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Newpapers are not biased, or misleading. EVER.predatorkj said:
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Card Magnet said:Newpapers are not biased, or misleading. EVER.predatorkj said:
I agree!
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You call what the police chief said "damage control"? If everything is soooo biased and one sided, why would damage control even be necessary? Damage control IS NOT admitting guilt and setting yourself up for probably the easiest civil suit ever. That's not "damage control"....that's ADMITTING GUILT.
And about your local coverage, maybe your looking through a biased set of sunglasses because how would your local media benefit from vilifying the Dallas police? Also, could it be MAYBE JUST MAYBE that the only news they had received was what you saw early on and they released it so they could be ontop of the story until they could run a more indepth look at the situation??
btw, I love how you say the news only ran the negatives, FIND ME A POSITVE. Where's the positives to run? This "PUBLIC SERVANT" kept a guy from seeing his DYING MOTHER IN LAW FOR RUNNING A RED LIGHT. PERIOD. If i continue this conversation i'm gonna blow a gasket and get banned from this site 2 days into my membership, so i wish you the best man, i hope you never run across an officer powell because I PROMISE you'll be singing a different tune.
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I'm 100% against this Powell living trash mound. But - I don't think that the police chief's statement is an admission of guilt. Sometimes people say things to just keep good in the face of the public and to save trouble later. I hope he was sincere about the statement, but who really knows but him? I think that at most, it was said to try and make the Dallas PD look a little better, and that this is just an isolated officer, not their department.vaughn said:
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If you keep it clean you won't get banned.All we are doing is debating.I am not trying to pick a fight with you.I don't know you and have no good reason to try to anger you but I simply don't agree with what you said.It doesn't have to result in a suspension.
As for what the police chief did it is damage control.He said what he said so hopefully Moats won't push the issue.He also said what he said because he was obligated to to save face as Card Magnet said.Obviously you don't know much about how people cover their rear ends these days.The best and first thing to do is to distance yourself and your department from the actual problem.
As for your second paragraph...uh dude...just so you know the Houston Chronicle ran the story I am referencing about a week after the fact.Yeah buddy!That's staying on top of it.It wasn't their first article about it either.As for them benefiting by bad coverage...hey...they print what sells papers.If the truth doesn't quite sell papers they put a spin on it and all of a sudden its the outrage of the nation over.They intentionally left out quite a few facts.I know.I saw the whole thing and I also read the paper every day.Besides...any chance to bash on Dallas and you can bet anyone in Houston will do it.
There was no real positive to the situation but where you are trying to place blame on only one person...I see an idiot who ran his mouth(like an idiot would) when time was precious and it ultimately cost him.I won't sing a different tune because I know that cops in general are used to pulling people over who do not want to cooperate so if I am in a bind and need to get somewhere in a hurry...I do my best to make sure I don't catch any additional hangups.If I did get pulled over then yeah, I would calmly tell the guy whats going on but I would not drive to my original destination(like Moats did) and then decide I was ready to pull over and then jump out of the car and start jumping around like a banshee.I would offer my liscense, and even my entire wallet and then ask the officer to either follow me or escort me.It would have taken way less time and he may have even let me off the hook.
I just don't understand how people think that a dying relative gives you the right to break the law and then be astounded that an officer won't accept the excuses and chooses to pull you over.Especially when you do not explain yourself in a calm and reasonable manner.I have had a number of run ins with the law.There were quite a few that were not what I would term reasonable.I had to waste $5 one time when a friend and I were waiting for my mom to pick us up after a high school football game .We were called "gangbangers" and I was told that if we were not gone in 5 minutes that we would be arrested.I thought he was joking but apparently he was not.I had to go call my mom collect since the game ended about 30 minutes earlier than we expected and I did not have a cell phone.
Its not the same as the above situation but cops can be big time asses when they want.The thing you have to realize is that either way...they can get away with things you can not.You can either play by their rules or suffer for it.I choose to play by their rules.Playing by their rules does not constitute jumping out of your vehicle and going nuts and not being cooperative.It will only cost you.And when you are in a hurry the last thing you want to do is waste time.By trying to act like he could do whatever he wanted, the law be damned, he cost himself and I think its a valuable lesson.We are all expected to follow the law no matter the circumstances and if one guy gets away with it then why shouldn't everyone else?I am sure many would argue this matter but in my mind what one person gets is what another should too.I will admit I think the cop could have been way better about it but I place most of the blame on Moats.If you do something to put yourself in a situation where there will be a problem...who else can you blame?
It'd be like me walking into a redneck bar over here where I live.There might be trouble.But did I have to go there?No.I chose to.I can sit there all day and night and tell people what horrible horrible people the assailants are but in the end I took a risk and I don't see a reason to blame someone else for my own bad judgment.Moats didn't have to run that red light.He chose to.Now he is blaming someone else for a mistake he made.The officer didn't make him run that light and if he hadn't run it...he would have seen his mother in law just in time.The officer screwed up but Moats is the one who will go to his grave one day knowing he could have had the chance if only ha had acted differently.
Oh...and one more thing...yeah, I did wait through red lights to get my grandfather to a hospital(we took him to St.Josephs in downtown if anyone knows where that's at in Houston).But guess what?I didn't get stopped by the cops and I got him there safely and within about 15 minutes.
I know!WOW!!
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predatorkj - You should really take the extra seconds to put some content into your posts Funny gangbanger story, lol
ANOTHER STORY - Powell does a little interview
The Dallas police officer who has received national criticism for detaining an NFL player as his mother-in-law was dying said Monday that he wishes he had handled the situation differently.
Officer Robert Powell, who publicly apologized last week for adding to the family's grief, explained what he wishes he had done instead.
Looks like he's trying to do a little damage control. I don't know if it's sincere or not. Seems odd that he didn't even personally call the Moats family and stayed out of the spotlight, but shortly after the Moats' say on national TV they accept his apology through statement, but would have like to hear from him directly - he pops up.
"If I were in that situation again, I would take them inside and let them be with their mother, which is where they needed to be," Powell told KTVT (Channel 11).
NFL running back Ryan Moats, 26, told police that he rolled through a red light with his hazard lights on March 17 as he was rushing his family to a Plano hospital to visit his dying mother-in-law. Powell pulled over the Moatses' SUV outside the emergency room. He kept Moats and another relative there for 13 minutes as he wrote a traffic ticket.
Powell said he wasn't sure what was happening when the Moats family jumped out of the car to rush inside the hospital.
"I have never had a traffic stop like this," Powell said. "Everything at that point is training kicking in. I don't know what they're doing. I don't know what's going on."
Powell told KTVT that he doesn't know why he didn't let Moats and his family proceed inside the hospital after they made it clear that they were visiting a dying relative. Two of the Moats relatives ran into the hospital despite Powell's commands.
"I don't know why I didn't," he said. "I should have."
The Moats family has said Powell pointed his gun at Tamishia Moats, Ryan Moats' wife. Powell said he doesn't recall that.
"Once I found out there was no threat, I did reholster my weapon immediately," he said.
He said the outrage the incident sparked has been difficult for him and his wife, who have two young children.
"To say that I'm scared of being fired – I would say it's an understatement," he said. "I'm terrified."
Moats, a graduate of Bishop Lynch High School, lives in Frisco. He plays for the Houston Texans.
Moats, his wife and two other family members were headed to Baylor Regional Medical Center at Plano when Powell pulled them over.
Moats stopped at a red light near the hospital, hazard lights flashing, and then drove through it after the motorist with the right-of-way signaled for him to go ahead, Moats told police.
"I got there as safely as I could," he said in a television interview.
Powell, watching traffic from a hidden spot, turned on his lights and sirens, caught up with Moats' vehicle and followed it into a hospital parking lot.
There, the police officer – who has since been placed on leave – detained Moats, threatening and berating him.
Moats' mother-in-law died before he could get in to see her.
Moats appeared on ABC-TV's Good Morning America on Monday morning.
"I was afraid for ... [my wife] because he was pointing a gun at her," Ryan Moats said.
When Powell pulled him over, "I didn't realize what was going on at the time," Moats said. "Once I got out, I realized it was pretty serious.
"I understand about the red light, but I thought he'd have some kind of sympathy."
Tamishia Moats said the family has not heard from Powell personally.
"It would be comforting to get an apology from him," she said. "We definitely would accept his apology."
Funny gangbanger story, lol ANOTHER STORY - Powell does a little interview
The Dallas police officer who has received national criticism for detaining an NFL player as his mother-in-law was dying said Monday that he wishes he had handled the situation differently.
Officer Robert Powell, who publicly apologized last week for adding to the family's grief, explained what he wishes he had done instead.
Looks like he's trying to do a little damage control. I don't know if it's sincere or not. Seems odd that he didn't even personally call the Moats family and stayed out of the spotlight, but shortly after the Moats' say on national TV they accept his apology through statement, but would have like to hear from him directly - he pops up.
"If I were in that situation again, I would take them inside and let them be with their mother, which is where they needed to be," Powell told KTVT (Channel 11).
NFL running back Ryan Moats, 26, told police that he rolled through a red light with his hazard lights on March 17 as he was rushing his family to a Plano hospital to visit his dying mother-in-law. Powell pulled over the Moatses' SUV outside the emergency room. He kept Moats and another relative there for 13 minutes as he wrote a traffic ticket.
Powell said he wasn't sure what was happening when the Moats family jumped out of the car to rush inside the hospital.
"I have never had a traffic stop like this," Powell said. "Everything at that point is training kicking in. I don't know what they're doing. I don't know what's going on."
Powell told KTVT that he doesn't know why he didn't let Moats and his family proceed inside the hospital after they made it clear that they were visiting a dying relative. Two of the Moats relatives ran into the hospital despite Powell's commands.
"I don't know why I didn't," he said. "I should have."
The Moats family has said Powell pointed his gun at Tamishia Moats, Ryan Moats' wife. Powell said he doesn't recall that.
"Once I found out there was no threat, I did reholster my weapon immediately," he said.
He said the outrage the incident sparked has been difficult for him and his wife, who have two young children.
"To say that I'm scared of being fired – I would say it's an understatement," he said. "I'm terrified."
Moats, a graduate of Bishop Lynch High School, lives in Frisco. He plays for the Houston Texans.
Moats, his wife and two other family members were headed to Baylor Regional Medical Center at Plano when Powell pulled them over.
Moats stopped at a red light near the hospital, hazard lights flashing, and then drove through it after the motorist with the right-of-way signaled for him to go ahead, Moats told police.
"I got there as safely as I could," he said in a television interview.
Powell, watching traffic from a hidden spot, turned on his lights and sirens, caught up with Moats' vehicle and followed it into a hospital parking lot.
There, the police officer – who has since been placed on leave – detained Moats, threatening and berating him.
Moats' mother-in-law died before he could get in to see her.
Moats appeared on ABC-TV's Good Morning America on Monday morning.
"I was afraid for ... [my wife] because he was pointing a gun at her," Ryan Moats said.
When Powell pulled him over, "I didn't realize what was going on at the time," Moats said. "Once I got out, I realized it was pretty serious.
"I understand about the red light, but I thought he'd have some kind of sympathy."
Tamishia Moats said the family has not heard from Powell personally.
"It would be comforting to get an apology from him," she said. "We definitely would accept his apology."
i hate cops
once, i sped up when the light turned yellow and then was in the intersection when the light turned red. why did i speed up? because it was raining and I wasn't sure if I'd be able to stop in time.
cops pull me over, and they make all of us (my friends and i) get out of the car. i call my dad to ask him where his registration card is in his car, cop gets pissed. they search the car; i know my rights but I figured I might as well let him search it since I had not been drinking. He let me go with a warning, but boy do cops enjoy taking advantage of teens. (yeah, moats isn't a teen, i'm just giving my opinion)
once, i sped up when the light turned yellow and then was in the intersection when the light turned red. why did i speed up? because it was raining and I wasn't sure if I'd be able to stop in time.
cops pull me over, and they make all of us (my friends and i) get out of the car. i call my dad to ask him where his registration card is in his car, cop gets pissed. they search the car; i know my rights but I figured I might as well let him search it since I had not been drinking. He let me go with a warning, but boy do cops enjoy taking advantage of teens. (yeah, moats isn't a teen, i'm just giving my opinion)
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And this is where the problem is.You are bound under law to control your speed at all times.If you can't...don't drive.If you come up to an intersection and your afraid you may not be able to stop in time and you end up running the light...its your fault.That's how the law looks at it.That's how I as a regular person would look at it.What if your attention is away from the light for a second and you turn around and its all of a sudden red?You still gonna run the light?Don't say no because you said a minute ago you didn't think you could stop when the light turned yellow.Have you all of a sudden found some way to stop now that the light is red?But you'd probably try anyway and then skitter to about halfway through the intersection.
Then all of a sudden a guy who was a good ways off when his light was still red speeds up because now he sees it turning green and before you have time to react he gets close and all of a sudden he sees you skittering out there and BOOM!He t-bones you.All because you couldn't control your speed.So now you caused an accident and its your fault by your own admission no matter if you stop or go ahead and run the light.My advice would be to stop running lights.Slow down when approaching an intersection maybe?
As for cops giving teens a hard time, well...there is good reason.A lot of the time teenagers are the highest risk drivers and they think they can do just about anything without getting in trouble or getting hurt.But there is nothing that is more of a buzz kill and really makes you cool your jets than getting pulled over.After that little pit stop...how many more lights did you run?Either way you answer that question proves my point.You either cooled your jets and paid a little more attention or you kept doing it just because you were pissed and, in that case, definitely deserved the first stop and maybe another to go along with it.
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It's good you got off with a warning. I love when cops pull out the search thing. My friend got pulled over, with myself and two others, and the cop said "Sorry, I thought your headlight was out buddy. You mind if I take a look in your car?" What a bleeping joke. My friend flipped out, which got me a little scared because I always feel you should never give a reason to a cop to dislike or suspect you. The officer backed down though and didn't search, just said "Go ahead, and stay out of trouble guys". Definitely agree they pick on teens. Some for the right reasons, some to get an easy bust or to flex muscle.J.O. said:
I was always taught - If you have to speed up to make it, you can just as easily slow down. Especially with some lights, where there's no delay between your yellow and their green. There's a few lights in my town where the split second your light goes red, their is green so that could be dangerous.
I drive an 89 Firebird (rearwheel) so I know you might be a little worried about wet roads, but I learned early speeding up can be as bad. It was my first car that i learned to drive on, so I hit the gas too hard for the first few times, and when that baby gets going
.I don't mean to lecture, I still consider myself a big kid for the most part. I'm 22 and my parents still beat safety advice into my head from time to time.
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You hate me?You don't even know me. :lol:
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Well that's a little harsh :?vaughn said:
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Well that's a little harsh :?[/quote:1bpf62z3]Card Magnet said:
I will still be able to sleep at night but I am not sure what I did to be on his bad side.I think he and a few others feel like I am trying to take up for a cop who crossed the line.I still think Powell went overboard and I would not argue that but I also think Moats was a bonehead about it too.But its just an opinion.All I can say is I have been pulled over before and I have also been in dire situations before and I have also been unecessarily messed with by cops as well.So with that experience in mind I feel its better to let them get their power trip over with so you can go about their business.Its just like when your in high school.There is always at least one teacher who is going to bust your balls and if you want you can sit there and argue back but in the end...they get the better of you.And in this story...Powell still got the better of Moats. :|
