Jordan /100

[Gio]

well, the data that i blog about comes DIRECTLY from the completed auctions listings on eBay.
If the data is wrong, then that is eBay's fault. Unfortunately I cannot verify each and every completed auction.

I guess that the easiest thing for me to say is Buyer Beware if using Hupe Royalty as any kind of reference.

I totally agree!

More important.. why do you put a known ebay RE-SELLER of Jordan inserts on your site and give him author rights??? Yeah yeah I know, he hasn't wrote anything on your site............. But why put him on in the first place? The only reason he hasn't wrote anything on it is because I brought it to peoples' attension! Otherwise he would have had a field day.

So yeah, why put a person who has MULTIPLE Jordan inserts and duplicates too, and i'm pretty sure you've seen the same exact cards selling multiple times on his ebay account and still you let him on your site? I wonder what would have happened if I never said anything... Should I have waited for him to start writting before I said anything? Maybe then I would have had more evidence? Next time i'll wait...... :x

You keep taking the easy way out and saying the same things! You know exactly!!!

I guess you can thank me for not letting Jordan PMG Reds sell for $10,000.00+ LOL at least the madness ended at around $2,000.00 or so. But try to prove me wrong and let it sell for $4,000.00+ NOW....

I got my eyes on you :shock:

 

[Orangejello727]

well, the data that i blog about comes DIRECTLY from the completed auctions listings on eBay.
If the data is wrong, then that is eBay's fault. Unfortunately I cannot verify each and every completed auction.

I guess that the easiest thing for me to say is Buyer Beware if using Hupe Royalty as any kind of reference.

explain why you didnt blog about all the auctions banana614 bought? I saw a whole bunch of Drose prices break records. Why havent you recorded them?

 

[Gio]

well, the data that i blog about comes DIRECTLY from the completed auctions listings on eBay.
If the data is wrong, then that is eBay's fault. Unfortunately I cannot verify each and every completed auction.

I guess that the easiest thing for me to say is Buyer Beware if using Hupe Royalty as any kind of reference.

explain why you didnt blog about all the auctions banana614 bought? I saw a whole bunch of Drose prices break records. Why havent you recorded them?

I would imagine that a person would record cards that he/and or his peers have... Makes no sense stirring up prices of cards you don't have.

The whole hype of 90's inserts all started with fake Jordan "record" prices. Then all the rest of the gys started to get attension... So by more and more people buying their favorite players for 90's inserts because they think all of a sudden Jordan is selling for mega bucks that it makes them feel like their player should hold a little value, so they "invest" in 90's inserts in general... It sure helps the prices of other 90's players if the people who have Jordan inserts to simply bid of 90's inserts in general, to hype other players as well so show interest... Then when you have 90's inserts in general being hyped, then Jordan prices should go up even more! Because the top player always gets top prices right?

So pretty much they have messed around with the ENTIRE 90's market with BS!! Just to simply hype the cards they have. Before the whole Jordan hype, other players would sell for penny on the dollar, now all of a sudden because Jordan went up they all go up! And you have the guys who mess with Jordan prices for that.


Why would they record D. Rose prices?

Now, if they had 50 of the 99 Exquisite rookies they would surely document those sales and spam it everywhere, on every forum... And BAM!!! Now Rose would sell for 10K too!

But thankfully I think the BS as slowed down some and probably will a little more as more people get educated about these things....

You know what it is, this site, Freedoman cardboard doesn't get enough traffic, so most people don't see this thread, but I bet if a link to this thread was posted on most forums, that people would come to realize what's going on...
Feel free to post this thread on any other forum and/or to friends! They can talk smack here because not enough people see it, so they think it's only "Gio" or "Wbonus" or any other dude that has spoken out about it. But it's not, there are tons of people that see what's going on, they're not stupid, they see... They just don't see this thread lol

 

[Gio]

Since I appreciate MIKE's "bump for Gio" so much on page 4 that I felt the need to return the favor...

So here it is, bump for MIKE!

Looks like your buddy Gonblott is on this forum after all... Surprised he never posted on this thread...

Here he is!!! viewtopic.php?f=2&t=131595

 

[emeyeceeone]

@wbonus

the reason i didn't blog about the DROSE stuff is because it is a patch/auto rookie card. take a look at hupe royalty. i have never tracked stuff on exquisite rookies, patch/autos, jersey/auto cards. Not really what I'm interested in.

However, I'm pretty sure other blogs blogged about that as well as all the chatter and a few threads on Hobby Kings.

EDIT: the above was in reference to the 12K exquisite rc of DROSE. I DO track his 08 topps chrome auto rc. I've been busy lately and haven't updated any of THOSE in the last two weeks though.

 

[Orangejello727]

@wbonus

the reason i didn't blog about the DROSE stuff is because it is a patch/auto rookie card. take a look at hupe royalty. i have never tracked stuff on exquisite rookies, patch/autos, jersey/auto cards. Not really what I'm interested in.

However, I'm pretty sure other blogs blogged about that as well as all the chatter and a few threads on Hobby Kings.

EDIT: the above was in reference to the 12K exquisite rc of DROSE. I DO track his 08 topps chrome auto rc. I've been busy lately and haven't updated any of THOSE in the last two weeks though.

Never happend. That card supposedly sold twice at $12k. Both times it never happend. Cards keep selling at record prices by the same sellers and its being recorded. How many times can same seller sell the exact same card over and over and over before people realize that the auctions were fake, unpaid and price fixing.

Blog these for refrerence to please..

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Item Start End Price Title High Bidder Seller
360233980839 Feb-10-10 Apr-10-11 09:24:56 US $250,000.00 LEBRON JAMES EXQUISITE AUTO PATCH RC SP GOLD BGS PSA 10 Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 09:24:56
See All Buyers mnmiracle2004
320623227172 Nov-27-10 Apr-10-11 09:29:46 US $125,000.00 1951 Bowman #305 Willie Mays MINT ISA 9 Giants RC POP 1 Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 09:29:46
See All Buyers international_sports_authentication
250485308164 Aug-19-09 Apr-12-11 00:49:33 US $79,999.99 03 LeBron James Wade Bosh Exquisite Set Auto RC BGS 9.5 Purchased on:
Apr-12-11 00:49:32
See All Buyers durantexq
300442420450 Jun-30-10 Apr-10-11 10:54:55 US $30,000.00 86-87 Fleer Michael Jordan Rookie Buyback Auto BGS 9 Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 10:54:55
See All Buyers bobby2175
280650723616 Mar-27-11 Apr-10-11 10:54:34 US $28,500.00 2007-08 UD EXQUISITE MICHAEL JORDAN AUTO PATCH 1/1 1of1 Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 10:54:34
See All Buyers theamericanmuseum
390296341417 Mar-10-11 Apr-13-11 20:31:17 US $25,000.00 2001 UD MJ TRIBUTES MICHAEL JORDAN SET PSA 10 & BGS 9.5 Purchased on:
Apr-13-11 20:31:17
See All Buyers mintstateinc
250803166515 Apr-10-11 Apr-12-11 03:46:19 US $25,000.00 Michael Jordan 86-87 Fleer auto Buyback BGS 8.5 #11/23 Purchased on:
Apr-12-11 03:46:19
See All Buyers supersonic09
360210021531 Nov-20-09 Apr-09-11 19:09:10 US $25,000.00 GEORGE WASHINGTON THOMAS JEFFERSON SIGNED CUT AUTO 1/1 Purchased on:
Apr-09-11 19:09:10
See All Buyers davidssportscards
360356253615 Mar-31-11 Apr-10-11 20:00:01 US $22,649.99 04 UD GEORGE WASHINGTON BABE RUTH DUAL CUT AUTO 1/1 banana614 (*) beckettmedia
160571478304 Apr-10-11 Apr-10-11 11:07:15 US $20,000.00 Bowman Chrome Derrick Rose RC Auto Superfractor SP 1/1 Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 11:07:15
See All Buyers nismo68
380330276026 Apr-05-11 Apr-11-11 13:58:30 US $19,999.00 09 10 NATIONAL TREASURES RC LOGOMAN AUTO BLAKE GRIFFIN Purchased on:
Apr-11-11 13:58:30
See All Buyers 1of1hobby
330527310010 Feb-04-11 Apr-10-11 20:47:00 US $16,000.00 1952 TOPPS #311 MICKEY MANTLE "THE KING OF TOPPS CARDS" Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 20:47:00
See All Buyers cardemperor
380279370038 Oct-15-10 Apr-10-11 11:19:20 US $15,000.00 1984-85 STAR #BAG5 BULLS SEALED BAG BGS 8.5 JORDAN #101 Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 11:19:20
See All Buyers higbees.com
360339709143 Jan-27-11 Apr-10-11 09:25:23 US $15,000.00 1979-80 WAYNE GRETZKY OPC ROOKIE RC #18 *** 9.5+ GEM Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 09:25:23
See All Buyers mnmiracle2004
230482188324 May-31-10 Apr-10-11 09:23:36 US $15,000.00 06/07 Chrome Rajon Rondo X-fractor Auto #d /10 BGS 9.5 Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 09:23:36
See All Buyers iplumb63
110651431898 Feb-19-11 Apr-12-11 03:49:05 US $14,999.99 10 BOWMAN STEPHEN STRASBURG REFRACTOR SET SUPERFRACTOR? Purchased on:
Apr-12-11 03:49:05
See All Buyers twizeldmotorsports18
330548650149 Mar-31-11 Apr-11-11 21:15:14 US $13,999.00 2008 Bowman Chrome Jason Heyward Superfractor Auto 1/1 Purchased on:
Apr-11-11 21:15:14
See All Buyers burke23
220745205272 Feb-25-11 Apr-12-11 02:32:18 US $13,000.00 01 UD Tiger Woods BGS 9 Tour Gear Red Shirt & Hat SP RC Purchased on:
Apr-12-11 02:32:18
See All Buyers first_class_card_guys
150586900519 Apr-03-11 Apr-09-11 19:55:31 US $12,500.00 1984-85 STAR 101 MICHAEL JORDAN AUTO UDA NM-MT 8 GLOBAL Purchased on:
Apr-09-11 19:55:31
See All Buyers justballin3
130484885136 Feb-09-11 Apr-10-11 09:35:40 US $12,000.00 2001 UD GOLF PLAYER'S INK GOLD AUTO TIGER WOODS ONLY 25 Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 09:35:39
See All Buyers bullrock7
260760704667 Mar-29-11 Apr-10-11 09:20:50 US $12,000.00 2008-09 DERRICK ROSE Exquisite 3CL LOGO PATCH AUTO /99 Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 09:20:50
See All Buyers redskinswizards
360187764895 Sep-08-09 Apr-10-11 20:48:56 US $11,500.00 LEBRON JAMES 2003-04 EXQUISITE RC 3 CLR PATCH AUTO /99 Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 20:48:56
See All Buyers davidssportscards
200483925557 Jun-15-10 Apr-11-11 21:33:13 US $10,946.00 1998 98 Bowman Gold Autograph rc Peyton Manning BGS 9 Purchased on:
Apr-11-11 21:33:13
See All Buyers reddzonesports
250774297106 Feb-15-11 Apr-10-11 11:00:24 US $10,000.00 2010 topps triple threads albert pujols auto 1/1 GU Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 11:00:24
See All Buyers simplesportscards
360353051801 Mar-18-11 Apr-10-11 09:26:39 US $10,000.00 1915 TY COBB CRACKER JACK #30 SGC 70 5.5 EX+ Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 09:26:39
See All Buyers mnmiracle2004
190428912571 Aug-08-10 Apr-11-11 20:36:00 US $9,999.99 Michael Jordan UD Exquisite Quad Jersey/Patch/Auto 1/1 Purchased on:
Apr-11-11 20:36:00
See All Buyers $guru$
130378071476 Mar-27-10 Apr-10-11 10:59:57 US $9,999.99 1994 Score ALEX RODRIGUEZ Rookie BGS 9.5 w/2 10s 2 9.5s Purchased on:
Apr-10-11 10:59:56
See All Buyers mandlcards
170511806479 Jul-10-10 Apr-12-11 09:19:44 US $9,250.00 2007 AUTO FLEER 03/23 MICHAEL JORDAN GAME USED FLOOR Purchased on:
Apr-12-11 09:19:44
See All Buyers whimsicalsoapsandfashion


Theres about 1 million dollars of confirmed sales on ebay. But just ignore the fact that all of these cards are now back up for sales again by the same sellers. But according to your logic and blogging, ebay has confirmed these sales just by looking them up under auctions ended. I also saw a craigslist listing for a 1990 Fleer Jordan base card for $1 trillion dollars. The listing is no longer up and card was sold. I guess thats now official that 1990 Jordan base cards sell for $1 trillion dollars.

Im not ragging on you. Im just more than ever convinced that your blog it contributing to price fixing by recording false sales and claiming them to be legit.

 

[emeyeceeone]

@wbonus

1. since you've already posted that info here, there is no need to blog about it. and i agree that those banana sales were false, btw. the threads on hobby kings are more than enough evidence that those sales should not be considered legit.

2. do you know what an "anomaly" is? it is an outlier, an occurrence that happens outside of the norm. those billion trillion million dollar listings you refer to are OBVIOUS anomalies, and more so outright silly. there will always be numbers that fall EXTREMELY outside of trends and therefore should not be taken into consideration. If these anomalies become consistent, then that is when it becomes part of a trend. A few math courses in probability and stats should give you a better idea of what i'm talking about.

 

[emeyeceeone]

@wbonus

i have an idea. what if i set you up as a contributor on hupe royalty, with your own section.
you can write about whatever WHATEVER you want to on there, unfiltered, even if you choose to bash me on my hobby related posts. you can correct ALL the auctions that you believe are false that I record and together we can fix any INCORRECT data you feel that I put up.

or you can just blog about how I contribute to everything wrong with the hobby.

just set up a wordpress.com account and PM me your user ID and I'll give you contributor access to the site.

sound fair?

 

[emeyeceeone]

@wbonus

i HIGHLY recommend you visit this german sports card message board (you might need to register on their site to visit that exact link). the original thread started in october 2009. you might need google chrome to translate the page unless you understand german. that should give you a better idea of the jordan inserts market and show you that the jordan stuff i have recorded pales in comparison to how detailed these jordan collectors are in understanding the jordan inserts market. they also detail jordan autographs/jersey/patches in addition to inserts.

Top 10 Michael Jordan Inserts of the 90s / numbered Inserts / Game Used / Autographs
http://forum.dascardboard.eu/showthread.php?t=15862

 

[Orangejello727]

@wbonus

i HIGHLY recommend you visit this german sports card message board (you might need to register on their site to visit that exact link). the original thread started in october 2009. you might need google chrome to translate the page unless you understand german. that should give you a better idea of the jordan inserts market and show you that the jordan stuff i have recorded pales in comparison to how detailed these jordan collectors are in understanding the jordan inserts market. they also detail jordan autographs/jersey/patches in addition to inserts.

Top 10 Michael Jordan Inserts of the 90s / numbered Inserts / Game Used / Autographs
http://forum.dascardboard.eu/showthread.php?t=15862

I am already a member on that site and have known many of those collectors before any of the forums opened up. Ive known a ton of collectors from the telnet forums that go as far back as 1994.

Im not questioning the prices of MJ inserts and their authenticity. I already know they command good dollars. Im questioning recent sales by certain sellers and comparing them to general sales. Im question the reselling of the same card over and over again by a group of sellers then having people associate these recent sales with current pricing trends. Thats what I question.

 

[emeyeceeone]

@wbonus

from my take, you are questioning what I do and are associating some shadiness with it.

Between you and Gio I feel like you are accusing me of conspiring with Gonblott (whom I only know through the HK forums, it isn't if he is a personal friend of mine. I have no monetary benefit from his dealings on ebay/HK. With that said, I have no problem with him and find him to be a good person, in my exchanges with him)

You and Gio keep mentioning the word "PEOPLE" who are doing things, which implies multiple individuals.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be more specific. I'd like to know who you guys are talking about. Name names. Their HK names, their ebay names, whatever you know. Share what you know! I think it would benefit everyone if you provide names.

 

[Gio]

@wbonus

from my take, you are questioning what I do and are associating some shadiness with it.

Between you and Gio I feel like you are accusing me of conspiring with Gonblott (whom I only know through the HK forums, it isn't if he is a personal friend of mine. I have no monetary benefit from his dealings on ebay/HK. With that said, I have no problem with him and find him to be a good person, in my exchanges with him)

You and Gio keep mentioning the word "PEOPLE" who are doing things, which implies multiple individuals.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be more specific. I'd like to know who you guys are talking about. Name names. Their HK names, their ebay names, whatever you know. Share what you know! I think it would benefit everyone if you provide names.

I think that you're challeging us to "name names" because you THINK that THEY'RE confusing us with all their different user names... I think you or others just want to see if you're in the clear... In reality it's easy to follow! Just like it's easy to find your buddy on here with yet another user name. They can make all the different user names they want, because eventually WE will catch up with them and expose the frauds that they ARE!

You don't worry about naming names... that will only give up all the info! When we have something SOLID then you will hear about it. Right now we can collect all the pieces which are stacking up and pretty soon it will all be clear.

I like it how you gave me your ebay user id in some previous post, as if that's your only one! lol Where your ID where you sell your Jordans, huh??? :twisted:

 

[Orangejello727]

@wbonus

1. since you've already posted that info here, there is no need to blog about it. and i agree that those banana sales were false, btw. the threads on hobby kings are more than enough evidence that those sales should not be considered legit.

2. do you know what an "anomaly" is? it is an outlier, an occurrence that happens outside of the norm. those billion trillion million dollar listings you refer to are OBVIOUS anomalies, and more so outright silly. there will always be numbers that fall EXTREMELY outside of trends and therefore should not be taken into consideration. If these anomalies become consistent, then that is when it becomes part of a trend. A few math courses in probability and stats should give you a better idea of what i'm talking about.

So when I challenge the accuracy of your data you hit me with a "im not good at math" lowball? lol. You want to talk statistics and probability with me? Ill take that challenge. Since you are some genius in stats and to make this debate fair on the topic....lets start with the essentials of the numbers we are working with.

First off can you prove to me that the sales you have recorded and are trending on certain cards are all verified true and accurate? That there are no chargebacks, no reverse sales, no non sales and un completed sales? YES OR NO?

Secondly. Can you verify without a doubt that the sales recorded on your blog are true sales between 2 legit sellers and buyers that have no relation nor any agreement of price fixing and collusion? YES OR NO?

If you cannot answer yes to both of those questions, then you cannot trend based on misinformation my friend. If your numbers are not accurate right from the start, your trending will never be correct. capish?

I dont doubt that MJ cards command good coin. Ive said this before over and over and over again... I doubt certain sales that prop up attention so people like you go flocking to blog about it. Only for certain people to gain from it.

Go back to your heaven of HK. Go there and ask what happend with the griffin next day sigs. Im not talking about the dude asking for his money back after the market collapsed on blake. Im talking about how the buyer asked both gregnice and kings to purposely show the BIN being hit for $2500 for each card bought. WHY? why do you think he asked specifically to have both auctions end at this mark? To set a market price for this card. Why? Because with 2 sales at 2500, this can now be blogged by people like you and other sellers that the last few cards have sold for this record amount. Now he will try and go off to grade them. After doing so, he will command double that value as he uses those record sales as proof the card in raw is going for 2500. Yet guys like AtotheLOw or whatever sold his for $1500 not even a week or 2 earlier. How is that not price fixing on a limited card that rarely shows up?

HOnestly, you are set in your mind that the world is some sort of utopia and there is no way there are people out there who are benfiting from hyping the sales of these cards. Ironically those you idolize on HK are people like gonblott, daveduffield, etcc. Same guys that buy trade and sell MJ rare inserts. Your right, they have nothing to gain by hyping the very same cards they sell right? LOL. Ill give Henry a plus tho. Atleast he is a realist, both as a collector and as a buyer. He doesnt overpay, he understand market value and doesnt need to hype is great collection because he is not looking to manipulate the market with his vast knowledge.

Like ive stated. We know MJ sales trendings. Its just a shame you dont know anything about price fixing and collusion. Since you have suggested that I go back and study stats (Eventho I am a finance major with a CA under my belt), I encourage you to read some books on price manipulation in the stock market. HOw unethical it is and how ilegal it is in a regulated industry.

 

[emeyeceeone]

@wbonus

to answer your questions, the answers are no. No I can't prove that there are sales that fall through, that are illegitimate, that are fishy. So yes, you got me there.

HOWEVER, what irks me is that it feels like you think i have INTENT TO DECEIVE, which I promise to you to anyone to whoever cares to believe, I DO NOT.

Would the only answer to be to STOP blogging?

Keep in mind, I am not getting paid by anyone. Hupe Royalty is my blog, not a commercial website. I do this for my pleasure and choose to share it with fellow collectors, if they CHOOSE to believe it or what not.

Lately, I haven't been paying attention to ebay and I've been having more fun photoshopping custom images of 90's styled inserts. Have Jordan prices on inserts/autos/jerseys from the 90's plateaued since I stopped regularly recording prices? I don't think they have. I still check ebay periodically just for my own interest. I think that that shows that prices are still escalating, whether I blog about it or not.

Hupe Royalty has VERY MINIMAL, if any, impact on buyers when it comes to Jordan stuff. They will pay what they will pay, and currently it still seems that those numbers are climbing. I find it great that you are looking out for the well being for other collectors, so let me ask you this - am I the only person online who's blog, website or page you have an issue with? What other site do you think i contributing to negativity in the hobby?

Here's a general question:
Whenever someone shares maildays, sales, purchases, is that not considered hype? Or does it only mean hype if they disclose the amount that card sold/bought for?

 

[emeyeceeone]

@wbonus

http://www.hobbykings.com/forum/search. ... &start=100

here are all my posts from hobby kings. take a look at all my posts i've started. i use to always post in the beckett boards (until they went throught that makeover) then hopped onto hobby kings.

i've ALWAYS been fascinated with photoshop, michael jordan, 90's inserts, autographs and whatnot. that's been the majority of the threads i start, contribute and respond to.

i started hupe royalty in april 2008, blogging about HOF autograph cards (mostly the on card stuff)

i've never ever been in cohorts with ANYONE to manipulate any market. that is why i continue to comment on this thread. i find myself quite offended (though i think i can try to communicate my thoughts without childish nonsense (so for that "anomaly" comment, if you felt offended, i apologize. the intent was not to come off condescending) and articulate where i'm coming from) and see if we can at least go back and forth with each other.

the reason i ask about naming names is, i'd like to put it on my blog. i'll put a disclaimer on there that there are certain individuals you believe are corrupt. i think its only fair.

now, yes, i appreciate daveduffield and verse1 and gonblott and hychang1 and any other 90's collector who shares their knowledge/pictures about that genre of collecting, but in no means do I consider them my buddies. they are people on a message board, and they are in no means spiteful/rude to me, so I treat them the same way. we share the same interests. that's where it ends.

if i put their (whoever it may be) names (that of which you seem to know but unwilling to share with me) out on hupe royalty, at least if people come to the site will have some kind of caution to go by if they see these sellers/buyers names on ebay with regards to 90's stuff.

now i could go ask gonblott, dave, verse1, hychang5 their ebay names through PMs one by one, but I am not accusing them. YOU ARE (well i don't know who you are accusing that's why I keep asking) I will put YOUR NAME behind these accusations, but simply be the messenger because you seem to think that Hupe Royalty carries some kind of clout among collectors.

If it turns out the accusations are wrong, well, I hope you answer them. If they turn out to be right, you will get the due recognition. I choose to simply be the avenue to put it out there, since it seems to me that Gio (and possibly you?) think that Freedom Cardboard doesn't get enough exposure and people won't read this thread.

 

[Gio]

If you really want to show you have nothing to do with all that nonsense going on with fake sales, why don't you post a link to this thread on your site and explain what the thread is about :?:

That would surely be a little start to save some buyers from the sad thruth that they will get if/when they buy a Jordan insert for way more than true market value and then sell it for waaaay less!

I think that would convince me that YOU have nothing to do with it, but I can't speak for everybody else... I never really thought that you had anything to do with all this until you started with all the posts which seemed to me like you were trying and still trying to protect the wrong doers. It makes it look like you have something to do with all this when you keep going with your "bump for Gio" and all that. So yeah man, NEVER in the begining when I first discovered your site did I think you had anything to do with fake Jordan sales...

Will you put a link on this thread to your site? Obviously you don't have to...

One more thing, if you posted a link to THIS thread for every thread you make on ALL the forums about your custom cards, the ENTIRE card community would be fully educated about fake Jordan sales!!! :lol: Just messing with you

 

[emeyeceeone]

1. Gio, if you haven't already realized this, I've given up trying to communicate with you. IMO, you are childish and cannot communicate nor are you willing to answer questions that I pose to you. If that is how you choose to communicate online, do not expect any further replies from me. (this post not withstanding) Wbonus seems to be fully capable of expressing himself to me and I find his replies to be more thoughtful insightful and intelligent than yours. Again, that's in my opinion. No offense.

2. I will gladly post this thread on Hupe Royalty. As a matter of fact, when you visit my blog (which you seem to do so routinely anyway) you will notice that I disclose all the message boards I post on (on the right side of every page) along with my board name, so you or anyone can view all the threads I post.

3. If I do post this link to this thread on Hupe Royalty, I ask that you also disclose to me so I can also post on Hupe Royalty: all the boards you visit, along with your screen names. I also ask that you NAME NAMES, so that when I do put that on Hupe Royalty, it is YOUR NAME that gets recognition and so that other collectors can communicate with you if they want more information on people you believe are corrupt in this hobby. I also ask for your ebay name(s). I choose not to accuse anybody, but I will happily be an outlet to spread what you, wbonus and (apparently many others) believe is something wrong in the hobby and want to share with the rest of the community.

4. I ask the same thing from wbonus. Full disclosure on all those things. All of my information to reach me (other than my last name and phone number, but I can disclose that too, if necessary) is available on Hupe Royalty. I am willing to answer any questions that question my integrity regarding this hobby.

5. Again, my ebay name is emeyeceeone. Feel free to look it up. I have no other ebay account. I stopped collecting over 5 years ago (that is one of the reasons I started Hupe Royalty: to stay connected to the hobby, without spending money directly in the hobby)

6. If you are willing to do what I ask, I have no problem posting this thread on Hupe Royalty or replying back with you in this thread.

7. If you cannot do this, well, then you can post in this thread, but do not expect any replies from me. As long as he is still posting in this thread, I am more than satisfied with communicating with wbonus (or anyone else who cares to join the conversation).

8. If you feel that this thread is so important, why don't YOU post this in all forums? You seem to want to look out for the entire collecting community, so why don't you take it upon yourself to do what you are asking me to do? It takes a few minutes to sign up on message board if you aren't already registered on there. Be the leader of the movement. As a matter of fact, I ask why haven't you don so already? This thread has been going on over several months and if you have everyone's best interest in mind, I question why you haven't already posted it everywhere.

 

[Orangejello727]

all i ask is for you to confirm the auction prices you listed to be accurate. Can you verify that information?

The legitimacy of your site and the prices you quote on your blog of auctions ended on ebay are what I question. Can you please confirm to me that the ending prices of all the auctions you have quoted on your blog are true legitimate sales?

Ive already pointed out a few to you (The Jordan spx force redemption) auctions that you listed on your blog as confirmed sales that eventually ended up show up for sale again and again. You removed them because they were example of how you quoted false sales. If you can question just 1 sale and have it be wrong, id question all sales you have listed. This is the reason I asked you to list the seller of each auction. You chose not to. I think you chose to keep the sellers secret for a reason. I think I know the reason, but only you can tell us. You have already stated its too much work to list the seller, yet its not that much work as you already list the date and the ending price. HOw is listing the seller that much more?

By listing the sellers of these cards, you can determine not only ending prices, but the trending in who sells at what price. You start to see the oddities that some of have been seeing for a while.

 

[emeyeceeone]

@wbonus

for the amount of 90's inserts, autographs, jordan inserts that I track, how is it possible to confirm EACH and EVERY SALE? is it expected that i review every sale until positive feedback by both the buyer and seller? if you haven't been to hupe royalty in a while, you will see that i track a wide variety of cards. that would be a tremendous job to have to go back days or (weeks?) later for EVERY sale to make sure it was confirmed. i'm not up to the task. if that makes the stuff i post COMPLETELY WORTHLESS to you or anyone else, well, i can either chose to live with that or for the integrity of what I think the data provides, stop blogging altogether. if forced to chose I'd rather risk some people think my stuff is completely useless and some people thinking it is something they could find resourceful instead of shutting down completely.

how can we verify ANYTHING is legit? truly though. EVERY SALE? i think it is impossible.

as of march 16th, i had started putting seller names by each auction data i post.

 

[emeyeceeone]

@wbonus

what is your recommendation as far as how to verify each and every sale? i'm open to suggestions if you have something to recommend.