lin vs. rubio

[Leaf]

Ill starT with a controversial statement:

Rubio > Lin

When Amare and Melo are both back to normal, this wont even be a debate...

But for now, discuss.... BG

p.s.- Lin has a great story but so did Cinderella, Micky Ward and Rick Ankiel

 

[Slette]

I'll take Rubio, too... homer pick, though. I will be curious to see if Lin is NY's next Victor Cruz or Kevin Maas.

 

[Bosox3]

Why does it even matter?? Its Really Pathetic....People can keep being haters all they want.
In the end the Knicks are winning and that's all that matters right now.

 

[WoundedDuck]

From a guy who doesn't care about the NBA, but still knows who everyone is, Lin has me watching more ESPN NBA highlights and checking the basketball section of FCB. Do I think he'll be a superstar for years to come? maybe not. Do I think he'll be better than Rubio? who cares. It's an exciting story and it's been fun to watch, even if it all goes down hill from here.

 

[Slette]

Why does it even matter?? Its Really Pathetic....People can keep being haters all they want.
In the end the Knicks are winning and that's all that matters right now.

Who is being a hater? It's a topic for discussion, and I haven't seen any "hate" yet. Just opinions.

 

[lisu]

Rubio is the better passer - Lin is the better driver. They both need to work on their outside shots (but Lin is better there). Rubio is a lot younger, so in the end, I think that Rubio > Lin. Right now though, Lin is outplaying Rubio.

 

[jdbrak]

Rubio is the better passer - Lin is the better driver. They both need to work on their outside shots (but Lin is better there). Rubio is a lot younger, so in the end, I think that Rubio > Lin. Right now though, Lin is outplaying Rubio.

2 years

 

[lisu]

Rubio is the better passer - Lin is the better driver. They both need to work on their outside shots (but Lin is better there). Rubio is a lot younger, so in the end, I think that Rubio > Lin. Right now though, Lin is outplaying Rubio.

2 years

that's a lot in NBA years.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I agree, Rubio long term over Lin.

Couple things to consider, and keep in mind that I'm not a Lin hater. I actually enjoy the story and excitement he's creating for the league. I thing he'll still be a good player, but there is no way he continues at this pace long term.

1. A Mike D'Antoni offense drastically improves the point guard play. The ball is always in his hands, and he wants a fast offensive game that results in more possessions (more points/assists). His offense can take an OK point guard and make them look great. Look at what happened with Duhon and Felton when they were with the Knicks.

Felton posted career numbers in points and assists, as did Duhon. Both bettered their career averages by about 4 points and 2.5 assists. Obviously, that's not an enormous upgrade so it still points to Lin being a good player. As Brian mentioned, his numbers now will drop when Stoudemire and Melo are back.

2. As a starter he's averaging 8.8 assists and 6.0 TO's a game. A 1.46 A/TO ratio is not going to cut it long term unless he is only looked at as a scoring PG. That's PF or C range, not starting point guard. This may be fixed with the return of Amare and Melo.

3. Rubio is younger, has less experience in the league, and is transitioning from an entirely different continent and style of basketball. 11 and 9 is pretty impressive considering those points, and he is averaging more steals and rebounds than Lin with less TO's in 5 less minutes per game.

 

[matfanofold]

Lin is without question a better fit for the Knicks.

He has a great skill set for a point guard, and with expierence he will incorporate better passing and floor vision. This is a no-brainer for anyone who actually watches and follows Lin(and the Knicks), he is the future of the Knicks with regards to taking point. Oh, and he is GREAT for the sport as well.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Lin is without question a better fit for the Knicks.

He has a great skill set for a point guard, and with expierence he will incorporate better passing and floor vision. This is a no-brainer for anyone who actually watches and follows Lin(and the Knicks), he is the future of the Knicks with regards to taking point. Oh, and he is GREAT for the sport as well.

Not sure that was the question, but while I picked Rubio over Lin I still agree with your comments.

 

[matfanofold]

p.s.- Lin has a great story but so did Cinderella, Micky Ward and Rick Ankiel

As did Mike Piazza...

 

[P_Manning 18]

All I heard during the offseason was the Knicks want to add CP3 and have a big 3. Isnt that what Lin is doing right now.... Amare came back last night and Lin had 11 ast. From what I have seen is that Lin knows how to get guys the ball. He will have 2 mega scorers to dish the ball to... His points will likely go down once Melo returns.... but if he can get 10-15 ast a game and add a few points too... he will be an All Star.

I think Rubio is the better long term player... but I really like Lin and what the Knicks can do when Melo gets back.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

All I heard during the offseason was the Knicks want to add CP3 and have a big 3. Isnt that what Lin is doing right now.... Amare came back last night and Lin had 11 ast. From what I have seen is that Lin knows how to get guys the ball. He will have 2 mega scorers to dish the ball to... His points will likely go down once Melo returns.... but if he can get 10-15 ast a game and add a few points too... he will be an All Star.

I think Rubio is the better long term player... but I really like Lin and what the Knicks can do when Melo gets back.

I'm all for this working out, but we're really putting this guy in the hall of fame for a couple weeks worth of games.

10-15 assists per game? He's in pretty elite company if he were to even get to 12 per game.

For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2011-12; qualified for Assists Per Game Leaderboard; requiring Assists Per Game >= 12; sorted by descending Assists Per Game.

Drop that to 11 apg and it's still a pretty impressive list of only 37 names since 1946-47.

 

[Exposfan]

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[Weimer]

Right now? Lin > Rubio. There's not many people in the NBA right now that are playing as well as or better than Jeremy Lin.

Overall? Rubio > Lin, especially long term.

 

[Anthony K.]

I agree, Rubio long term over Lin.

Couple things to consider, and keep in mind that I'm not a Lin hater. I actually enjoy the story and excitement he's creating for the league. I thing he'll still be a good player, but there is no way he continues at this pace long term.

1. A Mike D'Antoni offense drastically improves the point guard play. The ball is always in his hands, and he wants a fast offensive game that results in more possessions (more points/assists). His offense can take an OK point guard and make them look great. Look at what happened with Duhon and Felton when they were with the Knicks.

Felton posted career numbers in points and assists, as did Duhon. Both bettered their career averages by about 4 points and 2.5 assists. Obviously, that's not an enormous upgrade so it still points to Lin being a good player. As Brian mentioned, his numbers now will drop when Stoudemire and Melo are back.

2. As a starter he's averaging 8.8 assists and 6.0 TO's a game. A 1.46 A/TO ratio is not going to cut it long term unless he is only looked at as a scoring PG. That's PF or C range, not starting point guard. This may be fixed with the return of Amare and Melo.

3. Rubio is younger, has less experience in the league, and is transitioning from an entirely different continent and style of basketball. 11 and 9 is pretty impressive considering those points, and he is averaging more steals and rebounds than Lin with less TO's in 5 less minutes per game.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe Lin's TO will go down drastically once Carmelo is back.

Lin was basically THE guy the last 7 games (or is it 8 now?) and he has had to have the ball in his hands (holy alliteration) more than in any others' hands.

Carmelo will take the pressure off of that and will help Lin, because he will be great off of a screen and roll or screen and kick it out situation.

I could SERIOUSLY see Lin averaging 15 and 10-12 the REST of the season, with his TO's settling in around 3 per game (remember, this is basically his rookie season, so he does need some seasoning).

For the course of their career (to the topic at hand), I choose Rubio. For this season (and MAYBE next, depending on what Kahn does to that team in Minnesota), I choose Lin.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I agree, Rubio long term over Lin.

Couple things to consider, and keep in mind that I'm not a Lin hater. I actually enjoy the story and excitement he's creating for the league. I thing he'll still be a good player, but there is no way he continues at this pace long term.

1. A Mike D'Antoni offense drastically improves the point guard play. The ball is always in his hands, and he wants a fast offensive game that results in more possessions (more points/assists). His offense can take an OK point guard and make them look great. Look at what happened with Duhon and Felton when they were with the Knicks.

Felton posted career numbers in points and assists, as did Duhon. Both bettered their career averages by about 4 points and 2.5 assists. Obviously, that's not an enormous upgrade so it still points to Lin being a good player. As Brian mentioned, his numbers now will drop when Stoudemire and Melo are back.

2. As a starter he's averaging 8.8 assists and 6.0 TO's a game. A 1.46 A/TO ratio is not going to cut it long term unless he is only looked at as a scoring PG. That's PF or C range, not starting point guard. This may be fixed with the return of Amare and Melo.

3. Rubio is younger, has less experience in the league, and is transitioning from an entirely different continent and style of basketball. 11 and 9 is pretty impressive considering those points, and he is averaging more steals and rebounds than Lin with less TO's in 5 less minutes per game.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe Lin's TO will go down drastically once Carmelo is back.

Lin was basically THE guy the last 7 games (or is it 8 now?) and he has had to have the ball in his hands (holy alliteration) more than in any others' hands.

Carmelo will take the pressure off of that and will help Lin, because he will be great off of a screen and roll or screen and kick it out situation.

I could SERIOUSLY see Lin averaging 15 and 10-12 the REST of the season, with his TO's settling in around 3 per game (remember, this is basically his rookie season, so he does need some seasoning).

For the course of their career (to the topic at hand), I choose Rubio. For this season (and MAYBE next, depending on what Kahn does to that team in Minnesota), I choose Lin.

Yea, that's what I was thinking. He's scoring so much because the ball is always in his hands, which means higher turnovers. If he fixes the turnovers, it's because he isn't relied on as heavily and his scoring goes down. 15 and 10 is still a very good player, but people are hyping the 30-13 guy that can not last.

 

[Anthony K.]

I agree, Rubio long term over Lin.

Couple things to consider, and keep in mind that I'm not a Lin hater. I actually enjoy the story and excitement he's creating for the league. I thing he'll still be a good player, but there is no way he continues at this pace long term.

1. A Mike D'Antoni offense drastically improves the point guard play. The ball is always in his hands, and he wants a fast offensive game that results in more possessions (more points/assists). His offense can take an OK point guard and make them look great. Look at what happened with Duhon and Felton when they were with the Knicks.

Felton posted career numbers in points and assists, as did Duhon. Both bettered their career averages by about 4 points and 2.5 assists. Obviously, that's not an enormous upgrade so it still points to Lin being a good player. As Brian mentioned, his numbers now will drop when Stoudemire and Melo are back.

2. As a starter he's averaging 8.8 assists and 6.0 TO's a game. A 1.46 A/TO ratio is not going to cut it long term unless he is only looked at as a scoring PG. That's PF or C range, not starting point guard. This may be fixed with the return of Amare and Melo.

3. Rubio is younger, has less experience in the league, and is transitioning from an entirely different continent and style of basketball. 11 and 9 is pretty impressive considering those points, and he is averaging more steals and rebounds than Lin with less TO's in 5 less minutes per game.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe Lin's TO will go down drastically once Carmelo is back.

Lin was basically THE guy the last 7 games (or is it 8 now?) and he has had to have the ball in his hands (holy alliteration) more than in any others' hands.

Carmelo will take the pressure off of that and will help Lin, because he will be great off of a screen and roll or screen and kick it out situation.

I could SERIOUSLY see Lin averaging 15 and 10-12 the REST of the season, with his TO's settling in around 3 per game (remember, this is basically his rookie season, so he does need some seasoning).

For the course of their career (to the topic at hand), I choose Rubio. For this season (and MAYBE next, depending on what Kahn does to that team in Minnesota), I choose Lin.

Yea, that's what I was thinking. He's scoring so much because the ball is always in his hands, which means higher turnovers. If he fixes the turnovers, it's because he isn't relied on as heavily and his scoring goes down. 15 and 10 is still a very good player, but people are hyping the 30-13 guy that can not last.

No doubt on that.

Add to the mix now JR Smith? There is NO reason Lin shouldn't average 10+ assists per game. He will have FIVE legitimate guys to throw alley-oops to, two guys who can stroke it from 15+ feet and two big men who finish well around the basket. Not to mention, he's turning Steve Novak and Jared Jeffries into legitimate offensive players.

If he finishes the season averaging less than 10 assists a game, count me disappointed. He is a real deal PG, maybe not a legitimate cornerstone, but a good #2/#3 guy.

 

[markakis8]

JR Smith is a HUGE addition to the Knicks. Their perimeter game is just awful right now, which will improve when Carmelo and Smith get there.