Jay Cutler and his "toughness"

[rymflaherty]

At this point I think some of the tweets I've seen from players and criticism is a bit too much......I have to think Cutler, the team Doctors and Coaches knew the situation better than anyone else and they concluded it wasn't in his or the teams best interests to continue.......I don't see what's wrong with that.

Did want to speak on playing through a potential tear though - if it turns out to be an ACL or a ligament like that - because I tore my ACL a few years back. Did it in a basketball game - was in tremendous pain, but actually got up on my own "walked it off" and ended up driving myself to the hospital. That's why I never fall prey to the "he walked off the field he's fine" argument - with a tear like that you can stand, you can put some pressure on it, you can even walk on it and move forward....it's only when you put pressure or try to move laterally that you will literally collapse.

So I'm now trying to imagine playing through such an injury - I think it could possibly be done. If he had a heavy duty brace that restricted lateral movement it would help. You also have to factor in that the injury presumably just happened......so there would potentially be a lot more pain than if he tried to play through it the next week with a brace or something.

Didn't they bring him in a series hurt and things weren't going well.....which goes back to my initial point.....seems the team concluded it was better to go with someone else because of the injury...and really a healthy Cutler did basically nothing against the Packers defense the past 6 quarters they've played, s can you blame them for thinking a 50% Cutler should be on the bench?

 

[reljac]

Based on the report I'm reading from nfl.com, it's an MCL tear. However the severity is not known.

Cutler told reporters after the game that the injury happened on the Bears' final possession of the second quarter before he threw an interception. He played the rest of the half and tried to go back in the third, but he aggravated it.

"We gave it a go that first series, but I couldn't really plant and throw, so they kind of pulled me," Cutler said Sunday.

 

[kobe24/8]

If it as a MCL tear, then I think everybody should get off his back. I have torn ALL 3 major ligaments, and the MCL is very painful, and your mobilty goes out the window, even though Cutler really isn't mobile, IMO. The fact that he tried to go in that 1st series in the 3rd quarter, there shouldn't be any criticism of him then. Like I mentioned earlier, the fact that he isn't well-liked is where alot of this comes from.

The whole "burning" of his jsy, just shows how moronic fans are. I guess they would really get piss** if he "takes his talents to south beach", via trade?,lol...

Seriously, I think it's time we realized he really was hurt, and really tried to give it a go. For the record, that 3rd QB didnt play that bad for a kid, who got "throw in the fire", ::facepalm::

 

[LazerShow15]

I have read this post and what all these so called DOCTORS are saying. He should have played, plain and simple. If he can pace back and forth, walk back and forth, and put weight on it on the sideline, then he should have played. He was the better option and should have put his heart on the line for this game.

Like my favorite joke said yesterday.

The Bears have a new nickname. The Chicago Tampons. Good for only one period and do not have a second string.

 

[justinmandawg]

I have read this post and what all these so called DOCTORS are saying. He should have played, plain and simple. If he can pace back and forth, walk back and forth, and put weight on it on the sideline, then he should have played. He was the better option and should have put his heart on the line for this game.

Like my favorite joke said yesterday.

The Bears have a new nickname. The Chicago Tampons. Good for only one period and do not have a second string.

Brilliant~

 

[wheeler281]

I have read this post and what all these so called DOCTORS are saying. He should have played, plain and simple. If he can pace back and forth, walk back and forth, and put weight on it on the sideline, then he should have played. He was the better option and should have put his heart on the line for this game.

Like my favorite joke said yesterday.

The Bears have a new nickname. The Chicago Tampons. Good for only one period and do not have a second string.

What you stated above has nothing to do with lateral movement in the pocket in the game of football. Let me guess "Hut hut" ( pace back and forth and a leisurly pace hit knox on a post route as he walks slowly into his 5 step drop

 

[pigskincardboard]

I have read this post and what all these so called DOCTORS are saying. He should have played, plain and simple. If he can pace back and forth, walk back and forth, and put weight on it on the sideline, then he should have played. He was the better option and should have put his heart on the line for this game.

Like my favorite joke said yesterday.

The Bears have a new nickname. The Chicago Tampons. Good for only one period and do not have a second string.

I was asleep at the wheel.

I didn't realize he tried to play coming out of half-time. I don't think doctors can let him play if he'll do more physical damage to himself. They can let him play through pain, but not if he's legitimately injured.

If I were the owner of the Bears and had paid this guy a signing bonus, I'd be furious with any doctor that allowed my investment to possibly end his career.

This definitely seems like Cutler was cleared to play through the pain, but decided against it. Mind you, if you're not comfortable, you're more liable to further hurt yourself.

 

[reljac]

Giving what happened in the second half and the sidelines, it seems like it will be a Grade 1 or 2, but we should find
out later today. A Grade 3 tear generally requires immobilization and crutches for the first 7-10 days following injury.

•Grade I MCL Tear
This is an incomplete tear of the MCL. The tendon is still in continuity, and the symptoms are usually minimal. Patients usually complain of pain with pressure on the MCL, and may be able to return to their sport very quickly. Most athletes miss 1-2 weeks of play.

•Grade II MCL Tear
Grade II injuries are also considered incomplete tears of the MCL. These patients may complain of instability when attempting to cut or pivot. The pain and swelling is more significant, and usually a period of 3-4 weeks of rest is necessary.

•Grade III MCL Tear
A grade III injury is a complete tear of the MCL. Patients have significant pain and swelling, and often have difficulty bending the knee. Instability, or giving out, is a common finding with grade III MCL tears. A knee brace or a knee immobilizer is usually needed for comfort, and healing may take 6 weeks or longer.


Is surgery ever needed for a MCL tear?
Some surgeons describe a so-called grade IV injury to the medial collateral ligament. This is also called a medial column injury, and involves injury to more ligaments than just the MCL. Whether or not to repair the MCL, even in these settings, is controversial. Some doctors prefer to allow all MCL injuries to heal without surgery, and some prefer to repair these most significant injuries to the MCL. No significant difference has been demonstrated in these patients.

 

[mredsox89]

Even if the MRI comes back without a tear, he shouldn't be crucified for not getting back on the field. If he wasn't confident in his knee, he would not have been able to protect himself. The minute you start focusing on protecting something specific is the minute you lose focus on something else and end up hurting the team more or possible hurting yourself more. If you start trying to not put pressure on that knee, you are likely to hurt something else.

Brett Favre was a guy who could never be criticized for his toughness, but it has ended with him have multiple surgeries on multiple things, and who know how many long term injuries.

 

[lisu]

Anyone that plays with torn ligaments in their knees (speculation) is a moron. A friend of mine that played in the league nearly lost his leg by doing so. Now he can barely walk.

People don't always realize how important your knees are too. If your knee is hurt (depending on which one), you are not able to throw and plant. Even if you just tear your meniscus, you can also not be able to plant your leg when you're throwing. It's not worth Cutler's career to try to go when you know that the other team is going to keep hitting him now that they knew he was hurt.

 

[Seiya]

To had this to say about Cutler.
[youtube:27gxf8ll]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqU_GLC9560[/youtube:27gxf8ll]

 

[phillyfan0417]

I love when people on message boards sit back and talk about how tough athletes are while they eat their nachos and drink beer. Jay Cutler went out and tried to play but I dont think you needed to be a doctor to see how he was not moving very well and could not put weight on that leg. If he did stay in the game the talk today would be about how he should have taken himself out of the game if he was hurt.


Bears lost because their offensive game plan stunk and they played the first half not to lose on offense.

 

[LazerShow15]

I have read this post and what all these so called DOCTORS are saying. He should have played, plain and simple. If he can pace back and forth, walk back and forth, and put weight on it on the sideline, then he should have played. He was the better option and should have put his heart on the line for this game.

Like my favorite joke said yesterday.

The Bears have a new nickname. The Chicago Tampons. Good for only one period and do not have a second string.

What you stated above has nothing to do with lateral movement in the pocket in the game of football. Let me guess "Hut hut" ( pace back and forth and a leisurly pace hit knox on a post route as he walks slowly into his 5 step drop

It was a sarcastic post, basically stating what others stated all last night. Highly ridiculous even if you don't like Cutler and his body language. And Jay does another should twitch.

 

[RNCoyote]

 

[HEAVYHITTER]

/thread.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I've been a Bears fan since birth and it was actually Urlacher's interception run that bothered me more than Cutler coming out of the game.

If Mike Singletary or Dick Butkus had the opposing quarterback standing between them and the end zone...neither one would have thought about scoring. Rodgers was clearly going for the tackle and therefore Urlacher clearly wasn't going to score so logic screams...grip the ball and just hammer Rodgers with a free hit.

Call it brutal, but there is no way that Aaron Rodgers should have made that tackle without a serious limp afterward, if he got up at all. It's that "killer" instinct that separates the legendary linebackers and Brian Urlacher.

 

[wheeler281]

I have read this post and what all these so called DOCTORS are saying. He should have played, plain and simple. If he can pace back and forth, walk back and forth, and put weight on it on the sideline, then he should have played. He was the better option and should have put his heart on the line for this game.

Like my favorite joke said yesterday.

The Bears have a new nickname. The Chicago Tampons. Good for only one period and do not have a second string.

What you stated above has nothing to do with lateral movement in the pocket in the game of football. Let me guess "Hut hut" ( pace back and forth and a leisurly pace hit knox on a post route as he walks slowly into his 5 step drop

It was a sarcastic post, basically stating what others stated all last night. Highly ridiculous even if you don't like Cutler and his body language. And Jay does another should twitch.

my bad brother I missed it lol ::facepalm:: Boy people need to eat some crow now

 

[seahawks4ever]

no one should play with a torn knee ligament, ever, end of story.

I don't care if people have done it before. It should never be attempted.

you nailed it, as well as many others. If you are in the game and have to leave the game, NO ONE wants to stay out of the game. I screwed up my knee playing semi-pro football and, like a dumbbutt, only sat out 2 weeks. I pressured myself into getting back out there because honestly, there was no one else on the team that could play left tackle at all. I watched my team, who was undefeated, struggle in both games mainly due to pressure from the blind side. I went out after 2 weeks and played. I was never 100% throughout the rest of the year (although still better than the next guy on the depth chart), my knee hurt worse each game after and by the time our season ended in the national semi-finals, after the game I couldn't get my pants off. I never healed properly and have never felt like I did before it happened. My football playing days were cut short because I, like an idiot, played through it.

Critique him all you want, but he will have many more years of football ahead of him.

 

[RNCoyote]

I just heard Tim Duncan is back in the game after hurting his knee in the 2nd quarter. That makes him tough than Cutler

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I just heard Tim Duncan is back in the game after hurting his knee in the 2nd quarter. That makes him tough than Cutler

Yeah, because when I think of "tough" athletes, basketball players are the first on the list.

I've never seen a sport so riddled with whiners, floppers and wusses like basketball. Good grief, it's a joke watching these clowns wince in pain as though they dislocated their knee cap, only to be fine and running unaffected seconds later.

That said, the day a basketball player even walks on his own strength with a strained MCL (no tear, nothing) will be the first day it ever happened.