Jonathan Sanchez a Royal

[JustinVerlander35]

...and does walk too many guys.

This is an understatement. Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

Which is why I said,"He walks too many guys."

 

[sportscardtheory]

...and does walk too many guys.

This is an understatement. Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

Which is why I said,"He walks too many guys."

Which is why I said it's an understatement.

 

[RL24]

:lol: This is fun. Go Wes's team!

Oh my lord. I hope others are seeing this, because no one would believe if I told them.

If you started talking to them about baseball, they'd start to believe it. And yea, we're all seeing it. And pretty much laughing at ya.

Funny that I posted the SIMPLE challenge for Sanchez supporters to post what he has done well in the big leagues... and not ONE person has posted anything of the sort for pages and pages.

Here you go, I'm not a Sanchez fan but I'm smart enough to Google this stuff for you.


In Sanchez's MLB debut, Barry Bonds hit his 715th home run to surpass Babe Ruth

seriously though....

World Series Champion
Struck out over 200 hitters to lead team to playoffs
Threw a no hitter
Pitched for Puerto Rico in the 2009 World Baseball Classic, and should have gone 2-0 but was only 1-0 due to a blown save (Wins are a worthless stat)
His swinging-strike percentage is among the best in the majors
He has THREE (3) CAREER ERRORS! That's pretty crazy.
He only has 708.0 IP on his "MLB odometer" plenty of gas left in the tank. maybe.


In the 2010 NLDS against Atlanta, he pitched one game. He threw 7.1 innings and gave up 2 hits and 1 run. That's a pretty great performance for his first playoff game ever. Of course, he plays for the Giants so unfortunately he wasn't able to get a W. That's OK, because "the people who know" know that it's a worthless stat. I'm sure he can live without that W. His next game was against the almighty Phillies, he threw 6.0 IP and gave up 2 ER. Of course he got the L on that one, because how are the Giants gonna score 2 runs? (lol) At that point in his playoff career, his ERA was 2.03, he had 18 SO in 13.1 IP, his BAA was .149. AND he had only walked 4 batters.

In his next game, they were just nervous and didn't give him a chance. He only gave up 3 hits and 2 runs in 2.0 IP, so his ERA that day was 9. It really messed up his career playoff ERA, because he only has 20 IP. (Small sample size. 18 innings would be 2 games.) Then in the WS he had a terrible game, but hey... who doesn't have a bad day once in a while?


Jonathan Sanchez is not the horrible pitcher you make him out to be. I just used the Google machine to find that out for myself.

 

[RL24]

...and does walk too many guys.

This is an understatement. Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

How many guys have pitched 700 innings since 2006? Out of curiosity....

 

[sportscardtheory]

Here you go, I'm not a Sanchez fan but I'm smart enough to Google this stuff for you.


In Sanchez's MLB debut, Barry Bonds hit his 715th home run to surpass Babe Ruth

seriously though....

World Series Champion
Struck out over 200 hitters to lead team to playoffs
Threw a no hitter
Pitched for Puerto Rico in the 2009 World Baseball Classic, and should have gone 2-0 but was only 1-0 due to a blown save (Wins are a worthless stat)
His swinging-strike percentage is among the best in the majors
He has THREE (3) CAREER ERRORS! That's pretty crazy.
He only has 708.0 IP on his "MLB odometer" plenty of gas left in the tank. maybe.


In the 2010 NLDS against Atlanta, he pitched one game. He threw 7.1 innings and gave up 2 hits and 1 run. That's a pretty great performance for his first playoff game ever. Of course, he plays for the Giants so unfortunately he wasn't able to get a W. That's OK, because "the people who know" know that it's a worthless stat. I'm sure he can live without that W. His next game was against the almighty Phillies, he threw 6.0 IP and gave up 2 ER. Of course he got the L on that one, because how are the Giants gonna score 2 runs? (lol) At that point in his playoff career, his ERA was 2.03, he had 18 SO in 13.1 IP, his BAA was .149. AND he had only walked 4 batters.

In his next game, they were just nervous and didn't give him a chance. He only gave up 3 hits and 2 runs in 2.0 IP, so his ERA that day was 9. It really messed up his career playoff ERA, because he only has 20 IP. (Small sample size. 18 innings would be 2 games.) Then in the WS he had a terrible game, but hey... who doesn't have a bad day once in a while?


Jonathan Sanchez is not the horrible pitcher you make him out to be. I just used the Google machine to find that out for myself.

And I will counter with this for the win.

The not-so-good career stats

ERA - 4.26
WHIP - 1.388
W/L Record - 38-46 (45%)
Innings per-162 games - 165
HRs-allowed per-162 games - 17
Walks per-162 games - 88
Total Shutouts - 1 (in 118 carer starts)
Total Complete games - 1 (in 118 career starts)
Post-season career ERA - 4.05
Post-season career W/L record - 0-2
One winning season in 4 as a full-time starter, in that season he led the league in walks and hits-allowed per-9 innings
Player most similar to at age 28 - Ken Kravec
Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

 

[sportscardtheory]

...and does walk too many guys.

This is an understatement. Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

How many guys have pitched 700 innings since 2006? Out of curiosity....

87

And I never said or implied he was horrible, he's just not nearly as good as some in this thread are acting like he is.

 

[Wes]

Here you go, I'm not a Sanchez fan but I'm smart enough to Google this stuff for you.


In Sanchez's MLB debut, Barry Bonds hit his 715th home run to surpass Babe Ruth

seriously though....

World Series Champion
Struck out over 200 hitters to lead team to playoffs
Threw a no hitter
Pitched for Puerto Rico in the 2009 World Baseball Classic, and should have gone 2-0 but was only 1-0 due to a blown save (Wins are a worthless stat)
His swinging-strike percentage is among the best in the majors
He has THREE (3) CAREER ERRORS! That's pretty crazy.
He only has 708.0 IP on his "MLB odometer" plenty of gas left in the tank. maybe.


In the 2010 NLDS against Atlanta, he pitched one game. He threw 7.1 innings and gave up 2 hits and 1 run. That's a pretty great performance for his first playoff game ever. Of course, he plays for the Giants so unfortunately he wasn't able to get a W. That's OK, because "the people who know" know that it's a worthless stat. I'm sure he can live without that W. His next game was against the almighty Phillies, he threw 6.0 IP and gave up 2 ER. Of course he got the L on that one, because how are the Giants gonna score 2 runs? (lol) At that point in his playoff career, his ERA was 2.03, he had 18 SO in 13.1 IP, his BAA was .149. AND he had only walked 4 batters.

In his next game, they were just nervous and didn't give him a chance. He only gave up 3 hits and 2 runs in 2.0 IP, so his ERA that day was 9. It really messed up his career playoff ERA, because he only has 20 IP. (Small sample size. 18 innings would be 2 games.) Then in the WS he had a terrible game, but hey... who doesn't have a bad day once in a while?


Jonathan Sanchez is not the horrible pitcher you make him out to be. I just used the Google machine to find that out for myself.

And I will counter with this for the win.

The not-so-good career stats

ERA - 4.26
WHIP - 1.388
W/L Record - 38-46 (45%)
Innings per-162 games - 165
HRs-allowed per-162 games - 17
Walks per-162 games - 88
Total Shutouts - 1 (in 118 carer starts)
Total Complete games - 1 (in 118 career starts)
Post-season career ERA - 4.05
Post-season career W/L record - 0-2
One winning season in 4 as a full-time starter, in that season he led the league in walks and hits-allowed per-9 innings
Player most similar to at age 28 - Ken Kravec
Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

The following are not evidence of a "not so good career":

ERA - 4.26
WHIP - 1.388
W/L Record - 38-46 (45%)
Innings per-162 games - 165
Total Shutouts - 1 (in 118 carer starts)
Total Complete games - 1 (in 118 career starts)
Post-season career ERA - 4.05
Post-season career W/L record - 0-2
One winning season in 4 as a full-time starter, in that season he led the league in walks and hits-allowed per-9 innings
Player most similar to at age 28 - Ken Kravec

For the win?

 

[FromKoufaxtoEdwin]

Here you go, I'm not a Sanchez fan but I'm smart enough to Google this stuff for you.


In Sanchez's MLB debut, Barry Bonds hit his 715th home run to surpass Babe Ruth

seriously though....

World Series Champion
Struck out over 200 hitters to lead team to playoffs
Threw a no hitter
Pitched for Puerto Rico in the 2009 World Baseball Classic, and should have gone 2-0 but was only 1-0 due to a blown save (Wins are a worthless stat)
His swinging-strike percentage is among the best in the majors
He has THREE (3) CAREER ERRORS! That's pretty crazy.
He only has 708.0 IP on his "MLB odometer" plenty of gas left in the tank. maybe.


In the 2010 NLDS against Atlanta, he pitched one game. He threw 7.1 innings and gave up 2 hits and 1 run. That's a pretty great performance for his first playoff game ever. Of course, he plays for the Giants so unfortunately he wasn't able to get a W. That's OK, because "the people who know" know that it's a worthless stat. I'm sure he can live without that W. His next game was against the almighty Phillies, he threw 6.0 IP and gave up 2 ER. Of course he got the L on that one, because how are the Giants gonna score 2 runs? (lol) At that point in his playoff career, his ERA was 2.03, he had 18 SO in 13.1 IP, his BAA was .149. AND he had only walked 4 batters.

In his next game, they were just nervous and didn't give him a chance. He only gave up 3 hits and 2 runs in 2.0 IP, so his ERA that day was 9. It really messed up his career playoff ERA, because he only has 20 IP. (Small sample size. 18 innings would be 2 games.) Then in the WS he had a terrible game, but hey... who doesn't have a bad day once in a while?


Jonathan Sanchez is not the horrible pitcher you make him out to be. I just used the Google machine to find that out for myself.

And I will counter with this for the win.

The not-so-good career stats

ERA - 4.26
WHIP - 1.388
W/L Record - 38-46 (45%)
Innings per-162 games - 165
HRs-allowed per-162 games - 17
Walks per-162 games - 88
Total Shutouts - 1 (in 118 carer starts)
Total Complete games - 1 (in 118 career starts)
Post-season career ERA - 4.05
Post-season career W/L record - 0-2
One winning season in 4 as a full-time starter, in that season he led the league in walks and hits-allowed per-9 innings
Player most similar to at age 28 - Ken Kravec
Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

Using numbers such as these to evaluate pitchers is akin to me giving myself a lobotomy to relieve myself of the headache I've gotten from reading this thread.

We've come a long way from using ERA, W/L, postseason numbers, and other archaic "stats" in evaluating pitchers.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Here you go, I'm not a Sanchez fan but I'm smart enough to Google this stuff for you.


In Sanchez's MLB debut, Barry Bonds hit his 715th home run to surpass Babe Ruth

seriously though....

World Series Champion
Struck out over 200 hitters to lead team to playoffs
Threw a no hitter
Pitched for Puerto Rico in the 2009 World Baseball Classic, and should have gone 2-0 but was only 1-0 due to a blown save (Wins are a worthless stat)
His swinging-strike percentage is among the best in the majors
He has THREE (3) CAREER ERRORS! That's pretty crazy.
He only has 708.0 IP on his "MLB odometer" plenty of gas left in the tank. maybe.


In the 2010 NLDS against Atlanta, he pitched one game. He threw 7.1 innings and gave up 2 hits and 1 run. That's a pretty great performance for his first playoff game ever. Of course, he plays for the Giants so unfortunately he wasn't able to get a W. That's OK, because "the people who know" know that it's a worthless stat. I'm sure he can live without that W. His next game was against the almighty Phillies, he threw 6.0 IP and gave up 2 ER. Of course he got the L on that one, because how are the Giants gonna score 2 runs? (lol) At that point in his playoff career, his ERA was 2.03, he had 18 SO in 13.1 IP, his BAA was .149. AND he had only walked 4 batters.

In his next game, they were just nervous and didn't give him a chance. He only gave up 3 hits and 2 runs in 2.0 IP, so his ERA that day was 9. It really messed up his career playoff ERA, because he only has 20 IP. (Small sample size. 18 innings would be 2 games.) Then in the WS he had a terrible game, but hey... who doesn't have a bad day once in a while?


Jonathan Sanchez is not the horrible pitcher you make him out to be. I just used the Google machine to find that out for myself.

And I will counter with this for the win.

The not-so-good career stats

ERA - 4.26
WHIP - 1.388
W/L Record - 38-46 (45%)
Innings per-162 games - 165
HRs-allowed per-162 games - 17
Walks per-162 games - 88
Total Shutouts - 1 (in 118 carer starts)
Total Complete games - 1 (in 118 career starts)
Post-season career ERA - 4.05
Post-season career W/L record - 0-2
One winning season in 4 as a full-time starter, in that season he led the league in walks and hits-allowed per-9 innings
Player most similar to at age 28 - Ken Kravec
Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

Using numbers such as these to evaluate pitchers is akin to me giving myself a lobotomy to relieve myself of the headache I've gotten from reading this thread.

We've come a long way from using ERA, W/L, postseason numbers, and other archaic "stats" in evaluating pitchers.

Well then look at all the other ones I posted along with them.

Are people taking stupid pills today? ::facepalm::

 

[sportscardtheory]

His team won a World Series, he can strike batters out, some nonsense about pitching in Puerto Rico and he had a no-hitter.

This is the retort to the actual career stats I provided, and you think what I posted is "archaic" stats? lol Just freaking laughable.

 

[JustinVerlander35]

...and does walk too many guys.

This is an understatement. Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

Which is why I said,"He walks too many guys."

Which is why I said it's an understatement.

Then what other way can you possibly say he walks too many guys?

 

[lisu]

Honestly, all the numbers mean nothing to me. The biggest problem with Jonathan Sanchez is that he hasn't developed the mental toughness to be an elite pitcher. He'll get a close pitch called a ball, and then he can't throw strikes anymore. I love his stuff, and I still think he can be an elite pitcher, but I'm glad that Vogelsong stepped up for the Giants in 2011. He defines Giants torture.

 

[sportscardtheory]

...and does walk too many guys.

This is an understatement. Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

Which is why I said,"He walks too many guys."

Which is why I said it's an understatement.

Then what other way can you possibly say he walks too many guys?

I posted that it was an understatement because I don't believe you knew he has the worst walks per-9 innings ratio since he entered the league. It's really not a big deal. It's just semantics. "Too many" implied something to me and if I was wrong and you knew he is the worst, so be it.

 

[JustinVerlander35]

[quote="JustinVerlander35":398vyrwe]...and does walk too many guys.

This is an understatement. Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

Which is why I said,"He walks too many guys."

Which is why I said it's an understatement.

Then what other way can you possibly say he walks too many guys?

I posted that it was an understatement because I don't believe you knew he has the worst walks per-9 innings since he entered the league. It's really not a big deal. It's just semantics. "Too many" implied something to me and if I was wrong and you knew he is the worst, so be it.[/quote:398vyrwe]
:grouphug:

 

[sportscardtheory]

[quote="sportscardtheory":1b8h12vd][quote="JustinVerlander35":1b8h12vd]...and does walk too many guys.

This is an understatement. Since entering the league in 2006, of pitchers with at least 700 innings pitched, Sanchez has walked more batters per-9 innings than any other pitcher in baseball.

Which is why I said,"He walks too many guys."

Which is why I said it's an understatement.

Then what other way can you possibly say he walks too many guys?

I posted that it was an understatement because I don't believe you knew he has the worst walks per-9 innings since he entered the league. It's really not a big deal. It's just semantics. "Too many" implied something to me and if I was wrong and you knew he is the worst, so be it.[/quote:1b8h12vd]
:grouphug:[/quote:1b8h12vd]

:grouphug:

 

[GiantsSuperCollector]

Sabean bought high and sold low, traded Sanchez one year too late. Value has been much higher the past two years than it is now. Bad trade decision.

 

[lisu]

Sabean bought high and sold low, traded Sanchez one year too late. Value has been much higher the past two years than it is now. Bad trade decision.

This is true, but the problem is that the Giants weren't going to offer arbitration to Sanchez because he would have been awarded around $7 mil. In my mind, the Giants are essentially getting Melky Cabrera for nothing.

 

[GiantsSuperCollector]

Sabean bought high and sold low, traded Sanchez one year too late. Value has been much higher the past two years than it is now. Bad trade decision.

This is true, but the problem is that the Giants weren't going to offer arbitration to Sanchez because he would have been awarded around $7 mil. In my mind, the Giants are essentially getting Melky Cabrera for nothing.

Yeah that is true, and it opens up more money to bring back Beltran or sign someone else.

 

[fkw]

Sanchez will always be a borderline MLB pitcher at best, unless he somehow wakes up tomorrow with some poise and composure (highly unlikely as he is easily rattled), and a clue for where he is throwing that ball (lol :lol: )....

Perennial Loser, especially for a 2nd rate club like the Royals, his best days are well behind him with his career highlight being that No-No... wouldnt be surprised to see him out of baseball in less than 5 years...

Melky's at 27 years old, his career years will be in the next 5 years

awesome trade for the Giants... again

 

[vwnut13]

A mediocre pitcher in NL will become a bad pitcher in AL