Jarrod Parker vs Jairo Heredia

[Adam G]

Hey guys, I'm bored, so here's a match-up to discuss.

Jarrod Parker vs Jairo Heredia

You can make an argument in either pure talent, or in terms of investment value.

 

[Jays_Cards]

Not much of a comparison in my eyes. Parker blows Heredia away. I might get bashed for saying this, but Porcello is a much better comp for Parker than Heredia...

 

[ryanhoward06]

I'm a big fan of Heredia myself, but Parker is better. I don't see where Heredia is better in any area then Parker.

For investments I will/did buy Heredia. I'm not a big fan of the Thread cards so I will buy a lot more if he has a chrome this year.

 

[Adam G]

Not much of a comparison in my eyes. Parker blows Heredia away. I might get bashed for saying this, but Porcello is a much better comp for Parker than Heredia...

Parker and Heredia's A ball stats actually match up pretty well
Parker --> 23.3 K%, 6.6 BB%, 44 GB%
Heredia --> 21 K%, 9.5 BB%, 57 GB%

However, Parker is a year older, so I actually think I like Heredia more. Call me crazy...

 

[Jays_Cards]

[quote="Jays_Cards":3sajk5rl]Not much of a comparison in my eyes. Parker blows Heredia away. I might get bashed for saying this, but Porcello is a much better comp for Parker than Heredia...

Parker and Heredia's A ball stats actually match up pretty well
Parker --> 23.3 K%, 6.6 BB%, 44 GB%
Heredia --> 21 K%, 9.5 BB%, 57 GB%

However, Parker is a year older, so I actually think I like Heredia more. Call me crazy...[/quote:3sajk5rl]

Im not a huge A ball stats guy. Parker has 4 pitches that can be average to above average (2 plus plus). He is projected to be a #1 or #2 at the worst with a very repeatable, mechanically sound delivery. He is also a great athlete and has been said to be EXTREMELY polished for as young as he is. Heredia is a guy who throws hard and can overmatch younger comp without great control. As he moves up against more experienced and better hitters, the lack of control and lack of secondary stuff will kill him. In my eyes, he is the prototypical young, Dominican pitcher who knows how to throw, but doesnt know how to pitch.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

[quote="Adam G":32cb27mx][quote="Jays_Cards":32cb27mx]Not much of a comparison in my eyes. Parker blows Heredia away. I might get bashed for saying this, but Porcello is a much better comp for Parker than Heredia...

Parker and Heredia's A ball stats actually match up pretty well
Parker --> 23.3 K%, 6.6 BB%, 44 GB%
Heredia --> 21 K%, 9.5 BB%, 57 GB%

However, Parker is a year older, so I actually think I like Heredia more. Call me crazy...[/quote:32cb27mx]

Im not a huge A ball stats guy. Parker has 4 pitches that can be average to above average (2 plus plus). He is projected to be a #1 or #2 at the worst with a very repeatable, mechanically sound delivery. He is also a great athlete and has been said to be EXTREMELY polished for as young as he is. Heredia is a guy who throws hard and can overmatch younger comp without great control. As he moves up against more experienced and better hitters, the lack of control and lack of secondary stuff will kill him. In my eyes, he is the prototypical young, Dominican pitcher who knows how to throw, but doesnt know how to pitch.[/quote:32cb27mx]

You also have to favor the guy that was a first round pick. Means something.

 

[Brett Keith]

Heredia is a guy who throws hard and can overmatch younger comp without great control. As he moves up against more experienced and better hitters, the lack of control and lack of secondary stuff will kill him. In my eyes, he is the prototypical young, Dominican pitcher who knows how to throw, but doesnt know how to pitch.

BA says Heredia's FB usually sits in the high 80's with some sink and armside run, but is below average for velo and command. They say his secondary stuff and feel is what he gets by on, especially his breaking ball. He's made advancements with a change.

Also, I don't think this is a good comp. Parker is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball, Heredia is a guy with some projection left, but will probably at best be a mid-rotation guy.

 

[Jays_Cards]

[quote="Jays_Cards":1ccnyeha]Heredia is a guy who throws hard and can overmatch younger comp without great control. As he moves up against more experienced and better hitters, the lack of control and lack of secondary stuff will kill him. In my eyes, he is the prototypical young, Dominican pitcher who knows how to throw, but doesnt know how to pitch.

BA says Heredia's FB usually sits in the high 80's with some sink and armside run, but is below average for velo and command. They say his secondary stuff and feel is what he gets by on, especially his breaking ball. He's made advancements with a change.

Also, I don't think this is a good comp. Parker is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball, Heredia is a guy with some projection left, but will probably at best be a mid-rotation guy.[/quote:1ccnyeha]

The scouting report that I read on Heredia raved about a buckling, hard curve without anything else above average. I should have clarified, because the way my first post reads does seem like I am talking about a FB, but I guess we have differing scouting reports...

 

[Brett Keith]

[quote="Brett Keith":gqyucq9r][quote="Jays_Cards":gqyucq9r]Heredia is a guy who throws hard and can overmatch younger comp without great control. As he moves up against more experienced and better hitters, the lack of control and lack of secondary stuff will kill him. In my eyes, he is the prototypical young, Dominican pitcher who knows how to throw, but doesnt know how to pitch.

BA says Heredia's FB usually sits in the high 80's with some sink and armside run, but is below average for velo and command. They say his secondary stuff and feel is what he gets by on, especially his breaking ball. He's made advancements with a change.

Also, I don't think this is a good comp. Parker is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball, Heredia is a guy with some projection left, but will probably at best be a mid-rotation guy.[/quote:gqyucq9r]

The scouting report that I read on Heredia raved about a buckling, hard curve without anything else above average. I should have clarified, because the way my first post reads does seem like I am talking about a FB, but I guess we have differing scouting reports...[/quote:gqyucq9r]

Well the way you're now explaining it, the reports sound pretty similar, other than maybe the feel for pitching. One above average pitch(a breaking ball), average or less on his other pitches, command issues.

 

[darocker80]

[quote="Adam G":1piabn52][quote="Jays_Cards":1piabn52]Not much of a comparison in my eyes. Parker blows Heredia away. I might get bashed for saying this, but Porcello is a much better comp for Parker than Heredia...

Parker and Heredia's A ball stats actually match up pretty well
Parker --> 23.3 K%, 6.6 BB%, 44 GB%
Heredia --> 21 K%, 9.5 BB%, 57 GB%

However, Parker is a year older, so I actually think I like Heredia more. Call me crazy...

Im not a huge A ball stats guy. Parker has 4 pitches that can be average to above average (2 plus plus). He is projected to be a #1 or #2 at the worst with a very repeatable, mechanically sound delivery. He is also a great athlete and has been said to be EXTREMELY polished for as young as he is. Heredia is a guy who throws hard and can overmatch younger comp without great control. As he moves up against more experienced and better hitters, the lack of control and lack of secondary stuff will kill him. In my eyes, he is the prototypical young, Dominican pitcher who knows how to throw, but doesnt know how to pitch.[/quote:1piabn52]

You also have to favor the guy that was a first round pick. Means something.[/quote:1piabn52]
i smell bias of a guy with a small amount of parker refractors...

 

[Adam G]

Thanks for the input guys. I agree that Parker is a very capable prospect with great stuff, but I think Heredia is a lot better than most scouts/fans give him credit for. Not trying to take anything from Parker here, just saying the numbers suggest a bit more than what we've been hearing about JH.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

[quote="Adam G":2fg2ch8b][quote="Jays_Cards":2fg2ch8b]Not much of a comparison in my eyes. Parker blows Heredia away. I might get bashed for saying this, but Porcello is a much better comp for Parker than Heredia...

Parker and Heredia's A ball stats actually match up pretty well
Parker --> 23.3 K%, 6.6 BB%, 44 GB%
Heredia --> 21 K%, 9.5 BB%, 57 GB%

However, Parker is a year older, so I actually think I like Heredia more. Call me crazy...

Im not a huge A ball stats guy. Parker has 4 pitches that can be average to above average (2 plus plus). He is projected to be a #1 or #2 at the worst with a very repeatable, mechanically sound delivery. He is also a great athlete and has been said to be EXTREMELY polished for as young as he is. Heredia is a guy who throws hard and can overmatch younger comp without great control. As he moves up against more experienced and better hitters, the lack of control and lack of secondary stuff will kill him. In my eyes, he is the prototypical young, Dominican pitcher who knows how to throw, but doesnt know how to pitch.

You also have to favor the guy that was a first round pick. Means something.[/quote:2fg2ch8b]
i smell bias of a guy with a small amount of parker refractors...[/quote:2fg2ch8b]

It isn't even bias. This isn't a valid comparison. It's a top 30 prospect vs a top 150 prospect.

 

[Adam G]

[quote="Adam G":1rhkneuw][quote="Jays_Cards":1rhkneuw]Not much of a comparison in my eyes. Parker blows Heredia away. I might get bashed for saying this, but Porcello is a much better comp for Parker than Heredia...

Parker and Heredia's A ball stats actually match up pretty well
Parker --> 23.3 K%, 6.6 BB%, 44 GB%
Heredia --> 21 K%, 9.5 BB%, 57 GB%

However, Parker is a year older, so I actually think I like Heredia more. Call me crazy...

Im not a huge A ball stats guy. Parker has 4 pitches that can be average to above average (2 plus plus). He is projected to be a #1 or #2 at the worst with a very repeatable, mechanically sound delivery. He is also a great athlete and has been said to be EXTREMELY polished for as young as he is. Heredia is a guy who throws hard and can overmatch younger comp without great control. As he moves up against more experienced and better hitters, the lack of control and lack of secondary stuff will kill him. In my eyes, he is the prototypical young, Dominican pitcher who knows how to throw, but doesnt know how to pitch.

You also have to favor the guy that was a first round pick. Means something.

i smell bias of a guy with a small amount of parker refractors...[/quote:1rhkneuw]

It isn't even bias. This isn't a valid comparison. It's a top 30 prospect vs a top 150 prospect.[/quote:1rhkneuw]

In my opinion, I don't really care where a prospect is ranked. Every year we see top 50, top 25, and top 10 guys suddenly fall off the radar, while out of no where a player that was getting zero cred all of a sudden is in the top 10 or dominating in the majors (Chris Davis in '08, Albert Pujols, Hanley Ramirez, David Ortiz, Ryan Braun, etc.). So, saying that a comparison isn't valid simply because a handful of people who are consistently wrong haven't deemed it so is a pretty poor justification for dismissing it all together.

 

[bballcardkid]

Heredia is the next Pedro Martinez



according to the Yankees GCL manager

and I have read that his FB sits more along the 91-93 range, topping out a little higher.