Jim Rice rips Jeter?

[Tomlinson21RB]

Thread within a thread: vwnut13 rips Jim Thome?

You really think Rice was referring to the quality of the players games? He broght up contracts, baggy uniforms and dreadlocks. Does Jeter belong in that discussion, no, but I guess that's how overrated he is. The incorrect way to respond to this supposed slight is to criticize one of the most well-liked and respected players in the game.

Thank you for posting this.

I dont see how vwnut13 attempting to tear down what Thome has done in his career is any different...Rice says something negative you dont like about a player => say something negative about player also mentioned. You should win awards with that thought process vwnut!

Agree or dont agree with what was said, but youve only made yourself look foolish with the rest of your post.

I wasn't saying that Thome, has had a crappy carrer or that he is a crappy player. In fact, his carrer has been much better then Rices.

I was just comparing Jeter to Thome to emphasize how stupid Rice is. He thinks 12 year olds should aim to be power hitters, almost all of which strike out a lot, and don't hit for great average.

Would you rather your son that wants to play in the MLB to try to and the ball out of the park every at bat, or would you rather they get on base, steal, and hit for average?

Again, he's not talking about the quality of the player but how they approach the game. He's still off on including Jeter, but you're just proving further that you can't read.

 

[Be8el0ve]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4417140

Rice blames controversy on misquote


Hall of Famer Jim Rice says he was "misquoted" last week when he reportedly referred to Derek Jeter among others in saying young players shouldn't use today's generation of major leaguers as role models.

"What do you expect?" he said, according to Yahoo Sports. "Who are the Red Sox playing? The Yankees. What else do you expect but some controversy involving the Red Sox and Yankees?"


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Anybody who reads that story knows I wasn't talking about Jeter or Rodriguez. Look at them. Do you see any baggy pants? Do you see any dreadlocks?

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-- Jim Rice

Rice made the original remarks Friday while speaking to players before the start of the Little League World Series.

"You see a Manny Ramirez, you see an A-Rod [Alex Rodriguez], you see Jeter ... Guys that I played against and with, these guys you're talking about cannot compare," Rice said in a complex cafeteria in South Williamsport, Pa.

The former Red Sox outfielder, inducted into Cooperstown last month along with Rickey Henderson, played 16 seasons in Boston, batting .298 with 382 homers before retiring in 1989.

Rice's talk to Little Leaguers was part of his first trip to Williamsport since playing minor league baseball in the central Pennsylvania city in 1971.

But Rice was "flabbergasted," according to Yahoo Sports, when asked about the widespread media coverage resulting from the speech.

"Anybody who reads that story knows I wasn't talking about Jeter or Rodriguez," he said. "Look at them. Do you see any baggy pants? Do you see any dreadlocks?


Olney: Rice Misquoted Or Misquided?
Jim Rice was clear on one thing: He thinks his generation was better, in a lot of ways. He also made it clear he may not be the wisest judge of the players of this era, or even his own, writes Buster Olney. Blog »


"When you think of the Yankees, who do you think of? Him [Jeter] and Rodriguez. Anyone who knows the game, anyone with any common sense knows which players give you leadership. And think about the way they play every day. Can you see either A-Rod or Jeter going into the manager's office and saying, 'Skip, I don't feel like playing today?' "

According to the report, Rice laughed hard when told his comments were taken by many as jealousy toward today's high-paid players.

"You ask anyone who was at that speech, they'll tell you that I talked about how we were the ones who helped those guys get the money they're getting today. I went through three strikes. I was once one of the highest paid guys," Rice said.

"I don't resent that. The money has gone up, and it's still going up."

Jeter didn't think it was funny, however.

"I didn't know I was like that," he said to reporters. "That would be a first for me."

Later on Friday night, after the Yankees routed the Red Sox 20-11, a game in which Jeter and Rodriguez combined for seven hits, three RBIs and five runs scored, A-Rod deferred to the Yankees' captain when told that Rice said he was misquoted.

"Tell him," Rodriguez said, referring to Jeter.

But Jeter wasn't biting.

"Misquoted?" Jeter said. "How was he misquoted?"

 

[KC37]

Don't get your ******* in a bunch. Most people know Jim Rice isn't all that intelligent.

This should have been the post to end the discussion. Period.

 

[predatorkj]

Don't get your ******* in a bunch. Most people know Jim Rice isn't all that intelligent.

This should have been the post to end the discussion. Period.

Yeah pretty much.

On another note...Jeter is one of the most consistent and solid players playing.Is he the greatest?No.Is he overhyped because of where he plays?Yes.The reason though is that he plays in the biggest city and franchise baseball caters to(I don't care about population but I mean fanbase)and he does it with style and class.The dude is basically a politician in pinstripes.He never says the wrong thing and he is about as clean as a whistle.Most players of any era could learn a thing or three from him.There are very few other players(in fact I am not sure there are any others) who played in such a huge market with such a huge fanbase for such a big time team and have been able to deal with all adversities like they were a cake walk.The fact he can do this and do it so well is what gets him all the hype.He's a great player but his ability to always shrug off controversy like its nothing is just unimaginable.That is why he is so well liked and coveted and looked up to by so many.He is the kind of athlete you wish there were more of.That is what gets him all the hype.He plays New York like a fiddle.

Some people just can't handle it.

 

[1st4040]

nobody knows how squeaky clean Jeter really is.. the image portrayed can easily mask what he's really like away from the game. and what if he gets named on the list the way Ortiz just did.. imagine the impact of something like that if it ever was to happen?

you see what THEY want you to see.. and being in the biggest media city in the country may give you more of a microscope to work under but what happens away from the game only the player himself knows.

 

[predatorkj]

nobody knows how squeaky clean Jeter really is.. the image portrayed can easily mask what he's really like away from the game. and what if he gets named on the list the way Ortiz just did.. imagine the impact of something like that if it ever was to happen?

you see what THEY want you to see.. and being in the biggest media city in the country may give you more of a microscope to work under but what happens away from the game only the player himself knows.

I agree except for one thing...New York.That is really all I need to say but I will explain very simply...

New York is the kind of place where you can be lifted like a God or hacked to death by the media.They would rip you apart if they could.I would imagine its almost like owning a tiger.Its nice and cute and cuddly but the only thing stopping it from tearing you to shreds is a very fine line.And trust me...that tiger would tear you to shreds if it could because just like the New York media...it loves to eat freshly slaughtered flesh!Jeter wakes up every morning mindful that even the faintest slip up could be front page news.You want that kind of crap hanging over your head?It takes a lot out of him I would imagine.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

nobody knows how squeaky clean Jeter really is.. the image portrayed can easily mask what he's really like away from the game. and what if he gets named on the list the way Ortiz just did.. imagine the impact of something like that if it ever was to happen?

you see what THEY want you to see.. and being in the biggest media city in the country may give you more of a microscope to work under but what happens away from the game only the player himself knows.

I disagree with you. You see what the media wants you to see. If there was something to dredge up on Derek Jeter, a multi-million dollar commodity with plenty to lose, you'd better believe someone out there would want to take him down. You won't see him on any list, because he hasn't done anything wrong. There isn't a single name that has come out on these lists or from the rumors that should be a stunning revelation to people. The guy is a genuine class act that respects the game, and he doesn't need to take the words of a far less deserving HOFer too seriously. Jim Rice should join Joe Morgan on Sunday Night Baseball to make it a full three-ring circus.

 

[Card Magnet]

What's wrong with dreadlocks? Just because he's too old for a fashion doesn't mean that it's a bad example for kids...Same with baggy uniforms. [ removed - Mod ]

 

[Crash Davis]

I don't get the whole "Jeter is overrated" thing. I really don't.

When it's all said and done, Derek Jeter will have more than 3,000 hits. He will have power numbers better than Alan Trammell, who was one of the better power-hitting shortstops of all-time. He will have a career batting average well over .300. He's made many, many All-Star teams. He's won at least four World Series titles. He's made the Playoffs all but one season, so far.

What else...hmmm...he's professional and classy. He speaks to the media. He keeps out of trouble. He is highly marketable and has a boatload of endorsements.

And how is he overrated?

Nobody ever accused him of being Cal Ripken Jr. or Ernie Banks.

He's quite frankly one of the top 10 shortstops ever to play the game.

Now, how is that overrated?

I think that many non-Yankees fans have issues with him, strictly out of jealousy. I mean, I distinctly remember a rabid Red Sox fan posting on these message boards, back when the Red Sox were high-up in the standings earlier this year, about how Nick Green was just fine as their shortstop.

Nick "Effin" Green?! Are you kidding me? You mean the same Nick Green who got cut by, of all teams - The Yankees?!

I bet that 95% of MLB teams would trade their shortstop for Jeter any day of the week.

 

[MaineMule]

I don't get the whole "Jeter is overrated" thing. I really don't.

When it's all said and done, Derek Jeter will have more than 3,000 hits. He will have power numbers better than Alan Trammell, who was one of the better power-hitting shortstops of all-time. He will have a career batting average well over .300. He's made many, many All-Star teams. He's won at least four World Series titles. He's made the Playoffs all but one season, so far.

What else...hmmm...he's professional and classy. He speaks to the media. He keeps out of trouble. He is highly marketable and has a boatload of endorsements.

And how is he overrated?

Nobody ever accused him of being Cal Ripken Jr. or Ernie Banks.

He's quite frankly one of the top 10 shortstops ever to play the game.

Now, how is that overrated?

I think that many non-Yankees fans have issues with him, strictly out of jealousy. I mean, I distinctly remember a rabid Red Sox fan posting on these message boards, back when the Red Sox were high-up in the standings earlier this year, about how Nick Green was just fine as their shortstop.

Nick "Effin" Green?! Are you kidding me? You mean the same Nick Green who got cut by, of all teams - The Yankees?!

I bet that 95% of MLB teams would trade their shortstop for Jeter any day of the week.

I agree with just about everything you say. Have not analyzed the top 10 SS's of all-time but he would certainly merit consideration. I am a lifelong die-hard Sox fan and I highly respect Jeter and his accomplishments. His catch against the Sox diving into the stands in 2004 is one the gutsiest plays I have ever seen.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I'll say this, anytime that a former player is throwing current players under the bus, he clearly has a reason...it's almost never a good reason and to me, it always projects some sort of hidden guilt. He can clearly take the innocent "I never saw a thing" route to performance enhancing drugs to better paint his era, but they were there throughout his playing career. It may work with 12-year-olds, but shouldn't work with anyone much older.

Oh yeah, I'm a natural pessimist.

 

[predatorkj]

I don't get the whole "Jeter is overrated" thing. I really don't.

When it's all said and done, Derek Jeter will have more than 3,000 hits. He will have power numbers better than Alan Trammell, who was one of the better power-hitting shortstops of all-time. He will have a career batting average well over .300. He's made many, many All-Star teams. He's won at least four World Series titles. He's made the Playoffs all but one season, so far.

What else...hmmm...he's professional and classy. He speaks to the media. He keeps out of trouble. He is highly marketable and has a boatload of endorsements.

And how is he overrated?

Nobody ever accused him of being Cal Ripken Jr. or Ernie Banks.

He's quite frankly one of the top 10 shortstops ever to play the game.

Now, how is that overrated?

I think that many non-Yankees fans have issues with him, strictly out of jealousy. I mean, I distinctly remember a rabid Red Sox fan posting on these message boards, back when the Red Sox were high-up in the standings earlier this year, about how Nick Green was just fine as their shortstop.

Nick "Effin" Green?! Are you kidding me? You mean the same Nick Green who got cut by, of all teams - The Yankees?!

I bet that 95% of MLB teams would trade their shortstop for Jeter any day of the week.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ::facepalm::

What I don't get is how people think any good player in New York doesn't get his fair share of hype and more.I mean...I have said it literally 10,000 times and have probably said it with a post 10,000 words long but I am not sure it can be any clearer.Put Jeter in any other place besides Boston or New York and he will not receive even close to the attention he does.Is that really all that hard to understand.Nobody is saying he isn't a great player.Anyone who does is a fool.But for god's sake...the man plays in the ultimate city in the world.New Freaking York.It doesn't get any bigger than that.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I don't get the whole "Jeter is overrated" thing. I really don't.

When it's all said and done, Derek Jeter will have more than 3,000 hits. He will have power numbers better than Alan Trammell, who was one of the better power-hitting shortstops of all-time. He will have a career batting average well over .300. He's made many, many All-Star teams. He's won at least four World Series titles. He's made the Playoffs all but one season, so far.

What else...hmmm...he's professional and classy. He speaks to the media. He keeps out of trouble. He is highly marketable and has a boatload of endorsements.

And how is he overrated?

Nobody ever accused him of being Cal Ripken Jr. or Ernie Banks.

He's quite frankly one of the top 10 shortstops ever to play the game.

Now, how is that overrated?

I think that many non-Yankees fans have issues with him, strictly out of jealousy. I mean, I distinctly remember a rabid Red Sox fan posting on these message boards, back when the Red Sox were high-up in the standings earlier this year, about how Nick Green was just fine as their shortstop.

Nick "Effin" Green?! Are you kidding me? You mean the same Nick Green who got cut by, of all teams - The Yankees?!

I bet that 95% of MLB teams would trade their shortstop for Jeter any day of the week.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ::facepalm::

What I don't get is how people think any good player in New York doesn't get his fair share of hype and more.I mean...I have said it literally 10,000 times and have probably said it with a post 10,000 words long but I am not sure it can be any clearer.Put Jeter in any other place besides Boston or New York and he will not receive even close to the attention he does.Is that really all that hard to understand.Nobody is saying he isn't a great player.Anyone who does is a fool.But for god's sake...the man plays in the ultimate city in the world.New Freaking York.It doesn't get any bigger than that.

We all know he plays for the Yankees, so what is the point of slamming it home that he does? He helped his team, the most popular team in history, win 4 World Series'. Of course he will be very popular, and rightfully so. You can't fault people for liking him.

 

[hive17]

Sadly, what's ahppened here is that there was a decent message coming from Rice. If you remove the comparisons and players named, and remove the fact that they came from Rice (who may or may not have had a personal reason); there is a fine point to be made:

-have respect for the game, your competition, your coaches, teammates and especially yourself. What's wrong with an old guy saying that? It might seem a little skewed because we can't seperate motive, but they are still good points.

Put it this way: if this were Paul Hornug calling out punk-ass receivers in the modern NFL, I think more people would agree (TO/Plaxico/etc. are role models?). Some times these old guys go off and their bluster belies a real point- people are different today and there is a lower level or respect in modern society.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Sadly, what's ahppened here is that there was a decent message coming from Rice. If you remove the comparisons and players named, and remove the fact that they came from Rice (who may or may not have had a personal reason); there is a fine point to be made:

-have respect for the game, your competition, your coaches, teammates and especially yourself. What's wrong with an old guy saying that? It might seem a little skewed because we can't seperate motive, but they are still good points.

Put it this way: if this were Paul Hornug calling out punk-ass receivers in the modern NFL, I think more people would agree (TO/Plaxico/etc. are role models?). Some times these old guys go off and their bluster belies a real point- people are different today and there is a lower level or respect in modern society.

That's why the old-timers don't normally go around trashing the current players who actually do things the right way. No one cares about those punk WRs you just mentioned, that's why it wouldn't be a big deal. But someone called out Jerry Rice, people would be upset and wonder why.

 

[rob167]

What I find humerous is that Rice is getting ridiculed for his OPINION, yet others here feel they can give their opinion as the holy grail. Lighten up and don't take everything so personal.

**DISCLAIMER**

I am not a Yankee fan/basher, nor a Red Sox fan/basher, just a baseball fan. I read his quotes and took them with a grain of salt. Does that mean I am better than others? NO! I just don't care enough to get all hyped up about someone's OPINION.

Feel free to bash, as I know the "holier than thou" members will take it upon themselves to do so anyway.

 

[lisu]

I can say that I was a little annoyed with Jim Rice for putting Jeter in the same sentence as Manny Ramirez. Jeter is one of those players that I cheer for regardless of what team he plays for.

 

[zach]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ::facepalm::

What I don't get is how people think any good player in New York doesn't get his fair share of hype and more.I mean...I have said it literally 10,000 times and have probably said it with a post 10,000 words long but I am not sure it can be any clearer.Put Jeter in any other place besides Boston or New York and he will not receive even close to the attention he does.Is that really all that hard to understand.Nobody is saying he isn't a great player.Anyone who does is a fool.But for god's sake...the man plays in the ultimate city in the world.New Freaking York.It doesn't get any bigger than that.

But you can say that about any player that plays on the Yankees or large market team (NYY, NYM, BOS, LAA, LAD).

Jeter - Overrated? Not really. Overhyped? Totally!

 

[sportscardtheory]

What I find humerous is that Rice is getting ridiculed for his OPINION, yet others here feel they can give their opinion as the holy grail. Lighten up and don't take everything so personal.

**DISCLAIMER**

I am not a Yankee fan/basher, nor a Red Sox fan/basher, just a baseball fan. I read his quotes and took them with a grain of salt. Does that mean I am better than others? NO! I just don't care enough to get all hyped up about someone's OPINION.

Feel free to bash, as I know the "holier than thou" members will take it upon themselves to do so anyway.

What does this even mean? You think everyone should be able to say whatever they want about anyone, even if it is completely uncalled for or false, and it is okay simply because it is their opinion? So if I call you a drug abuser, it's cool with you because it's my opinion?

 

[rob167]

yes, take things out of context, shows maturity. rice states that he does not think baggy uniforms or dreadlocks set a good example for today's youth. complete opinion. calling me a drug abuser is not an opinion, no matter how you want to look at it. it is childish name-calling.

What I find humerous is that Rice is getting ridiculed for his OPINION, yet others here feel they can give their opinion as the holy grail. Lighten up and don't take everything so personal.

**DISCLAIMER**

I am not a Yankee fan/basher, nor a Red Sox fan/basher, just a baseball fan. I read his quotes and took them with a grain of salt. Does that mean I am better than others? NO! I just don't care enough to get all hyped up about someone's OPINION.

Feel free to bash, as I know the "holier than thou" members will take it upon themselves to do so anyway.

What does this even mean? You think everyone should be able to say whatever they want about anyone, even if it is completely uncalled for or false, and it is okay simply because it is their opinion? So if I call you a drug abuser, it's cool with you because it's my opinion?