auruav3]

That was directed at someone else and to prove a DIFFERENT point I was trying to make about values.

 

[predatorkj]

Then we will have to agree to disagree. It simply isn't done. If it was no big deal, it would have been done already.

:lol: ::facepalm:: :lol:

So because it wasn't done in the 16 perfect games in the last 150 years, you're convinced that you're right? :?

Why discount no-hitters? It's basically the same situation. Anyway, I'm barely arguing that I'm right, I'm simply proving that it is frowned upon and DOESN'T happen. What else you got.

Here's what else I got... Ben Davis would do it. He did it 4 outs away from the situation we're discussing, he said he would do it again. I don't see why he wouldn't do it 8 2/3 of the way through the game if he would do it 7 1/3 into a perfect game. So really, it has been done, just not on the very last out of a perfect game.

So it hasn't been done. Please stop comparing different situations. That was also a close game, NOT what this thread asked. Does anyone know what context is anymore??? Why do people insist on using oranges to prove apples make good pies? ::facepalm::

Dude...you are arguing points you can't prove.When exactly has anyone done this?Never according to you?I am not sure you have checked this but I will play along and assume you are right.Now...can you prove that it would be frowned upon?If its never happened and therefore we have no proof that it would be frowned upon, because by your own account it has never happened, then how can you say its an unwritten rule?I think you are taking what everyone says and trying to twist it to suit your argument.I mean...at least take what we are saying into context.I think this is more of an honorable type thing with you and if you were playing and this is how you chose to do it then that's cool.If it means that much to you, you should write to SI and have them do a poll of all of the MLB players and see what they say.It be interesting to read.

In any case you cannot ever prove its wrong or that it is against any unwritten rule or that it would be frowned upon.You try to win the games with whatever you can as long as its not against the rules.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Just a thought...
Maybe you should take your own advice? The following has absolutely nothing to do with baseball, or the situation. RL24's Ben Davis example is a very similar situation. Sure it is different, but it's not like it has nothing to do with the situation. It does. It's attempting to break up a perfect game very late in the ball game by bunting.

I'm sorry you can't get your head around what the OP asked. It is called context, and some people can comprehend, and others can't. I know focusing can be hard, but within the context of what the OP asked, you are wrong. They can't compare, because the question is inside a box. It is what it is, not what you skate around it as.

 

[predatorkj]

[quote="RL24":qt99oios][quote="sportscardtheory":qt99oios] Then we will have to agree to disagree. It simply isn't done. If it was no big deal, it would have been done already.

:lol: ::facepalm:: :lol:

So because it wasn't done in the 16 perfect games in the last 150 years, you're convinced that you're right? :?

Why discount no-hitters? It's basically the same situation. Anyway, I'm barely arguing that I'm right, I'm simply proving that it is frowned upon and DOESN'T happen. What else you got.

Here's what else I got... Ben Davis would do it. He did it 4 outs away from the situation we're discussing, he said he would do it again. I don't see why he wouldn't do it 8 2/3 of the way through the game if he would do it 7 1/3 into a perfect game. So really, it has been done, just not on the very last out of a perfect game.

So it hasn't been done. Please stop comparing different situations. That was also a close game, NOT what this thread asked. Does anyone know what context is anymore??? Why do people insist on using oranges to prove apples make good pies? ::facepalm::

Just a thought...
Maybe you should take your own advice? The following has absolutely nothing to do with baseball, or the situation. RL24's Ben Davis example is a very similar situation. Sure it is different, but it's not like it has nothing to do with the situation. It does. It's attempting to break up a perfect game very late in the ball game by bunting.

predatorkj, in essence what you are arguing is a matter of principal versus "doing what you set out to do". Imagine you are going to the bank to take out some money, so it is clear, your objective is to take out money. You get to the door at the same time as a little old lady. What you are implying, is that it is OKAY to not hold the door for her and let her go in line in front of you. Of course you don't HAVE to, but it's a matter of principals/values/morals. Some people would hold the door, and others wouldn't because their goal is more important. You will still get to go into the bank and get your money, just like the hitter will still swing at the pitches. I guess maybe you would let the door hit the lady in the face while you walk by her, because what you are doing is far more important..

[/quote:qt99oios]

That was directed at someone else and to prove a DIFFERENT point I was trying to make about values.[/quote:qt99oios]


When did it matter though?It has nothing to do with the baseball situation.I mean...even the example in and of itself has nothing to do with the situation.Its not the same because if the lady makes the line before I do...what does that do to me?What do I lose.A couple of minutes?Maybe nothing at all depending on the line and how many tellers are working?

 

[sportscardtheory]

Dude...you are arguing points you can't prove.When exactly has anyone done this?Never according to you?I am not sure you have checked this but I will play along and assume you are right.Now...can you prove that it would be frowned upon?If its never happened and therefore we have no proof that it would be frowned upon, because by your own account it has never happened, then how can you say its an unwritten rule?I think you are taking what everyone says and trying to twist it to suit your argument.I mean...at least take what we are saying into context.I think this is more of an honorable type thing with you and if you were playing and this is how you chose to do it then that's cool.If it means that much to you, you should write to SI and have them do a poll of all of the MLB players and see what they say.It be interesting to read.

In any case you cannot ever prove its wrong or that it is against any unwritten rule or that it would be frowned upon.You try to win the games with whatever you can as long as its not against the rules.

I know it has not happened, and that is all I'm saying. I'm simply using facts and history to prove that it MOST LIKELY (better?) will never happen. It's a circular argument when you are arguing that it CAN and I am arguing that it HASN'T. No kidding, it CAN. But why hasn't it? BECAUSE IT IS AN UNWRITTEN RULE THAT YOU DON'T.

 

[predatorkj]

Just a thought...
Maybe you should take your own advice? The following has absolutely nothing to do with baseball, or the situation. RL24's Ben Davis example is a very similar situation. Sure it is different, but it's not like it has nothing to do with the situation. It does. It's attempting to break up a perfect game very late in the ball game by bunting.

I'm sorry you can't get your head around what the OP asked. It is called context, and some people can comprehend, and others can't. I know focusing can be hard, but within the context of what the OP asked, you are wrong. They can't compare, because the question is inside a box. It is what it is, not what you skate around it as.

Yes but then what have you said can compare.We are now supposedly arguing about something that's never happened before.And you are telling all of us that its some unwritten rule.Care to share with all of us ADD folks who can't focus how you happen to know the unwritten rules of baseball?

 

[BunchOBull]

If a guy is good enough to put the wood on the ball, keep it fair, and get on base...that's as good as any base hit where I come from. If there is a man on base and a guy can put it down, advance the runner, and get on base...even better. That's what you're supposed to do, put runners in scoring position.

 

[All The Hype]

Is it wrong to try to get on base to help your team win? The situation for the other team doesn't matter.

 

[predatorkj]

Dude...you are arguing points you can't prove.When exactly has anyone done this?Never according to you?I am not sure you have checked this but I will play along and assume you are right.Now...can you prove that it would be frowned upon?If its never happened and therefore we have no proof that it would be frowned upon, because by your own account it has never happened, then how can you say its an unwritten rule?I think you are taking what everyone says and trying to twist it to suit your argument.I mean...at least take what we are saying into context.I think this is more of an honorable type thing with you and if you were playing and this is how you chose to do it then that's cool.If it means that much to you, you should write to SI and have them do a poll of all of the MLB players and see what they say.It be interesting to read.

In any case you cannot ever prove its wrong or that it is against any unwritten rule or that it would be frowned upon.You try to win the games with whatever you can as long as its not against the rules.

I know it has not happened, and that is all I'm saying. I'm simply using facts and history to prove that it MOST LIKELY (better?) will never happen. It's a circular argument when you are arguing that it CAN and I am arguing that it HASN'T. No kidding, it CAN. But why hasn't it? BECAUSE IT IS AN UNWRITTEN RULE THAT YOU DON'T.

I seriously doubt these owners are paying these managers and players the money that they do all because they want them to follow unwritten rules.They want wins because wins put asses in the seats.Getting no hit does not.Can we agree on that?

If we can then I have to assume you logically would understand that the team always has to try to win at whatever cost as long as its within the rules.If they don't then they are not doing their jobs.So...whatever history the other team is making should never mean anything to the team who its happening to.

 

[sportscardtheory]

No one is arguing that it isn't a player's RIGHT to do so. I am arguing that out of respect to the game and the opposing pitcher, it HASN'T and will NOT ever happen. Talk to me when it does... I'm tired of arguing with people that use hypotheticals to make their points seem valid when history (reality) proves them wrong.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I seriously doubt these owners are paying these managers and players the money that they do all because they want them to follow unwritten rules.They want wins because wins put asses in the seats.Getting no hit does not.Can we agree on that?

If we can then I have to assume you logically would understand that the team always has to try to win at whatever cost as long as its within the rules.If they don't then they are not doing their jobs.So...whatever history the other team is making should never mean anything to the team who its happening to.

I disagree WHOLEHEARTEDLY. The game of baseball is bigger than that hypothetical bunt you are pimping, and every owner/manager knows this. It has not happened, it will not happen, and it shouldn't happen. Talk to me when it does, I'm tired of hypotheticals.

 

[gt2590]

When Davis did that, Schilling went nuts. Davis is from our area, and Schilling's Philly house is about 1/2 hour from Davis's hometown.

When somebody asked Schilling about this at a public signing later that year (late Nov. I think), he went nuts and joked he might try and find him. I think "Red Light" Schilling is a cool dude, but I'm not sure he was joking. People that were there said he still looked pissed off.

 

[trademhigh]

No one is arguing that it isn't a player's RIGHT to do so. I am arguing that out of respect to the game and the opposing pitcher, it HASN'T and will NOT ever happen. Talk to me when it does... I'm tired of arguing with people that use hypotheticals to make their points seem valid when history (reality) proves them wrong.

Just because it hasn't happened in 20 ABs or so, doesn't mean it will never happen. As stated before, it is way too small of a sample to create an "unwritten rule" about it.

 

[predatorkj]

No one is arguing that it isn't a player's RIGHT to do so. I am arguing that out of respect to the game and the opposing pitcher, it HASN'T and will NOT ever happen. Talk to me when it does... I'm tired of arguing with people that use hypotheticals to make their points seem valid when history (reality) proves them wrong.

Just because it hasn't happened in 20 ABs or so, doesn't mean it will never happen. As stated before, it is way too small of a sample to create an "unwritten rule" about it.

My favorite part is he says he doesn't want to argue hypotheticals but yet he is clinging to one for his argument.Like I said...prove to me there is an unwritten rule on this.Hell...go out and ask players at the ball park.I am sure they would take the time to answer a simple and short question.I am also sure they get paid to play every inning.And if getting a bunt is the only way for them to get on base in a tough situation I would be willing to bet they'd all say the same thing...To hell with the no hitter.Your team always comes before another team.