Matt Weiters Razor Metal... Live

[beefycheddar]

[You can get this one for about a seventh of the price you can get a Donruss right now. Which one has better return potential at this point? I'd have to say it's easily the Razor at this point. Case in point, Evan Longoria. Every card of his is selling crazy now.

You haven't heard me knock the price beefy, not for a second.

Return potential, that is an interesting concept. Care to expand on that comment?

Let's say you buy one of his EEE autos right now and it goes for 150ish, or lets say you go and buy 5 at that price. That's 750, you take that same 750 and put it in to Razor Metal autos, you can get around 28 Metal autos for the same amount of money. What 750.00 will probably turn in to more money over all? I'd wager at this point it's the Razor, and it's not even close.

 

[JEA2880]

His Elite Autos #/799 routinely sell for $150 ... you can buy 5+ of these for the same price, with roughly the same print-run! The only difference is the egregious market saturation with the way these Razor Metals are distributed ... it makes it a very buyer-friendly environment. But in 5 years, when someone is looking for a Wieters RC Auto, they are going to have 2 options - Elite or Razor ... each with similar print runs. I actually think the Razor Metal is much more aesthetically pleasing, but it will really come down to whether or not Razor can establish itself as a player in the baseball card market and withstand the test of time. If it keeps pumping out quality products like this one, then I think in 5 years these two cards will be seen almost as equals.

Only problem, one is a 2007 release and the other a 2008. I agree these could be a huge flip in a few years, but the EEE always will be the preferred being a year earlier.

Card released May 26th, 2009.... and its a 2008 card? ::facepalm::

I gotta be honest, this made me laugh. Hate Razor or love them (I'm more or less indifferent), it does seem pretty ridiculous.

Edit: With that being said, I'm debating if I want to buy 1 or 10!

 

[beefycheddar]

You can get this one for about a seventh of the price you can get a Donruss right now. Which one has better return potential at this point? I'd have to say it's easily the Razor at this point. Case in point, Evan Longoria. Every pack pulled card of his is selling crazy now.

Fixed it for you.

Do you ever see QVC or HSN cards going for huge prices after they are sold on air?

What QVC or HSN card does Longoria even have? This would have been a good point if Don West was still selling cards not announcing wrestling. His ETopps auto has sold for good money, that was not pack pulled, and was just sold online.

 

[bballcardkid]

I'm just wondering how you could make money on this card beefy when chances are, this card will not sell out. Only chance would be if Wieters starts to "Longoria" / kill the ball once he is up, and after all of these sell out.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I thought cards like this were printed on a sheet? Seeing such widespread production numbers raises a red flag to me. Is there a whole sheet of Weiters alone? Without serial numbering I'd assume there are (were) 700 of each card made. I'm not trying to piss anyone off, but why would one (very in-demand) exclusive guy sign 700 copies of a card & another only sign a few dozen? As an industry-guy not much here makes sense to me, that's all.

I wonder whats up with all the Team USA GU jerseys?

First off, the addition of serial-numbering would have been tremendous for this product, and killed a lot of the potential speculation/conspiracy about this release.

That said, the Wieters was a "known" over-run BEFORE the release of these Metal autographs.

The two most logical explanations on how the Wieters was printed in a higher number are:

- This set was printed per player, per sheet. Therefore an entire press sheet would be one player and one player only, with about 30 cards per sheet. This would be a more expensive route than the second potential situation, and therefore doubtful.

- Wieters was placed multiple (probably 3) times on the multiple press sheets featuring roughly 30 "cards" per sheet. Therefore let's say the Metal autograph set is around 88 total players, Wieters would appear on the each press sheet, while other players only appeared once.

Make sense?

 

[P_Manning 18]

You can get this one for about a seventh of the price you can get a Donruss right now. Which one has better return potential at this point? I'd have to say it's easily the Razor at this point. Case in point, Evan Longoria. Every pack pulled card of his is selling crazy now.

Fixed it for you.

Do you ever see QVC or HSN cards going for huge prices after they are sold on air?

What QVC or HSN card does Longoria even have? This would have been a good point if Don West was still selling cards not announcing wrestling. His ETopps auto has sold for good money, that was not pack pulled, and was just sold online.

And those were offered up for sale for a short time too. Also only 95 exist. Whats the bigger number... 707 or 95? And whats shorter.... 30 days or 3 hours? I seriously doubt the Longoria lasted that long.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

What QVC or HSN card does Longoria even have? This would have been a good point if Don West was still selling cards not announcing wrestling. His ETopps auto has sold for good money, that was not pack pulled, and was just sold online.

The eTopps comparison isn't valid for the simple reason of the tiny availability of the eTopps autograph. Couple that with the fact that more people log on to eTopps daily than know Razor exists.

Completely different.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

What QVC or HSN card does Longoria even have? This would have been a good point if Don West was still selling cards not announcing wrestling. His ETopps auto has sold for good money, that was not pack pulled, and was just sold online.

The eTopps comparison isn't valid for the simple reason of the tiny availability of the eTopps autograph. Couple that with the fact that more people log on to eTopps daily than know Razor exists.

Completely different.

Are those people buying it for the etopps logo or the Longoria auto?

 

[Mudcatsfan]

lower buy in often equals better ROI if someone goes Pujols (01 UD vs 01 BC) Longoria (various low end vs BC) or Braun (same thing) in the bigs.

That being said, the elite is a 2007, the Razor is a 2009 that looks like a 2008, and 2005 Upper Deck is STILL his first best auto RC.

And yeah, razor will have to last another 3-5 years for the hobby as a whole to care. Tristar damn near made it, then Razor came outta nowhere and ruined them.

 

[kentuckyderby]

Mudcats, me like the USA!

 

[brianga26]

Bought.. ok, I bought one.. why not.. good hitting large catcher.. no harm right?

 

[tide12champrings]

Sandoval>Wieters

 

[matchpenalty]

Any idea what gold and blue auto print runs will be on this card? I thought the plan was to do the gold versions and blues before base. Very nice price point on these. I think they will sell out if the blue and gold runs are really short.

 

[allstars]

[First off, the addition of serial-numbering would have been tremendous for this product, and killed a lot of the potential speculation/conspiracy about this release.

This is the bottom line, or one of them anyway.

This is 2009. Cards of this nature should be serially-numbered. razor knows that. Numbering is older than every other card manufacturer's idea that razor has copied to this point.

Cards also need to be nationally distributed in packs. razor knows that too.

I think these cards are cool, but they are merely a gimmick.

there are lots of O's fans that might go on Ebay & buy one of the metal autos just "because". A sellout of 700 of them wouldn't suprise me at all. I feel that less than 50% of those buyers would really know what they are buying.

If someone REALLY believed in the potential of these cards, they'ed be gone already.

 

[jbone17]

Sandoval>Wieters

We'll see. :lol:

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Sandoval>Wieters

We'll see. :lol:

Almost the same age (with Wieters being a couple months older), I'll take the guy that has already played three positions in the MLB and hit over .300 than a AAA prospect about to make his debut.

Hobby impact? Wieters will top Sandoval, but baseball impact will probably go to Sandoval. Playing both corners and catcher while hitting .300 is a huge plus.

 

[allstars]

Sandoval>Wieters

We'll see. :lol:

Almost the same age (with Wieters being a couple months older), I'll take the guy that has already played three positions in the MLB and hit over .300 than a AAA prospect about to make his debut.

Hobby impact? Wieters will top Sandoval, but baseball impact will probably go to Sandoval. Playing both corners and catcher while hitting .300 is a huge plus.

I agree, but I can't wait to watch Weiters play. A really special catcher hasn't come along since Piazza imho. He's the best hitting catcher I ever got to watch.

 

[JEA2880]

Sandoval>Wieters

We'll see. :lol:

Almost the same age (with Wieters being a couple months older), I'll take the guy that has already played three positions in the MLB and hit over .300 than a AAA prospect about to make his debut.

Hobby impact? Wieters will top Sandoval, but baseball impact will probably go to Sandoval. Playing both corners and catcher while hitting .300 is a huge plus.

I agree, but I can't wait to watch Weiters play. A really special catcher hasn't come along since Piazza imho. He's the best hitting catcher I ever got to watch.

I think there's someone in Minnesota who has something to say about that...

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Sandoval>Wieters

We'll see. :lol:

Almost the same age (with Wieters being a couple months older), I'll take the guy that has already played three positions in the MLB and hit over .300 than a AAA prospect about to make his debut.

Hobby impact? Wieters will top Sandoval, but baseball impact will probably go to Sandoval. Playing both corners and catcher while hitting .300 is a huge plus.

I agree, but I can't wait to watch Weiters play. A really special catcher hasn't come along since Piazza imho. He's the best hitting catcher I ever got to watch.

Mauer is not only a better hitter than Piazza, but also a better catcher and overall athlete.

I understand opinions, but the facts lean toward Mauer right now. Clearly Mauer's health and longevity may come into play eventually, but right now...I'll take Mauer.

 

[allstars]

[I understand opinions, but the facts lean toward Mauer right now. Clearly Mauer's health and longevity may come into play eventually, but right now...I'll take Mauer.

Mauer's playing good...make that real good. If he's still playing good in a decade then we can compare him to Piazza (offensively anyway lol).