Joba to the bullpen? Anyone have ESPN insider access?

[braden]

[quote="jdacunha":36ia6ez3][quote="EricInCT":36ia6ez3]He is GONE in two weeks folks.

the Yankees are NOT going to get Halladay.

Why not?

Wells and Hallday for Joba, Melky and Jackson.

I think it is a great move for the Yanks they will win the world series with Sabathia, Halladay and Burnett as the top 3.


It is a gamble, but let's see the track record:

Pettite (bust)
Kevin Brown (bust)
Irabue (bust)
Kei Igawa (bust)
Pavano (bust)

They have to give us LESS due to the fact they MUST take the Wells contract......the Sox for example have to give up Jacoby Ellsbury AND Buchholz AND Jed Lowrie to beat this deal because they can not absorb the 20+ million a year (or whatever it is, 14?) that Wells is going to be paid this year and the $106 million on the rest of his contract.


They will have a starter in Joba, get rid of a HUGE contract and bring up Travis snider to platoon with Bautista.

yanks are SO used to ancient pitchers: Clemens, Mussina, Pettite, Brown, etc. That Hallday will be 40 by the time his contract ends.

dude...relax. you are going off on so many points that are wrong.

The Jays will not take Joba and Melky...Melky sucks and Joba's value is shot right now. A Jax they will take, but he is not the centerpiece to a deal. The deal would have to involve Hughes, Montero and A Jax/McAllister. The Yankees would have to feel the pain.

The Yankees will NOT continue to absorb contracts. I think we have seen what their ceiling is. They might start signing players this coming off season with Damon and Matsui coming off, but I don't see them taking on Wells and a Halladay contract.

You obviously hate the Yankees with your comments and think that they will sign or trade anyone. If they did not trade Hughes for Santana who is a lefty and 3 years younger...they will not trade for Halladay. Sure it would be nice but it is not happening.

if he moves he is going to NY....no one else is dumb enough to take the contract......They will not deal Montero and hughes....and Tor would need a starter in return. So either Joba or Hughes will go. I think they rather give up on Joba faster than Hughes. If they can keep Hughes and get Halladay I think they will do the deal. Ok: Joba, Melky, Ajax, Mcallister those 4 for Halladay.......they eat the 2009 contract and the Yanks take on the remainder.

I was just listening to the WFAN and they said it is a strong possibility.

I really think this is the year, after falling flat on their face the last few octobers, that they will pull out all the stops.....they know the team they have now can't win anything.

Are you talking about Halladay or Wells?[/quote:36ia6ez3]

The guy who has 40 rbis in 400 at bats.[/quote:36ia6ez3]

Just making sure. Yeah, he sucks this year (actually, only at home; on the road his OPS is like .900). But I don't see a package deal happening. If Halladay goes, I'm almost certain it'll be only him leaving town (unless a reliever goes with him).

 

[jdacunha]

He is GONE in two weeks folks.

the Yankees are NOT going to get Halladay.

Why not?

Wells and Hallday for Joba, Melky and Jackson.

I think it is a great move for the Yanks they will win the world series with Sabathia, Halladay and Burnett as the top 3.


It is a gamble, but let's see the track record:

Pettite (bust)
Kevin Brown (bust)
Irabue (bust)
Kei Igawa (bust)
Pavano (bust)

They have to give us LESS due to the fact they MUST take the Wells contract......the Sox for example have to give up Jacoby Ellsbury AND Buchholz AND Jed Lowrie to beat this deal because they can not absorb the 20+ million a year (or whatever it is, 14?) that Wells is going to be paid this year and the $106 million on the rest of his contract.


They will have a starter in Joba, get rid of a HUGE contract and bring up Travis snider to platoon with Bautista.

yanks are SO used to ancient pitchers: Clemens, Mussina, Pettite, Brown, etc. That Hallday will be 40 by the time his contract ends.

dude...relax. you are going off on so many points that are wrong.

The Jays will not take Joba and Melky...Melky sucks and Joba's value is shot right now. A Jax they will take, but he is not the centerpiece to a deal. The deal would have to involve Hughes, Montero and A Jax/McAllister. The Yankees would have to feel the pain.

The Yankees will NOT continue to absorb contracts. I think we have seen what their ceiling is. They might start signing players this coming off season with Damon and Matsui coming off, but I don't see them taking on Wells and a Halladay contract.

You obviously hate the Yankees with your comments and think that they will sign or trade anyone. If they did not trade Hughes for Santana who is a lefty and 3 years younger...they will not trade for Halladay. Sure it would be nice but it is not happening.

if he moves he is going to NY....no one else is dumb enough to take the contract......They will not deal Montero and hughes....and Tor would need a starter in return. So either Joba or Hughes will go. I think they rather give up on Joba faster than Hughes. If they can keep Hughes and get Halladay I think they will do the deal. Ok: Joba, Melky, Ajax, Mcallister those 4 for Halladay.......they eat the 2009 contract and the Yanks take on the remainder.

I was just listening to the WFAN and they said it is a strong possibility.

I really think this is the year, after falling flat on their face the last few octobers, that they will pull out all the stops.....they know the team they have now can't win anything.[/quote]

The Yankees can't win? They certainly need to make a move here and there to strengthen their team but, they can win. Joba and **** have screwed up thein't r season and they really haven't fixed it yet.

You can listen to WFAN all you want. They will talk about Halladay all day long because you will listen to that. They need something to talk about during ASG week.

HALLADAY WILL NOT BE A YANKEE.

 

[jdacunha]

He is GONE in two weeks folks.

the Yankees are NOT going to get Halladay.

Why not?

Wells and Hallday for Joba, Melky and Jackson.

I think it is a great move for the Yanks they will win the world series with Sabathia, Halladay and Burnett as the top 3.


It is a gamble, but let's see the track record:

Pettite (bust)
Kevin Brown (bust)
Irabue (bust)
Kei Igawa (bust)
Pavano (bust)
They have to give us LESS due to the fact they MUST take the Wells contract......the Sox for example have to give up Jacoby Ellsbury AND Buchholz AND Jed Lowrie to beat this deal because they can not absorb the 20+ million a year (or whatever it is, 14?) that Wells is going to be paid this year and the $106 million on the rest of his contract.


They will have a starter in Joba, get rid of a HUGE contract and bring up Travis snider to platoon with Bautista.

yanks are SO used to ancient pitchers: Clemens, Mussina, Pettite, Brown, etc. That Hallday will be 40 by the time his contract ends.

Pettitte has been average and done what he has asked. He is not a #1 starter.

If you want to go back to Irabu...I can go back to Wells, Clemens, Cone, El Duque, Mussina. Give me a break you Yankee hater.

If you consider 'average' as the last 10 innings pitched as giving up 12 earned runs, 12 hits and 7 walks.....I would hate to see what a miserable overrated picther looks like :?


The point is if the playoffs started today the Yankees would be scared to death of their rotation after Sabathia and Burnett.

You would really want to see Pettite pitch against the Angels? Say the Yanks lost the first and/or second game.......Say Sabathia starts them off 0-1 and gets roughed up, series is over if they go down 0-2.

For 200+ million you guys only thought of 2 good pitchers :lol: :lol: :lol: We have like an extra 4 just hanging around who could be stars: Buchholz, Bowden, Masterson, etc.

Yea...Smoltz and Dice K :? The other kids are KIDS. You don't know what they will amount to yet. Joba was a great starter last year and is struggling this year. I don't know why I bother responding to you.

Give me a break. you are being a Red Sox troll.

 

[jdacunha]

Didn't the Sox bullpen allow the O's to come back from 9 runs down? Didn't the Royals score 9 runs on your pen this wknd? Almost blew that lead too.

 

[yankeefan812]

Bottom line Halladay will NOT be a Yankee. I don't care what you listen to, he won't. Latest report from ESPN insider is that the Angels have moved into the lead for Halladay. The Yankees have Sabathia, Burnett, and Pettitte locked right now. Joba moves back to the pen, Hughes goes into the starting rotation. Sergio Mitre is also expected to be the new fifth starter. Maybe the Yankees go out and get someone who can be a solid 4th starter, but they won't pick up a guy like Halladay. I don't see a trade involving Hughes or Joba. Maybe we get rid of **** and a prospect for someone. Who knows...

 

[Wes]

Didn't the Sox bullpen allow the O's to come back from 9 runs down? Didn't the Royals score 9 runs on your pen this wknd? Almost blew that lead too.

Are you really going to criticize a pen that has been the best in baseball over the entire season? Not just TWO games. Also a pen that is part of a staff that has NOT BEEN BEATEN by your team all year?

 

[Pills]

Didn't the Sox bullpen allow the O's to come back from 9 runs down? Didn't the Royals score 9 runs on your pen this wknd? Almost blew that lead too.

Are you really going to criticize a pen that has been the best in baseball over the entire season? Not just TWO games. Also a pen that is part of a staff that has NOT BEEN BEATEN by your team all year?

I think he was just firing back at the ludicrous Pettitte comment.

Also, I could've sworn that the Jays wanted a SS. If the Yankees even sniff at this, Ramiro Pena will go.

Here's the thing - if the Jays try to package Wells in (which they most assuredly will), they'll end up getting less due to what the team has to pay him. There's not much doubt that Melky is likely on top of the trade list, and would go.

Here's the insider:
The latest reports out of Toronto say the Angels have moved into the lead for Roy Halladay's services.

Meanwhile, in St. Louis, Halladay is a bright enough star among fellow All-Stars that naturally, during the festivities, many players are asked if they'd go to bat to get Halladay into their own clubhouse.

White Sox starter Mark Buehrle dismisses the idea to some degree, but Cubs starter Ted Lilly couldn't help but gush a little about the thought of the Doc on Chicago's North Side.

That's all nice, but as ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney has reported, no deal appears close thus far. ESPN Insider's Keith Law stated yesterday that the Blue Jays are asking for three high level prospects, a massive sum for any player. We'll update more throughout the day.

Three high level prospects. Who can really afford that? Who would give it up?
I'm sure other offers would beat something like Melky/Pena/Joba, but how many of them would take on Wells' salary as well?

Also, remember that Doc has a full no trade clause. IMO, he doesn't go in the division unless the trade offer is too good AND Wells' salary goes, too. Likely not going to happen.

 

[GoBuffs1]

is ben sheets done for the year? i wasnt sure if he had surgery or not. if he didnt would he be a possibility for the yanks to sign? also i have to agree, the yanks have made sure not to deal their best prospects in years past i dont see it happening hear either

 

[EricInCT]

is ben sheets done for the year? i wasnt sure if he had surgery or not. if he didnt would he be a possibility for the yanks to sign? also i have to agree, the yanks have made sure not to deal their best prospects in years past i dont see it happening hear either

This sentence is classic. That holds true for any one of the past 5+ years :lol: :lol: Poor guy, so much potential but they will rename the DL to "BS" in honor of Ben Sheets.

 

[EricInCT]

Didn't the Sox bullpen allow the O's to come back from 9 runs down? Didn't the Royals score 9 runs on your pen this wknd? Almost blew that lead too.

Are you really going to criticize a pen that has been the best in baseball over the entire season? Not just TWO games. Also a pen that is part of a staff that has NOT BEEN BEATEN by your team all year?

I think he was just firing back at the ludicrous Pettitte comment.

Also, I could've sworn that the Jays wanted a SS. If the Yankees even sniff at this, Ramiro Pena will go.

Here's the thing - if the Jays try to package Wells in (which they most assuredly will), they'll end up getting less due to what the team has to pay him. There's not much doubt that Melky is likely on top of the trade list, and would go.

Here's the insider:
The latest reports out of Toronto say the Angels have moved into the lead for Roy Halladay's services.

Meanwhile, in St. Louis, Halladay is a bright enough star among fellow All-Stars that naturally, during the festivities, many players are asked if they'd go to bat to get Halladay into their own clubhouse.

White Sox starter Mark Buehrle dismisses the idea to some degree, but Cubs starter Ted Lilly couldn't help but gush a little about the thought of the Doc on Chicago's North Side.

That's all nice, but as ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney has reported, no deal appears close thus far. ESPN Insider's Keith Law stated yesterday that the Blue Jays are asking for three high level prospects, a massive sum for any player. We'll update more throughout the day.

Three high level prospects. Who can really afford that? Who would give it up?
I'm sure other offers would beat something like Melky/Pena/Joba, but how many of them would take on Wells' salary as well?

Also, remember that Doc has a full no trade clause. IMO, he doesn't go in the division unless the trade offer is too good AND Wells' salary goes, too. Likely not going to happen.

I was watching him pitch against Atlanta in Atlana with no DH and he almost blew an 8 run lead.....he couldn't even get the WIN because they couldn't trust him to hold an 8 run lead.......dude, 8 RUNS.......He can give that intimidating stare with the cleff chin all he wants, that ball will go over the fence every time. have you looked at his stats dude? Seriously?

 

[zach]

He never should have came out of it.. They should prep him to take the closer position when it comes available...

Couldn't agree more. It was the perfect ending...Joba sets up and Rivera closes.

 

[Pills]

Didn't the Sox bullpen allow the O's to come back from 9 runs down? Didn't the Royals score 9 runs on your pen this wknd? Almost blew that lead too.

Are you really going to criticize a pen that has been the best in baseball over the entire season? Not just TWO games. Also a pen that is part of a staff that has NOT BEEN BEATEN by your team all year?

I think he was just firing back at the ludicrous Pettitte comment.

Also, I could've sworn that the Jays wanted a SS. If the Yankees even sniff at this, Ramiro Pena will go.

Here's the thing - if the Jays try to package Wells in (which they most assuredly will), they'll end up getting less due to what the team has to pay him. There's not much doubt that Melky is likely on top of the trade list, and would go.

Here's the insider:
The latest reports out of Toronto say the Angels have moved into the lead for Roy Halladay's services.

Meanwhile, in St. Louis, Halladay is a bright enough star among fellow All-Stars that naturally, during the festivities, many players are asked if they'd go to bat to get Halladay into their own clubhouse.

White Sox starter Mark Buehrle dismisses the idea to some degree, but Cubs starter Ted Lilly couldn't help but gush a little about the thought of the Doc on Chicago's North Side.

That's all nice, but as ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney has reported, no deal appears close thus far. ESPN Insider's Keith Law stated yesterday that the Blue Jays are asking for three high level prospects, a massive sum for any player. We'll update more throughout the day.

Three high level prospects. Who can really afford that? Who would give it up?
I'm sure other offers would beat something like Melky/Pena/Joba, but how many of them would take on Wells' salary as well?

Also, remember that Doc has a full no trade clause. IMO, he doesn't go in the division unless the trade offer is too good AND Wells' salary goes, too. Likely not going to happen.

I was watching him pitch against Atlanta in Atlana with no DH and he almost blew an 8 run lead.....he couldn't even get the WIN because they couldn't trust him to hold an 8 run lead.......dude, 8 RUNS.......He can give that intimidating stare with the cleff chin all he wants, that ball will go over the fence every time. have you looked at his stats dude? Seriously?

I think you're missing the fact that he was signed to be the 5th starter. I'll take his stats for a #5. Joba isn't holding up his end, and who knows what's up with ****.

You keep pointing out single games. Funny, I saw him pitch 7 strong against Florida in the game before that Atlanta game (where he only gave up 3 runs, mind you), and then go 7 strong the game after the Atlanta game. Were you ready to give up on Big Papi when he started slow? Given how you look at statitsics, it looks like you were.

 

[markakis8]

I said it once, I'll say it again. I'd give up any three prospects the Blue Jays wanted if I were the Phillies. Taylor, Happ, Carrasco, Brown, Marson, whoever...

The Phillies desperately need the pitching (Pedro isn't going to be THE savior). And this isn't just a half year loan...People raised all hell when they traded Cardenas and Outman for Blanton and Blanton ACTUALLY helped them in the WS title. Imagine what Doc could do for 1 1/2 years?

The Phillies will be in the playoffs this year undoubtedly. Having Doc, Hamels, Pedro, and Blanton would be awesome.

Halladay is the ONLY pitcher I would do this for. The guy has just proven year after year after year that he is an ace and durable. He is the guy that could give the Phillies two more World Series titles. To me, that is worth three unproven players.

That's all nice, but as ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney has reported, no deal appears close thus far. ESPN Insider's Keith Law stated yesterday that the Blue Jays are asking for three high level prospects, a massive sum for any player. We'll update more throughout the day.

Three high level prospects. Who can really afford that? Who would give it up?
I'm sure other offers would beat something like Melky/Pena/Joba, but how many of them would take on Wells' salary as well?

Also, remember that Doc has a full no trade clause. IMO, he doesn't go in the division unless the trade offer is too good AND Wells' salary goes, too. Likely not going to happen.

 

[matfanofold]

Although Joba has dominating stuff, he just has never impressed me as a starter. Sure, he has had his monents, but was much more brilliant and effective coming out of the pen. I do not know if it's the right move, but I do think it's time to start and consider where he will best help the Yankees.