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PeteD
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I saw Morris pitch. Every team he pitched on became a winner. I think that just because he pissed off some media ppl, they held it against him. If he had pitched in a pitcher friendly park i'd bet he'd have 50+ more wins and lower overall ERA, but he didn't.
Rick Reuschel, really? I'm comparing him against other people already in the Hall, you're comparing him to Rick Reuschel. However you might feel about them, he compares favorably to at least a few other people already elected, at least on certain stats you care about. I mean, you can say Babe Ruth compares unfavorably to other non-HOFers in certain stats, if that's the way you argue a point.
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jimfalbo21
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I used Reuschel to simply show that statistically, they were similar pitchers, and that it is not unreasonable to say that Reuschel was better or visa versa. I just base these comparisons on things that are quantifiable.
What are these stats you speak of? Morris' wins? It seems that every argument for Morris' enshrinement is subjective, based on the "eye test" and "memories," I also admit to overvaluing player who I have watched extensively, however when I re-examine them based on quantifiable data, I am more than willing to change my opinion based on reality rather than memory.
RustyGreerFan
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Does the quantifiable data say anything about Morris' postseason accomplishments, or is that also subjective?
Really, though, if I'm traveling to the HOF, spending time there, and buying crap from the gift shop, I don't want a computer to dictate who should be there. I want my memories to count for something - that's why I'm there. But since I'm never going there, I'm okay with Morris not making it :mrgreen:
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jimfalbo21
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I don't think a computer should dictate who does or does not go into Cooperstown, I think a candidate's playing record should dictate, and that's the only point I'm trying to make.
Jack Morris' aggregate career post season record is slightly better than his career average, however no one can deny he was a stud in the 1984 post season and the 1991 WS.
7-4 in 13 starts (8 QS) yes he was hit hard several times in post season play
92.1 IN 64 K's
1.245 WHIP
3.80 ERA
aarne13
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I don't think Morris gets in. Sure he had some great post season stats but on his last WS run he was horrible (1992). I would take Dave Stieb over Morris (not biased at all). Stieb had more AS appearances and a much better WAR (if you like to use that).
bmp1971
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Jack Morris was a bad ass with a a mean splitter, just like Mike Scott in the mid-to-late 80's. Scott was brilliant because of that one pitch, though some accused him of scuffing I recall, during some playoff series. Apparently the catcher was grinding the ball on his shin guard before throwing it to Scott-- nicely done, IMO. Anyway, I don't think Morris was accused of scuffing, but either way, that pitch alone was the reason Morris and Scott were so effective when they were. Yeah, Morris was a bulldog and a gamer and a big-game stud, but it all came down to that filthy splitter that literally fell off the table about two feet before HP.
If I had a big game on the line, I would have taken Morris over anyone else in the 80's, no doubt about it. Some dudes know how to dial in when it matters, and some don't: Morris did. That's why he belongs in the HOF. His stats are strong, but the fact he's a big-money pitcher is what gives him and guys like him the nod, IMO. Bottom line: the guy was a winner and belongs in the HOF.
If I had a big game on the line, I would have taken Morris over anyone else in the 80's, no doubt about it. Some dudes know how to dial in when it matters, and some don't: Morris did. That's why he belongs in the HOF. His stats are strong, but the fact he's a big-money pitcher is what gives him and guys like him the nod, IMO. Bottom line: the guy was a winner and belongs in the HOF.
Huffamaniac
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The term “Ace” is thrown around far too loosely these days, but Jack Morris was the true definition of one. I grew up watching him and remember looking forward to his every start and when he did face my home town team of the Boston Red Sox I thought for sure Boston was not going to win that game. He was a true competitor and a winner.
He was the best pitcher in the decade of the 80’s.
by the way If he were to be elected he would be the only HOF pitcher to never have faced and thus struck out a fellow pitcher in a regular season game
He was the best pitcher in the decade of the 80’s.
by the way If he were to be elected he would be the only HOF pitcher to never have faced and thus struck out a fellow pitcher in a regular season game
bmp1971
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his mustache alone should get him in
it may be overly simplistic but if you have to debate if a guy should get in or not, he shouldnt get in.
HOF'ers should basically be no-brainers.
HOF'ers should basically be no-brainers.
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jimfalbo21
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that might be the best argument for his election that I've heard
bmp1971
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Did you see him pitch in the 80's? He and Fingers had the intimidation thing going with the 'staches. Brian Wilson has evolved their idea into the Fear-the-Beard phenomenon. Wilson could get into the HOF on the beard alone, if Morris sets a precedent.
I like Jack Morris and he could be on my team any day, however, when you have a higher career ERA than any other pitcher in the Hall, it's going to be tough to get in.
bmp1971
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This is a nice snapshot of the top 20 guys in the 80's to compare: The 20 Best Starting Pitchers of the '80s | Bleacher Report
