Miguel Cabrera Is the Best Hitter in Baseball This Year

[MorneauMVP33]

The difference is 5 HR and 10 RBI by the way...and the discussion is not talking about where Morneau may or may not end the season or career numbers, it's this season, and so far this season, Morneau is the best hitter in baseball with a few others close behind him.

Says "MorneauMVP33" :lol:

Just so you know, Cano has:

16 More hits than Morneau
1 Less Home Run
6 More RBIs
7 more runs scored

Csno has a .371 avg. Morneau: .357

How exactly is Morneau the best hitter in baseball.

Say's the guy who is a Yankee fan...

I know what Cano's numbers are, drafted him for all my fantasy teams, guy is a stud, not taking anything away from him...Cano has 35 more AB's than Morneau, so I hope he has more hits than Morneau. Morneau is .357/.467/.648, Cano .371/.414/.604...does OBP and SLG get tossed out the book when talking about how a player is hitting?

Hell, Twins fans will say its Morneau, Tigers fan will say its Cabrera, Yankees fans will say Cano, and every once in a while a KC fan will stick up for Billy Butler...all 3 guys are having a great season, to say any one of them is head and shoulders above another is preposterous, I just happen to think that Morneau is having the best.

 

[hail2thevictors]

Which makes it very sad to see him in third place for All Star voting.

At least Morneau passed Teixeira for the 1B lead.

Speaking of Morneau, what puts Cabrera ahead of him? I think it's pretty clear that Morneau's BABIP will regress but if we're just judging the numbers, Morneau is having a better season. I'm sure Cano's got his fair share of regression to undergo as well but everyone always has that random outlier year.

With that said, 3 incredibly hitters and I think Cabrera finishes up with the best numbers by a smidgen.

6 more hrs and 13 more rbi's i would say puts him ahead of morneau, and morneau will end the season right around 300 and maybe lower in average considering his career avg is 285..

The difference is 5 HR and 10 RBI by the way...and the discussion is not talking about where Morneau may or may not end the season or career numbers, it's this season, and so far this season, Morneau is the best hitter in baseball with a few others close behind him.

Are you kidding me? Please, do yourself a favor-and check the facts, they aren't biased!

Miguel Cabrera-230 AB, 19 HR, 56 RBI, .330 Avg
Justin Morneau-214 AB, 13 HR, 43 RBI, .350 Avg
Robinson Cano-248 AB, 13 HR, 47 RBI, .371 Avg

I vote Miguel Cabrera-I will say this for sure, it's not between Morneau and Cabrera, it's between Cabrera and Cano. Why do I side with Miggy? He has hit at least 4 of these 19 HR's in the 8th/9th inning to either tie a game or go ahead. The guy is absolutely CLUTCH so far. That gives him the edge for me. Here is what I remember:

@KC-HR in 9th to tie game w/2 outs
@ANA-HR in 9th to tie game w/2 outs
@TEX-HR in 9th to go up by 1(was a tie game)
PIT-HR in 8th to go up by 2

For some reason I think I'm forgetting 1 or 2, but not sure. And he doesn't have the luxury of Joe Mauer hitting in his lineup, either. The Tigers lineup, especially behind him, has been rather lackluster(outside of a few HR's by Boesch).

What is scary, is he has a legit shot at a triple crown this year.

 

[MorneauMVP33]

im pretty sure its 13 and 6 man, i just looked on espn...and how is morneau a better hitter than triple crown contender?

also, i would take cano ahead of morneau as well

[quote="pigskincardboard":hq56z6ah][quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":hq56z6ah]Which makes it very sad to see him in third place for All Star voting.

At least Morneau passed Teixeira for the 1B lead.

Speaking of Morneau, what puts Cabrera ahead of him? I think it's pretty clear that Morneau's BABIP will regress but if we're just judging the numbers, Morneau is having a better season. I'm sure Cano's got his fair share of regression to undergo as well but everyone always has that random outlier year.

With that said, 3 incredibly hitters and I think Cabrera finishes up with the best numbers by a smidgen.

6 more hrs and 13 more rbi's i would say puts him ahead of morneau, and morneau will end the season right around 300 and maybe lower in average considering his career avg is 285..

The difference is 5 HR and 10 RBI by the way...and the discussion is not talking about where Morneau may or may not end the season or career numbers, it's this season, and so far this season, Morneau is the best hitter in baseball with a few others close behind him.

Didn't notice that Cabrera hit a 3R HR today, my bad on that, if Cabrera is a Triple Crown contender then you have to put Morneau in that category as well.[/quote:hq56z6ah]

No, Justin Morneau will never win a batting title. He has hit over .300 twice in seven big league seasons. He will never get close, that is the man that bats third in the order job. I am sorry man I know your a big Morneau fan and no doubt he is off to a good start like all the guys' mentioned in this thread, but he is not a triple crown contender. Miggy ls a very special blend and is one of the few guys' that can do it all at the plate.[/quote:hq56z6ah]

Again, at this point in the season, he is right there with Cabrera, that may or may not change by the end of the season...

 

[KOBEARODLT]

im pretty sure its 13 and 6 man, i just looked on espn...and how is morneau a better hitter than triple crown contender?

also, i would take cano ahead of morneau as well

[quote="KOBEARODLT":3k0u0681][quote="pigskincardboard":3k0u0681][quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":3k0u0681]Which makes it very sad to see him in third place for All Star voting.

At least Morneau passed Teixeira for the 1B lead.

Speaking of Morneau, what puts Cabrera ahead of him? I think it's pretty clear that Morneau's BABIP will regress but if we're just judging the numbers, Morneau is having a better season. I'm sure Cano's got his fair share of regression to undergo as well but everyone always has that random outlier year.

With that said, 3 incredibly hitters and I think Cabrera finishes up with the best numbers by a smidgen.

6 more hrs and 13 more rbi's i would say puts him ahead of morneau, and morneau will end the season right around 300 and maybe lower in average considering his career avg is 285..

The difference is 5 HR and 10 RBI by the way...and the discussion is not talking about where Morneau may or may not end the season or career numbers, it's this season, and so far this season, Morneau is the best hitter in baseball with a few others close behind him.

Didn't notice that Cabrera hit a 3R HR today, my bad on that, if Cabrera is a Triple Crown contender then you have to put Morneau in that category as well.[/quote:3k0u0681]

No, Justin Morneau will never win a batting title. He has hit over .300 twice in seven big league seasons. He will never get close, that is the man that bats third in the order job. I am sorry man I know your a big Morneau fan and no doubt he is off to a good start like all the guys' mentioned in this thread, but he is not a triple crown contender. Miggy ls a very special blend and is one of the few guys' that can do it all at the plate.[/quote:3k0u0681]

Again, at this point in the season, he is right there with Cabrera, that may or may not change by the end of the season...[/quote:3k0u0681]

how is he right there...hes 13 rbis and 6 hrs behind

 

[miguelcabrera]

anyone buying tt autos? im selling mine for 2k

 

[miguelcabrera]

last raw tt auto sold for 360 plus

glad i picked up mine for 250 and 210 (kicking myself for selling one of the two but not too much since it funded the ginter sketch purchase)


glad i just picked up my 2nd copy of the 2000 mystery auto for 6 dlvd

 

[MorneauMVP33]

im pretty sure its 13 and 6 man, i just looked on espn...and how is morneau a better hitter than triple crown contender?

also, i would take cano ahead of morneau as well

[quote="MorneauMVP33":23jamp1z][quote="KOBEARODLT":23jamp1z][quote="pigskincardboard":23jamp1z][quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":23jamp1z]Which makes it very sad to see him in third place for All Star voting.

At least Morneau passed Teixeira for the 1B lead.

Speaking of Morneau, what puts Cabrera ahead of him? I think it's pretty clear that Morneau's BABIP will regress but if we're just judging the numbers, Morneau is having a better season. I'm sure Cano's got his fair share of regression to undergo as well but everyone always has that random outlier year.

With that said, 3 incredibly hitters and I think Cabrera finishes up with the best numbers by a smidgen.

6 more hrs and 13 more rbi's i would say puts him ahead of morneau, and morneau will end the season right around 300 and maybe lower in average considering his career avg is 285..

The difference is 5 HR and 10 RBI by the way...and the discussion is not talking about where Morneau may or may not end the season or career numbers, it's this season, and so far this season, Morneau is the best hitter in baseball with a few others close behind him.

Didn't notice that Cabrera hit a 3R HR today, my bad on that, if Cabrera is a Triple Crown contender then you have to put Morneau in that category as well.[/quote:23jamp1z]

No, Justin Morneau will never win a batting title. He has hit over .300 twice in seven big league seasons. He will never get close, that is the man that bats third in the order job. I am sorry man I know your a big Morneau fan and no doubt he is off to a good start like all the guys' mentioned in this thread, but he is not a triple crown contender. Miggy ls a very special blend and is one of the few guys' that can do it all at the plate.[/quote:23jamp1z]

Again, at this point in the season, he is right there with Cabrera, that may or may not change by the end of the season...[/quote:23jamp1z]

how is he right there...hes 13 rbis and 6 hrs behind[/quote:23jamp1z]

Come on, you know how quickly stats can change in baseball, 13 RBI is not a huge gap by any means, a good week to two week run and either guy could double or cut that in half...6 HRS is a larger gap that Morneau probably isn't there with him at.

 

[jlvjr16]

Miggy the conversion rate is for every US Dollar it's 33 Pesos...

 

[MorneauMVP33]

Which makes it very sad to see him in third place for All Star voting.

At least Morneau passed Teixeira for the 1B lead.

Speaking of Morneau, what puts Cabrera ahead of him? I think it's pretty clear that Morneau's BABIP will regress but if we're just judging the numbers, Morneau is having a better season. I'm sure Cano's got his fair share of regression to undergo as well but everyone always has that random outlier year.

With that said, 3 incredibly hitters and I think Cabrera finishes up with the best numbers by a smidgen.

6 more hrs and 13 more rbi's i would say puts him ahead of morneau, and morneau will end the season right around 300 and maybe lower in average considering his career avg is 285..

The difference is 5 HR and 10 RBI by the way...and the discussion is not talking about where Morneau may or may not end the season or career numbers, it's this season, and so far this season, Morneau is the best hitter in baseball with a few others close behind him.

Are you kidding me? Please, do yourself a favor-and check the facts, they aren't biased!

Miguel Cabrera-230 AB, 19 HR, 56 RBI, .330 Avg
Justin Morneau-214 AB, 13 HR, 43 RBI, .350 Avg
Robinson Cano-248 AB, 13 HR, 47 RBI, .371 Avg

I vote Miguel Cabrera-I will say this for sure, it's not between Morneau and Cabrera, it's between Cabrera and Cano. Why do I side with Miggy? He has hit at least 4 of these 19 HR's in the 8th/9th inning to either tie a game or go ahead. The guy is absolutely CLUTCH so far. That gives him the edge for me. Here is what I remember:

@KC-HR in 9th to tie game w/2 outs
@ANA-HR in 9th to tie game w/2 outs
@TEX-HR in 9th to go up by 1(was a tie game)
PIT-HR in 8th to go up by 2

For some reason I think I'm forgetting 1 or 2, but not sure. And he doesn't have the luxury of Joe Mauer hitting in his lineup, either. The Tigers lineup, especially behind him, has been rather lackluster(outside of a few HR's by Boesch).

What is scary, is he has a legit shot at a triple crown this year.

Cabrera has Mags in his lineup...Morneau has Cuddyer hitting behind him, who Boesch has had a better season than...I never thought I would say this, but I think it's time the Twins move Delmon Young up in the order a bit...

 

[pigskincardboard]

[quote="KOBEARODLT":1sqaiu43]im pretty sure its 13 and 6 man, i just looked on espn...and how is morneau a better hitter than triple crown contender?

also, i would take cano ahead of morneau as well

[quote="MorneauMVP33":1sqaiu43][quote="KOBEARODLT":1sqaiu43][quote="pigskincardboard":1sqaiu43][quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":1sqaiu43]Which makes it very sad to see him in third place for All Star voting.

At least Morneau passed Teixeira for the 1B lead.

Speaking of Morneau, what puts Cabrera ahead of him? I think it's pretty clear that Morneau's BABIP will regress but if we're just judging the numbers, Morneau is having a better season. I'm sure Cano's got his fair share of regression to undergo as well but everyone always has that random outlier year.

With that said, 3 incredibly hitters and I think Cabrera finishes up with the best numbers by a smidgen.

6 more hrs and 13 more rbi's i would say puts him ahead of morneau, and morneau will end the season right around 300 and maybe lower in average considering his career avg is 285..

The difference is 5 HR and 10 RBI by the way...and the discussion is not talking about where Morneau may or may not end the season or career numbers, it's this season, and so far this season, Morneau is the best hitter in baseball with a few others close behind him.

Didn't notice that Cabrera hit a 3R HR today, my bad on that, if Cabrera is a Triple Crown contender then you have to put Morneau in that category as well.[/quote:1sqaiu43]

No, Justin Morneau will never win a batting title. He has hit over .300 twice in seven big league seasons. He will never get close, that is the man that bats third in the order job. I am sorry man I know your a big Morneau fan and no doubt he is off to a good start like all the guys' mentioned in this thread, but he is not a triple crown contender. Miggy ls a very special blend and is one of the few guys' that can do it all at the plate.[/quote:1sqaiu43]

Again, at this point in the season, he is right there with Cabrera, that may or may not change by the end of the season...[/quote:1sqaiu43]

how is he right there...hes 13 rbis and 6 hrs behind[/quote:1sqaiu43]

Come on, you know how quickly stats can change in baseball, 13 RBI is not a huge gap by any means, a good week to two week run and either guy could double or cut that in half...6 HRS is a larger gap that Morneau probably isn't there with him at.[/quote:1sqaiu43]

I posted the advanced metrics and nobody flinched. I think it's best to just say that all three are very good hitters.

OPS still goes Morneau, Cabrera, Youkilis, Eithier, Cano.

All, very good.

 

[miguelcabrera]

ill showoff some of my favorite karrdz


here they are in scan form

i need to scan

 

[All The Hype]

My take on it is that Morneau and Cabrera have been going back and forth with batting average, SLG% this season. That is expected. But Cabrera has pulled away in the HR category which is what separates him.

If the season ended today and the player with the best numbers goes to the All Star game: Morneau is batting .350 with 13 homers and 43 RBI and Cabrera is batting .330 with 19 homers and 56, please don't try to tell me that you're going to argue that you'd rather have a guy on your team with 20 more batting average points than 6 more homers and 13 RBI.


I'll even mention that RBI isn't even a great determining factor of how good a player is since a lot of that is out of his control. But the power numbers are what separates these guys.

Cano is having a god season as well. He would be the better contender at this point.

I just don't see how anyone can honestly look at their numbers and tell me Morneau is having a better season than Cabrera or Cano at this point. Sure they'll go back and forth a little more before the season ends, but we're not talking about what we think they might do, we are talking about what they have already done.


In the end as long as Teixeira doesn't steal the starting All Star spot, I'm ok with it. I recognize that even though I'd argue Cabrera is having the better year, Morneau is having a great season too. Both players are deserving of the spot, and the other will certainly end up on the team as a reserve, but it would be nice to see voting reflect the type of seasons guys are having rather than which teams have bigger markets.

 

[pigskincardboard]

An argument can be made for any of them, but please, please, take a look at:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 10&month=0

and

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 10&month=0


Basically, it's a wash. Yes Cabrera has more Homers, RBI, whatever. However, Morneau is leading in many other categories.

 

[All The Hype]

An argument can be made for any of them, but please, please, take a look at:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 10&month=0

and

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 10&month=0


Basically, it's a wash. Yes Cabrera has more Homers, RBI, whatever. However, Morneau is leading in many other categories.

I understand the point that there are more ways to look at this than the obvious...but there's a reason why the obvious is the obvious.

Personally I think having 6 more homeruns...a known statistic that has existed forever and requires a feasible play (hitting the ball over the fence) in order for a player to acquire another to his season total...is more important than being .012 better than someone in 4 different categories that most baseball fans don't even understand or recognize as normal statistics.

 

[pigskincardboard]

An argument can be made for any of them, but please, please, take a look at:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 10&month=0

and

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 10&month=0


Basically, it's a wash. Yes Cabrera has more Homers, RBI, whatever. However, Morneau is leading in many other categories.

I understand the point that there are more ways to look at this than the obvious...but there's a reason why the obvious is the obvious.

Personally I think having 6 more homeruns...a known statistic that has existed forever and requires a feasible play (hitting the ball over the fence) in order for a player to acquire another to his season total...is more important than being .012 better than someone in 4 different categories that most baseball fans don't even understand or recognize as normal statistics.

The reason why the obvious is the obvious isn't because it's the best, it's because it's the best statistic that everyone can easily understand.

Just look at it as the *next best* type statistic.

Cabrera hits the ball harder.
Morneau gets on base more often.

The difference between Morneau's OBP and Cabrera's isn't small, either.

The argument for Cano is tough to make as Morneau's leading him in OBP and SLG.

It's obviously tough to compare a double, or a single to a homer. Homers provide instant gratification: 1+ Run Scored. Where a walk will be 1R scored, 25 or 30% of the time ( I can't remember the numbers, i think it's 50% of the time w/ 0 outs).

So yah, people like homers and rbis because they're obvious and they're simple; all you need to know how to do is count.

If you'd like, I'll mail you my copy of "The Book." It's a great baseball book that looks into all that junk.

 

[hail2thevictors]

Sure, it's very close. But what is baseball measured upon? Production. Say it with me folks, pro-duc-tion. OBP is great, but the game is measured by wins and losses, which is determined by runs. Who has the most runs. You don't over turn a score because one team had a higher OBP. Sure, a high OBP is obviously more desired, but it's about runs and RBIs.

And what puts Miguel ahead of them is being flat out clutch this year. The breakdown I did previously shows that.

 

[pigskincardboard]

Sure, it's very close. But what is baseball measured upon? Production. Say it with me folks, pro-duc-tion. OBP is great, but the game is measured by wins and losses, which is determined by runs. Who has the most runs. You don't over turn a score because one team had a higher OBP. Sure, a high OBP is obviously more desired, but it's about runs and RBIs.

And what puts Miguel ahead of them is being flat out clutch this year. The breakdown I did previously shows that.

What exactly does Cabrera do to put those runners on base ahead of him? That's within his power? What do Morneau or Cano do to make sure the guys batting behind him, knock them in?

Explain to me the difference between a 2-run homer and a solo-shot again? Or how about a double versus an RBI double?

We view teams based on how many runs they score and how many they allow. We view players based on how they play.

Baseball is a game of probabilities. If you take Miguel Cabrera out of Detroit and put him on Houston, is he any less of a player? Would he probably have 60 fewer RBIs and roughly 200 fewer runs scored?

 

[hail2thevictors]

Sure, it's very close. But what is baseball measured upon? Production. Say it with me folks, pro-duc-tion. OBP is great, but the game is measured by wins and losses, which is determined by runs. Who has the most runs. You don't over turn a score because one team had a higher OBP. Sure, a high OBP is obviously more desired, but it's about runs and RBIs.

And what puts Miguel ahead of them is being flat out clutch this year. The breakdown I did previously shows that.

What exactly does Cabrera do to put those runners on base ahead of him? That's within his power? What do Morneau or Cano do to make sure the guys batting behind him, knock them in?

Explain to me the difference between a 2-run homer and a solo-shot again? Or how about a double versus an RBI double?

We view teams based on how many runs they score and how many they allow. We view players based on how they play.

Baseball is a game of probabilities. If you take Miguel Cabrera out of Detroit and put him on Houston, is he any less of a player? Would he probably have 60 fewer RBIs and roughly 200 fewer runs scored?

Yes, what is the difference between a solo or 2 run shot?

Let me ask you-what is the difference between 19 and 13 home runs? Let me guess, Morneau can't control how many HR's he hits? Just for the sake of the argument, I hope that everyone is is agreement that the Twins lineup is better than the Tigers, if you take out Miguel and Morneau.

This is very close-but I would be willing to bet the majority of people inside of baseball would vote Miguel the MVP if it were given out right now. Just my opinion, though.

 

[pigskincardboard]

Sure, it's very close. But what is baseball measured upon? Production. Say it with me folks, pro-duc-tion. OBP is great, but the game is measured by wins and losses, which is determined by runs. Who has the most runs. You don't over turn a score because one team had a higher OBP. Sure, a high OBP is obviously more desired, but it's about runs and RBIs.

And what puts Miguel ahead of them is being flat out clutch this year. The breakdown I did previously shows that.

What exactly does Cabrera do to put those runners on base ahead of him? That's within his power? What do Morneau or Cano do to make sure the guys batting behind him, knock them in?

Explain to me the difference between a 2-run homer and a solo-shot again? Or how about a double versus an RBI double?

We view teams based on how many runs they score and how many they allow. We view players based on how they play.

Baseball is a game of probabilities. If you take Miguel Cabrera out of Detroit and put him on Houston, is he any less of a player? Would he probably have 60 fewer RBIs and roughly 200 fewer runs scored?

Yes, what is the difference between a solo or 2 run shot?

Let me ask you-what is the difference between 19 and 13 home runs? Let me guess, Morneau can't control how many HR's he hits? Just for the sake of the argument, I hope that everyone is is agreement that the Twins lineup is better than the Tigers, if you take out Miguel and Morneau.

This is very close-but I would be willing to bet the majority of people inside of baseball would vote Miguel the MVP if it were given out right now. Just my opinion, though.

Again, Miguel Cabrera's slugging percentage is better than Morneau's. No one is disputing that. However, whether or not it makes up for the .050 difference in OBP is debatable.

As for the teams, the Twins have scored more runs. However, when it comes to OPS, etc. they're performing similarly. So much of baseball is random chance -- is there a man on base when you hit the double? Is it a 0-out single or a 2-out single?

Anyways, the MVP will go to whomever wins the division.

 

[RL24]

Sure, it's very close. But what is baseball measured upon? Production. Say it with me folks, pro-duc-tion. OBP is great, but the game is measured by wins and losses, which is determined by runs. Who has the most runs. You don't over turn a score because one team had a higher OBP. Sure, a high OBP is obviously more desired, but it's about runs and RBIs.

And what puts Miguel ahead of them is being flat out clutch this year. The breakdown I did previously shows that.

Amen Brother, Amen.

/\
(Has the most runs, ever.)