Might Cabrera win the Triple Crown and not win the MVP Award?

[MansGame]

Ted Williams won the Triple Crown TWICE, in '42 and '47.
Neither year did he win the MVP award. ('42: Gordon, '47: DiMaggio)

He also didn't win the MVP when he hit .406 in '41. (DiMaggio's 56-game hit streak season)

Great point.

 

[P_Manning 18]

At this point he doesnt need the triple crown to win the Mvp. He will win it regardless!

It's all about...what have you done for me lately.

Mike Trout has tailed off and Miguel Cabrera has been lights out.

Last 28 days.

Mike Trout .263 3HR 7RBI .374SLG% 21R in 24 games

Miguel Cabrera .372 9HR 24 RBI .767SLG % 18R in 23 games


That's why I picked Miggy earlier in a MVP thread... he knew he was going to be consistant... the only question was... could Trout keep up the same pace.... and he clearly hasnt.

 

[All The Hype]

It's all about...what have you done for me lately.

Mike Trout has tailed off and Miguel Cabrera has been lights out.

Last 28 days.

Mike Trout .263 3HR 7RBI .374SLG% 21R in 24 games

Miguel Cabrera .372 9HR 24 RBI .767SLG % 18R in 23 games


That's why I picked Miggy earlier in a MVP thread... he knew he was going to be consistant... the only question was... could Trout keep up the same pace.... and he clearly hasnt.

Trout's Average 1 Month Ago: .343
Trout's Average Now: .327

Cabrera's Average 1 Month Ago: .331
Cabrera's Average Now: .333

 

[alwayson22]

Miguel Cabrera is a beast, but defense and baserunning matter. The advanced metrics all say that Mike Trout has created more runs on offense (in fewer ABs) and saved far more runs on defense.

I look at it this way. Let's say there was a draft for 2012 only and all players were available. If every major league GM had a crystal ball and knew how Mike Trout and Miguel Cabrera would perform in 2012, I believe every major league GM would pick Mike Trout over Miguel Cabrera because Mike Trout's 2012 season would produce more value for their team than Miguel Cabrera's 2012 season.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

Miguel Cabrera is a beast, but defense and baserunning matter. The advanced metrics all say that Mike Trout has created more runs on offense (in fewer ABs) and saved far more runs on defense.

I look at it this way. Let's say there was a draft for 2012 only and all players were available. If every major league GM had a crystal ball and knew how Mike Trout and Miguel Cabrera would perform in 2012, I believe every major league GM would pick Mike Trout over Miguel Cabrera because Mike Trout's 2012 season would produce more value for their team than Miguel Cabrera's 2012 season.

I agree Defense and baserunning count but thats why there is a gold glove award for defense. Isnt the MVP award based soley on offensive production? Not only that I doubt all voters are all in with advanced metrics. Another thing they will consider is how they both ended the season. The fact that Trout has dropped says alot and is conceivable that had he started the season from day 1 he would have dropped months ago as more grind on his body. Not only that Albert Pujols has been a better player since allstar break than Trout (I havent checked numbers but seems like it). I doubt Gm's would choose Trout over Miggy with them knowing how Miggy has played the last 9 years. They know that in 2013 Miggy Will put up big numbers and as for Trout?? Most the Gms would not gamble even knowing that Trout would have 1 good year against Miggy. Ive said this before but now that Albert Pujols has settled in i will not be the least bit suprised that he will be the best player on the Angels the Next 2-3 years, just watch. JMO

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

I agree Defense and baserunning count but thats why there is a gold glove award for defense. Isnt the MVP award based soley on offensive production? Not only that I doubt all voters are all in with advanced metrics. Another thing they will consider is how they both ended the season. The fact that Trout has dropped says alot and is conceivable that had he started the season from day 1 he would have dropped months ago as more grind on his body. Not only that Albert Pujols has been a better player since allstar break than Trout (I havent checked numbers but seems like it). I doubt Gm's would choose Trout over Miggy with them knowing how Miggy has played the last 9 years. They know that in 2013 Miggy Will put up big numbers and as for Trout?? Most the Gms would not gamble even knowing that Trout would have 1 good year against Miggy. Ive said this before but now that Albert Pujols has settled in i will not be the least bit suprised that he will be the best player on the Angels the Next 2-3 years, just watch. JMO

Its easy to forget, but the MVP isn't just for offensive production because pitchers can win it.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

Its easy to forget, but the MVP isn't just for offensive production because pitchers can win it.

Good point unique but dont they only consider that with batters? I honestly dont know.

 

[Lars]

Its easy to forget, but the MVP isn't just for offensive production because pitchers can win it.

But it generally goes to a hitter and there is some teeth gnashing if a pitcher is even involved in the discussion.

 

[elmalo]

Braun was 4th in the NL last year in War and he won the MVP.

 

[UMich92]

It's all about...what have you done for me lately.

Mike Trout has tailed off and Miguel Cabrera has been lights out.

Last 28 days.

Mike Trout .263 3HR 7RBI .374SLG% 21R in 24 games

Miguel Cabrera .372 9HR 24 RBI .767SLG % 18R in 23 games


That's why I picked Miggy earlier in a MVP thread... he knew he was going to be consistant... the only question was... could Trout keep up the same pace.... and he clearly hasnt.

I think the race is close enough that September stats and whether their team makes the playoffs will tip the scales. Right now September stats favors Cabrera while both the Tigers and Angels are 3 back of a playoff spot.

 

[alwayson22]

I agree Defense and baserunning count but thats why there is a gold glove award for defense. Isnt the MVP award based soley on offensive production? Not only that I doubt all voters are all in with advanced metrics. Another thing they will consider is how they both ended the season. The fact that Trout has dropped says alot and is conceivable that had he started the season from day 1 he would have dropped months ago as more grind on his body. Not only that Albert Pujols has been a better player since allstar break than Trout (I havent checked numbers but seems like it). I doubt Gm's would choose Trout over Miggy with them knowing how Miggy has played the last 9 years. They know that in 2013 Miggy Will put up big numbers and as for Trout?? Most the Gms would not gamble even knowing that Trout would have 1 good year against Miggy. Ive said this before but now that Albert Pujols has settled in i will not be the least bit suprised that he will be the best player on the Angels the Next 2-3 years, just watch. JMO

The point regarding the GM draft is that it would be for 2012 only and I believe the GMs, knowing the 2012 numbers in advance, would unanimously take Trout over Cabrera. The MVP award should not take into account pre- or post-2012 production. It is strictly an award for the best overall player in the American League for 2012. IMO, it is Trout.

Also in reply to your post, these are the post all-star break stats for Trout and Pujols (Pujols is already back to beastmode and I agree he will be a monster in 2013):
Mike Trout = .313/.395/.554 15hr-37rbi-61r-20sb
Albert Pujols = .302/.353/.617 16hr-45rbi-36r-2sb

There is an award solely for offensive production. It is the Silver Slugger.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

The point regarding the GM draft is that it would be for 2012 only and I believe the GMs, knowing the 2012 numbers in advance, would unanimously take Trout over Cabrera. The MVP award should not take into account pre- or post-2012 production. It is strictly an award for the best overall player in the American League for 2012. IMO, it is Trout.

Also in reply to your post, these are the post all-star break stats for Trout and Pujols (Pujols is already back to beastmode and I agree he will be a monster in 2013):
Mike Trout = .313/.395/.554 15hr-37rbi-61r-20sb
Albert Pujols = .302/.353/.617 16hr-45rbi-36r-2sb

There is an award solely for offensive production. It is the Silver Slugger.

Thank you and that makes sense with the GM senerio. I really think its gonna come down to the voters finally giving Cabrera his due if Trout is for real he will have many years to win the award. As malo said earlier Braun was 4th in War when he won it.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

And not meaning this towards you Always but i have a feeling the only poeple that want Trout to win are people still holding his cards ::facepalm::
I shoulnt say everyone but most.

 

[alwayson22]

And not meaning this towards you Always but i have a feeling the only poeple that want Trout to win are people still holding his cards ::facepalm::
I shoulnt say everyone but most.

Ha! I don't have any Trouts (not even a base) because my collections are pretty specific, but I do agree that people heavily invested in Trout are sitting on a pile of money if Trout sweeps MVP, ROY, and Gold Glove.

I should add that I don't think it would be egregious at all if Cabrera won the MVP. He is a ridiculously talented player having another MVP-caliber season in the prime of a Hall of Fame career.

 

[elmalo]

I think Cabrera is more valuable to the Tigers than Trout is to the Angels.

 

[Lars]

I think Cabrera is more valuable to the Tigers than Trout is to the Angels.

The entire Angels fan base would disagree with your assumption - Angels would not be sniffing around for postseason play without what Trout has done this year.

 

[nborton]

That was also back in the days where it wasn't all that uncommon to see a Triple Crown. It has been 45 years since anyone has done it, which makes it a much bigger accomplishment today than it was then.

This was my thinking as well. The last 3 did, and given it hasn't happened in sooooo long I really doubt anyone wouldn't get it now.

Also, I'm not sure why Ted Williams didn't get the MVP over DiMaggio other than maybe the fact they finished third, while the Yankees won it. Their seasons aren't even close to equal.

DiMaggio: .315, 20 HRs 97 RBI
Williams: .356, 36 HRs, 137 RBI

 

[elmalo]

The entire Angels fan base would disagree with your assumption - Angels would not be sniffing around for postseason play without what Trout has done this year.

And niether would the Tigers.

 

[nborton]

Also, defense included or not, when was the last MVP that factored in D? It never happens. Go back and look at the MVP history. There's only 2-3 guys on the AL list going back 30 years who were even good at defense.

Not only that, but people just assume he's been horrible at third. Which isn't true. Does he get to every last ball that other quicker guys get too? No. However, he isn't playing as bad as people think.

Right now the AL third base fielding % leaders with at least 100 games played at third are:

Moustakas: .974
Beltre: .972
Cabrera: .963
Seager: .962
Lawrie: .960

 

[KOBEARODLT]

this exactly, hes solid at third base, now he doesnt get to the balls top notch defenders get to but people who dont watch the tigers regularly are acting like he cant even field a ground ball because of his size/speed.....

Also, defense included or not, when was the last MVP that factored in D? It never happens. Go back and look at the MVP history. There's only 2-3 guys on the AL list going back 30 years who were even good at defense.

Not only that, but people just assume he's been horrible at third. Which isn't true. Does he get to every last ball that other quicker guys get too? No. However, he isn't playing as bad as people think.

Right now the AL third base fielding % leaders with at least 100 games played at third are:

Moustakas: .974
Beltre: .972
Cabrera: .963
Seager: .962
Lawrie: .960