Michael Vick?

[kobe24/8]

Well, as a new member on here, I wanted to say my "welcome to everyone", by giving my opinion on this topic:

I am 39 yrs old, grew up a dog lover all of my life.. For 17 yrs of my life, I have raised champion Great Danes, and while I am now married, with a 5 month old daughter (first), I am not condoning what Vick did, but I am also going to give him the benefit of the doubt as well..

What he did/funded regarding these dogs, is imcomprehensible to me, but he was convicted in a court of law, sentenced to prison in Fort Levenworth, Kansas, one of the toughest prisons in the country, served his time, as mandated by the judge/prosecution. He completed that time, without incident, and was once again a member of his community..By those standards only(the law), to me he has served his justice.

On the football side of things, he was given a 2nd chance, at playing what he has the god-given talent to do. While most teams passed on him, Philly took a chance, and you know what?...Even though they got knocked out of the playoffs, by a better football team, Philly is a heck of alot better than, they would have been with Kevin Kolb, and Michael Vick has earned the right to get a decent contract( if they dont franchise him), and has made Philly a better football TEAM. While there will be some, who will never forgive what he has done, in his personal life, away from football, I say this...YOU CAN LEARN TO FORGIVE, BUT NEVER FORGET....I will never forget what he did, but I also have forgiven him, and there is NO doubt, he has made the Eagles a better football team, and I think kudos should be given to the whole Eagles organization for taking a chance, and becoming a better team, cause there are a whole lot of teams, that passed on him, that wished they had taken a chance...

On a personal level, sometimes in life, we dont understand why people do what they do, but in opinion, if u get time, serve it, learn from it, then I have no problem giving u a 2nd chance, and I think society should to...Let me ask all of you this:...


If you got a DUI when you were 21, and let's say 10 years has passed since, you are sober, gave up drinking, and you are a better person today, than you were then, do you think it's fair for society to still judge what you did as a 21 yr old, than a 35 year old man?..TIME heals all wounds guys...We are ALL better people now, than we were 5, 10, 15, 20 yrs ago...

Just my thoughts;
James

 

[gt2590]

I've always thought Leonard Little was the worst case scenario.

and don't forget Dante Stallworth's DWI when he ran down a guy crossing the street. Oh, he did have a significant suspension but also he's been on two teams since that incident.

 

[pigskincardboard]

I've always thought Leonard Little was the worst case scenario.

and don't forget Dante Stallworth's DWI when he ran down a guy crossing the street. Oh, he did have a significant suspension but also he's been on two teams since that incident.

Hah, I'm pretty sure Carruth takes the cake but he obviously didn't play a game after the incident.

When you start pissing in gatorade bottles and eating snickers with 4 grand worth of cash while hiding out in the trunk of your car, you win. the end. I don't know if the fact he was in Tennessee makes it any worse, but the cake is definitely his.

 

[RITM]

Not only was he in Tennessee I was living within 15 minutes of where he was caught. LOL

 

[gt2590]

I've always thought Leonard Little was the worst case scenario.

and don't forget Dante Stallworth's DWI when he ran down a guy crossing the street. Oh, he did have a significant suspension but also he's been on two teams since that incident.

Hah, I'm pretty sure Carruth takes the cake but he obviously didn't play a game after the incident.

When you start pissing in gatorade bottles and eating snickers with 4 grand worth of cash while hiding out in the trunk of your car, you win. the end. I don't know if the fact he was in Tennessee makes it any worse, but the cake is definitely his.

Yeah, I meant players who returned to the field after terrible crimes.

I couldn't find the info online, but I think Carruth is eligible to be released in about 6 years. And his son, who was born after his mom was dying, has suffered from brain damage his whole life.

 

[Weatherwarrior]

Well I will say this much While I am against fighting dogs and torturing of animals remember a few things:

1. Some Societies and cultures look toward k9's as a food source and actively participate in this indulgence.

2. Would those against torturing an animal feel the same had that Animal killed one of your family members? (Not that Vicks Dogs did this)

3. A little over 9 and half years ago on 9/11 everyone I know wished a slow and painful death for all those involved in committing those atrocities against our nation.

4. This Weekend I sat wondering if someone in Arizona was methodically beating the jerk that shot up that political rally killing all those people.

What I am basically getting at is that Everyone has a point at which they snap and torture or abuse of Animals/Humans is acceptable. Some people like those who actively participate in Dog Fights have no feelings for the animals and thus could care less as to the outcome. Others, would only harm animals if they or their own were in danger. Just depends on individuals I guess. I will Say this Much I am more concerned with the amount of money our Government spends in investigating, indicting, and convicting Athletes than what is spent on bringing real crooks to justice like those in big business that helped bring our nation to its economic knees.

Either Way Leon your opinion and points are Valid and Strong some people just care more for animals than others. Unfortunately this topic is about those that have no feelings!

 

[PhillyPuckNut]

Well I will say this much While I am against fighting dogs and torturing of animals remember a few things:

1. Some Societies and cultures look toward k9's as a food source and actively participate in this indulgence.

2. Would those against torturing an animal feel the same had that Animal killed one of your family members? (Not that Vicks Dogs did this)

3. A little over 9 and half years ago on 9/11 everyone I know wished a slow and painful death for all those involved in committing those atrocities against our nation.

4. This Weekend I sat wondering if someone in Arizona was methodically beating the jerk that shot up that political rally killing all those people.

What I am basically getting at is that Everyone has a point at which they snap and torture or abuse of Animals/Humans is acceptable. Some people like those who actively participate in Dog Fights have no feelings for the animals and thus could care less as to the outcome. Others, would only harm animals if they or their own were in danger. Just depends on individuals I guess. I will Say this Much I am more concerned with the amount of money our Government spends in investigating, indicting, and convicting Athletes than what is spent on bringing real crooks to justice like those in big business that helped bring our nation to its economic knees.

Either Way Leon your opinion and points are Valid and Strong some people just care more for animals than others. Unfortunately this topic is about those that have no feelings!

The bolded parts are the only thing you said that made any pucking sense.

People don't "snap" and think the torture of animals is acceptable. People are raised to believe that this is appropriate behavior. Vick said it himself that he was raised that this was acceptable. But your reply to me saying that will probably be that if I believe that, I'm stupid, dense, or whatever.

Fact, and this is fact not opinion, of the matter is, we don't live in a country that considers animals to be revered, holy symbols. There are cultures that do this, but we're not one of them. Most of us treat our pets as companions and parts of our families. Then there's the rest who train them to fight or abuse them. Until there are stricter penalties for abuse of animals, people will continue to do it.

But comparing Vick who killed dogs to people who get drunk, get behind the wheel, and kill people? What are you, new?

Besides, Eagles are out of the playoffs. Why are you even still dragging this out?

 

[Weatherwarrior]

Well I will say this much While I am against fighting dogs and torturing of animals remember a few things:

1. Some Societies and cultures look toward k9's as a food source and actively participate in this indulgence.

2. Would those against torturing an animal feel the same had that Animal killed one of your family members? (Not that Vicks Dogs did this)

3. A little over 9 and half years ago on 9/11 everyone I know wished a slow and painful death for all those involved in committing those atrocities against our nation.

4. This Weekend I sat wondering if someone in Arizona was methodically beating the jerk that shot up that political rally killing all those people.

What I am basically getting at is that Everyone has a point at which they snap and torture or abuse of Animals/Humans is acceptable. Some people like those who actively participate in Dog Fights have no feelings for the animals and thus could care less as to the outcome. Others, would only harm animals if they or their own were in danger. Just depends on individuals I guess. I will Say this Much I am more concerned with the amount of money our Government spends in investigating, indicting, and convicting Athletes than what is spent on bringing real crooks to justice like those in big business that helped bring our nation to its economic knees.

Either Way Leon your opinion and points are Valid and Strong some people just care more for animals than others. Unfortunately this topic is about those that have no feelings!

The bolded parts are the only thing you said that made any pucking sense.

People don't "snap" and think the torture of animals is acceptable. People are raised to believe that this is appropriate behavior. Vick said it himself that he was raised that this was acceptable. But your reply to me saying that will probably be that if I believe that, I'm stupid, dense, or whatever.

Fact, and this is fact not opinion, of the matter is, we don't live in a country that considers animals to be revered, holy symbols. There are cultures that do this, but we're not one of them. Most of us treat our pets as companions and parts of our families. Then there's the rest who train them to fight or abuse them. Until there are stricter penalties for abuse of animals, people will continue to do it.

But comparing Vick who killed dogs to people who get drunk, get behind the wheel, and kill people? What are you, new?

Besides, Eagles are out of the playoffs. Why are you even still dragging this out?

First of All I am not new And while this country may not revere their animals as holy symbols they do revere them in many ways. And I was Just looking through past post and thought this one was interesting I didn't know there was something wrong with that.

Since you apparently think that nothing made sense Ill sum up what I was trying to say. People under extremely tense and stressful situations do irrational things it happens daily in this world. thats all I was saying. The greatest Humanitarian or animal lover under the right circumstances could "Snap" and go completely against their beliefs. I wasn't looking for an argument Just commenting on a board members post that was all.

Pucknut I agree with you until the Justice system gets straightened out crimes like the ones dog fighters commit will continue to go as a slap on the wrist.

 

[PhillyPuckNut]

Well I will say this much While I am against fighting dogs and torturing of animals remember a few things:

1. Some Societies and cultures look toward k9's as a food source and actively participate in this indulgence.

2. Would those against torturing an animal feel the same had that Animal killed one of your family members? (Not that Vicks Dogs did this)

3. A little over 9 and half years ago on 9/11 everyone I know wished a slow and painful death for all those involved in committing those atrocities against our nation.

4. This Weekend I sat wondering if someone in Arizona was methodically beating the jerk that shot up that political rally killing all those people.

What I am basically getting at is that Everyone has a point at which they snap and torture or abuse of Animals/Humans is acceptable. Some people like those who actively participate in Dog Fights have no feelings for the animals and thus could care less as to the outcome. Others, would only harm animals if they or their own were in danger. Just depends on individuals I guess. I will Say this Much I am more concerned with the amount of money our Government spends in investigating, indicting, and convicting Athletes than what is spent on bringing real crooks to justice like those in big business that helped bring our nation to its economic knees.

Either Way Leon your opinion and points are Valid and Strong some people just care more for animals than others. Unfortunately this topic is about those that have no feelings!

The bolded parts are the only thing you said that made any pucking sense.

People don't "snap" and think the torture of animals is acceptable. People are raised to believe that this is appropriate behavior. Vick said it himself that he was raised that this was acceptable. But your reply to me saying that will probably be that if I believe that, I'm stupid, dense, or whatever.

Fact, and this is fact not opinion, of the matter is, we don't live in a country that considers animals to be revered, holy symbols. There are cultures that do this, but we're not one of them. Most of us treat our pets as companions and parts of our families. Then there's the rest who train them to fight or abuse them. Until there are stricter penalties for abuse of animals, people will continue to do it.

But comparing Vick who killed dogs to people who get drunk, get behind the wheel, and kill people? What are you, new?

Besides, Eagles are out of the playoffs. Why are you even still dragging this out?

First of All I am not new and secondly If your child was killed by an animal say your dog or your neighbors dog you are seriously telling me me you would be compassionate toward the dog? And while this country may not revere their animals as holy symbols they do revere them in many ways. And I was Just looking through past post and thought this one was interesting I didn't know there was something wrong with that.

Since you apparently think that nothing made sense Ill sum up what I was trying to say. People under extremely tense and stressful situations do irrational things it happens daily in this world. thats all I was saying. The greatest Humanitarian or animal lover could under the right circumstances could "Snap" and go completely against their beliefs. I wasn't looking for an argument Just commenting on a board members post that was all.

And Pucknut I agree with you until the Justice system gets straightened out crimes like the ones dog Fighters commit will continue to go as a slap on the wrist.

Right, but Vick didn't snap and torture dogs. Noone involved in dogfighting or those who leave their dog outside through blinding heat, blistering cold, rain, snow, and whatever else nature can throw at them does it because they snap. They do it because they're stupid or greedy.

Oh, if a dog grabbed a hold of my kid, I'd kick the hell out of it or grab a blunt object and beat on it until it let my kid go.

That was my overall point, not everything I said was directed at you. I should have made that more clear.

We as people are above animals. What about the thousands of people who are killed by drunk drivers every year? What about the thousands of men and women who die from domestic abuse every year? Gun related deaths? Drug overdoses? Medical Malpractice? Factory Mistakes? Lead Paint? Suboptimal Living Conditions? Homelessness? War? ANIMAL ATTACKS?

Are you getting where I'm going here?

Where was all this hate when athletes kill people and come back into their respective leagues? Come down from the trees people. Forget the dogs, whales, and whatever else for 2 minutes and save the people.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't completely read your post. Slap on the wrist? Vick did 2 years!

 

[Weatherwarrior]

Well I will say this much While I am against fighting dogs and torturing of animals remember a few things:

1. Some Societies and cultures look toward k9's as a food source and actively participate in this indulgence.

2. Would those against torturing an animal feel the same had that Animal killed one of your family members? (Not that Vicks Dogs did this)

3. A little over 9 and half years ago on 9/11 everyone I know wished a slow and painful death for all those involved in committing those atrocities against our nation.

4. This Weekend I sat wondering if someone in Arizona was methodically beating the jerk that shot up that political rally killing all those people.

What I am basically getting at is that Everyone has a point at which they snap and torture or abuse of Animals/Humans is acceptable. Some people like those who actively participate in Dog Fights have no feelings for the animals and thus could care less as to the outcome. Others, would only harm animals if they or their own were in danger. Just depends on individuals I guess. I will Say this Much I am more concerned with the amount of money our Government spends in investigating, indicting, and convicting Athletes than what is spent on bringing real crooks to justice like those in big business that helped bring our nation to its economic knees.

Either Way Leon your opinion and points are Valid and Strong some people just care more for animals than others. Unfortunately this topic is about those that have no feelings!

The bolded parts are the only thing you said that made any pucking sense.

People don't "snap" and think the torture of animals is acceptable. People are raised to believe that this is appropriate behavior. Vick said it himself that he was raised that this was acceptable. But your reply to me saying that will probably be that if I believe that, I'm stupid, dense, or whatever.

Fact, and this is fact not opinion, of the matter is, we don't live in a country that considers animals to be revered, holy symbols. There are cultures that do this, but we're not one of them. Most of us treat our pets as companions and parts of our families. Then there's the rest who train them to fight or abuse them. Until there are stricter penalties for abuse of animals, people will continue to do it.

But comparing Vick who killed dogs to people who get drunk, get behind the wheel, and kill people? What are you, new?

Besides, Eagles are out of the playoffs. Why are you even still dragging this out?

First of All I am not new and secondly If your child was killed by an animal say your dog or your neighbors dog you are seriously telling me me you would be compassionate toward the dog? And while this country may not revere their animals as holy symbols they do revere them in many ways. And I was Just looking through past post and thought this one was interesting I didn't know there was something wrong with that.

Since you apparently think that nothing made sense Ill sum up what I was trying to say. People under extremely tense and stressful situations do irrational things it happens daily in this world. thats all I was saying. The greatest Humanitarian or animal lover could under the right circumstances could "Snap" and go completely against their beliefs. I wasn't looking for an argument Just commenting on a board members post that was all.

And Pucknut I agree with you until the Justice system gets straightened out crimes like the ones dog Fighters commit will continue to go as a slap on the wrist.

Right, but Vick didn't snap and torture dogs. Noone involved in dogfighting or those who leave their dog outside through blinding heat, blistering cold, rain, snow, and whatever else nature can throw at them does it because they snap. They do it because they're stupid or greedy.

Oh, if a dog grabbed a hold of my kid, I'd kick the hell out of it or grab a blunt object and beat on it until it let my kid go.

That was my overall point, not everything I said was directed at you. I should have made that more clear.

We as people are above animals. What about the thousands of people who are killed by drunk drivers every year? What about the thousands of men and women who die from domestic abuse every year? Gun related deaths? Drug overdoses? Medical Malpractice? Factory Mistakes? Lead Paint? Suboptimal Living Conditions? Homelessness? War? ANIMAL ATTACKS?

Are you getting where I'm going here?

Where was all this hate when athletes kill people and come back into their respective leagues? Come down from the trees people. Forget the dogs, whales, and whatever else for 2 minutes and save the people.

I do see what your saying and your last line is one of my favorites that is basically what i was saying which is the same people who care so much for animals care (in some cases) infinitely less about people. Which is sad!

And yeah Vick Did 2 years(got out at 19 months) What I am tired of is the good Behavior BS. If Had Been on Good Behavior beforehand then he would still be a Falcon.

 

[PhillyPuckNut]

I do see what your saying and your last line is one of my favorites that is basically what i was saying which is the same people who care so much for animals care (in some cases) infinitely less about people. Which is sad!

I blame that on the flouride and uranium in the water, whatever it is they're putting in the bottled water, and vaccinations.

 

[charliehustle]

Fine, as long as this eye-for-an-eye punishment can be extended to other aspects of life. For example, the next time Burge, Moser, or Susor trims a card, we should trim off one of their fingers

Not to sound dumb by asking this, but who are these guys in bold? Ive heard of Burge but not the others...