WizardofOz1982
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I've been having an interesting debate on Facebook about which was better.
Anyone have any thoughts?
Anyone have any thoughts?
This is not even close to true. Ozzie's career wRC+ was 90, 10% below league average. There are several guys right at 90 with him then 4 below him.Ozzie by far is the worst offensive player in the Hall of Fame. ( non-pitcher ) That in of itself is offensive.
Couple caveats: I'm not ranking Banks at SS. He's a great player but he played less than half his career at SS. I'm not ranking Alex Rodriguez either for the same reason as well as PEDs. If I threw out these caveats then Rodriguez would be 1st (5.59 WAR/600) and Banks 5th or 6th (3.67 WAR/600) on my list.Two different eras and its tough to have the argument because the needs then are not the needs now.
SS Back then didn't need offense they were expected to shut down that side of the field and he's the best ever at it
He also wasn't too shabby at the plate despite people downgrading his offense.
He started slow but worked on his hitting enough to raise it 20 points over his career.
On my list of SS he's 4th overall while Jeter is 1st. I don't just take defensive metrics into consideration either
I consider all around value- defense, offense, clubhouse leadership, clutch hitting, etc etc etc
Would love to hear additional comments about why you consider him superior overall to Jeter
I can tell you seeing him in numerous post seasons he was a major letdown= that glove was marvelous but he killed me watching.
My personal list is below- of course this is "my" opinion you personally are always going to value him over others.
1) DEREK JETER
2) Ernie Banks
3) Cal Ripken
4) OZZIE SMITH