More mama_bear** discussion...

[Boylen33]

Hi guys, new here. I'm more well-known on the Topps forums.

I also ordered a case of Sterling from Mama_bear**. I paid for it on January 14th. Upon release, I emailed Mama to inquire about an expected delivery date and he said he would begin shipping the cases on Monday and Tuesday of this week. I sent three of four more emails Monday and Tuesday to see if my case had been shipped, but have received no response. Needless to say, I'm a bit worried. I will let everyone know if I get any updates.

 

[cwc2002]

I sent an email out over the weekend and I got an automated response saying that he was out of town and wouldnt be back until mon or tues. So hopefully he's just catching up and not fleeing

 

[JEA2880]

I've gotta be honest, I still don't understand the naivete of the people who bought these cases. Being in this hobby, you all should know that if it seems too good to be true it always is. We're talking about well over $1,000 off what every other reputable dealer on the internet sells these for - what possible incentive could this guy have to sell at such a steep loss? I certainly hope I'm wrong but couple the asinine pricing with alleged shipping delays well after product release and, well, what more can I say? STAY AWAY!

 

[bmc398]

I've gotta be honest, I still don't understand the naivete of the people who bought these cases. Being in this hobby, you all should know that if it seems too good to be true it always is. We're talking about well over $1,000 off what every other reputable dealer on the internet sells these for - what possible incentive could this guy have to sell at such a steep loss? I certainly hope I'm wrong but couple the asinine pricing with alleged shipping delays well after product release and, well, what more can I say? STAY AWAY!

Yeah, it shocks me how many people bought AFTER this thread was created and logical concearns were brought up.

If I had bought from "her", id file the claim now. If they show up then good. If she refunds the money, go out and buy a few boxes and learn from your mistake.

 

[crowTrobot]

I've gotta be honest, I still don't understand the naivete of the people who bought these cases. Being in this hobby, you all should know that if it seems too good to be true it always is. We're talking about well over $1,000 off what every other reputable dealer on the internet sells these for - what possible incentive could this guy have to sell at such a steep loss? I certainly hope I'm wrong but couple the asinine pricing with alleged shipping delays well after product release and, well, what more can I say? STAY AWAY!

the thing is mamma_bear has been delivering stuff at similarly rediculous prices for almost 2 months now. i don't think recent buyers have been naive so much as hoping to get in on the action before it all falls apart, knowing at worst they will get a refund refund if it does (presumably nobody is paying by check or bank transfer at this point).

 

[SeattleSports]

I've gotta be honest, I still don't understand the naivete of the people who bought these cases. Being in this hobby, you all should know that if it seems too good to be true it always is. We're talking about well over $1,000 off what every other reputable dealer on the internet sells these for - what possible incentive could this guy have to sell at such a steep loss? I certainly hope I'm wrong but couple the asinine pricing with alleged shipping delays well after product release and, well, what more can I say? STAY AWAY!

the thing is mamma_bear has been delivering stuff at similarly rediculous prices for almost 2 months now. i don't think recent buyers have been naive so much as hoping to get in on the action before it all falls apart, knowing at worst they will get a refund refund if it does (presumably nobody is paying by check or bank transfer at this point).

But what do all those products have in common? They have failed miserably and dropped below direct cost. Sterling has been a money maker.

 

[crowTrobot]

But what do all those products have in common? They have failed miserably and dropped below direct cost.

not really. that's true of BC and sterling, but a lot of the high-end stuff that has been sold and delivered is only slightly below cost, if not slightly above (sterling NFL, SPGU NHL etc). whatever mamma_bear has been doing they have not been trying to make money shorting. it goes way beyond that.

 

[rico08]

I've gotta be honest, I still don't understand the naivete of the people who bought these cases. Being in this hobby, you all should know that if it seems too good to be true it always is. We're talking about well over $1,000 off what every other reputable dealer on the internet sells these for - what possible incentive could this guy have to sell at such a steep loss? I certainly hope I'm wrong but couple the asinine pricing with alleged shipping delays well after product release and, well, what more can I say? STAY AWAY!

the thing is mamma_bear has been delivering stuff at similarly rediculous prices for almost 2 months now. i don't think recent buyers have been naive so much as hoping to get in on the action before it all falls apart, knowing at worst they will get a refund refund if it does (presumably nobody is paying by check or bank transfer at this point).

It doesn't matter! Find another seller on eBay DUMPING sealed cases for $1k less than anyone else. They're not there.

mamabear simply cannot last forever doing this type of selling especially if Topps does right in 2011 and makes products worth buying.

Everyone else can take a chance on her delivering but I'm not going to tie up my money and occupy myself bty constantly e-mailing a seller who clearly doesn't a) ship anything immediately or b) worry about leaving easy $$ on the table.

 

[crowTrobot]

It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

 

[Wes]

It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

Exactly.

 

[bmc398]

It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

Exactly.

But you haven't made squat....and still have a lot of money tied up.

 

[Fandruw25]

It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

Exactly.

But you haven't made squat....and still have a lot of money tied up.

It's a no lose situation. Either you get your product and then sell it for a profit, or you get your money back. Sure, the money is tied up, but it's not like you'll walk away with anything less than what you have in it....To me this is no different than prospecting.

 

[hail2thevictors]

It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

Exactly.

But you haven't made squat....and still have a lot of money tied up.

It's a no lose situation. Either you get your product and then sell it for a profit, or you get your money back. Sure, the money is tied up, but it's not like you'll walk away with anything less than what you have in it....To me this is no different than prospecting.

Exactly.

Some people just don't get it-there is really no way to lose here. If they deliver, I'm making $500+ on each case I bought. If they don't deliver, I file my claim and have my money back. The $2000 I spent was not money that I needed, so it isn't costing me anything by having money tied up for a couple of weeks.

 

[cmnkb8]

So has mamabear confirmed to anyone here that their Sterling case(s) are shipping? I bought one and have e-mailed twice regarding shipping this week and didn't get a response.

I get the feeling a refund is coming soon....

 

[Wes]

So has mamabear confirmed to anyone here that their Sterling case(s) are shipping? I bought one and have e-mailed twice regarding shipping this week and didn't get a response.

I get the feeling a refund is coming soon....

Dear llwesman,

As soon as I have it I will send it along. Just like everyone else, my distributors (who assured me availability)have gone into hiding with regard to this item. I have been able to find a few cases a day and while the price has been steep, I just want them available, and I will pay whatever i need to in order to service my customers. This is the first item I have had trouble obtaining any product, but I am determined to fill every order no matter what the cost. I am willing to refund if that is what you want, but I am not looking for the easy way out, I would prefer to find the cases and get them to you. If you are ok with me shipping ones or twos until your order is complete, it would be easier than trying to find all at once. Please let me know.

- mama_bear**

 

[bmc398]

[quote="rico08":1abqbub3]It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

Exactly.

But you haven't made squat....and still have a lot of money tied up.

It's a no lose situation. Either you get your product and then sell it for a profit, or you get your money back. Sure, the money is tied up, but it's not like you'll walk away with anything less than what you have in it....To me this is no different than prospecting.

Exactly.

Some people just don't get it-there is really no way to lose here. If they deliver, I'm making $500+ on each case I bought. If they don't deliver, I file my claim and have my money back. The $2000 I spent was not money that I needed, so it isn't costing me anything by having money tied up for a couple of weeks.[/quote:1abqbub3]

I get. I do. But I really don't have $3500 I can toss to this guy and have up in limbo for months at a time. Sure, you'll get the refund....but what if you don't? What if the guy has run off with so much money and it becomes such an issue that the whole thing gets clogged up as far as eBay is concearned? Then the money sits for longer?

There is a ton of risk here....and sure a bad outcome is not probable but you're so sure this makes all the sense in the world....when it makes just as much sense to walk away.

 

[bmc398]

So has mamabear confirmed to anyone here that their Sterling case(s) are shipping? I bought one and have e-mailed twice regarding shipping this week and didn't get a response.

I get the feeling a refund is coming soon....

Dear llwesman,

As soon as I have it I will send it along. Just like everyone else, my distributors (who assured me availability)have gone into hiding with regard to this item. I have been able to find a few cases a day and while the price has been steep, I just want them available, and I will pay whatever i need to in order to service my customers. This is the first item I have had trouble obtaining any product, but I am determined to fill every order no matter what the cost. I am willing to refund if that is what you want, but I am not looking for the easy way out, I would prefer to find the cases and get them to you. If you are ok with me shipping ones or twos until your order is complete, it would be easier than trying to find all at once. Please let me know.

- mama_bear**

While thats good service and all, thats not what you signed up for. Its probably already not worth the hassle for you.

He wants you to get pissed and ask for a refund. No doubt about that.

 

[Wes]

[quote="crowTrobot":fuw25zit][quote="rico08":fuw25zit]It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

Exactly.

But you haven't made squat....and still have a lot of money tied up.

It's a no lose situation. Either you get your product and then sell it for a profit, or you get your money back. Sure, the money is tied up, but it's not like you'll walk away with anything less than what you have in it....To me this is no different than prospecting.

Exactly.

Some people just don't get it-there is really no way to lose here. If they deliver, I'm making $500+ on each case I bought. If they don't deliver, I file my claim and have my money back. The $2000 I spent was not money that I needed, so it isn't costing me anything by having money tied up for a couple of weeks.[/quote:fuw25zit]

I get. I do. But I really don't have $3500 I can toss to this guy and have up in limbo for months at a time. Sure, you'll get the refund....but what if you don't? What if the guy has run off with so much money and it becomes such an issue that the whole thing gets clogged up as far as eBay is concearned? Then the money sits for longer?

There is a ton of risk here....and sure a bad outcome is not probable but you're so sure this makes all the sense in the world....when it makes just as much sense to walk away.[/quote:fuw25zit]

Paid through PayPal and with a Visa card. I'm not worried about getting my money back if he doesn't come through.

 

[lisu]

[quote="crowTrobot":309lqpne][quote="rico08":309lqpne]It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

Exactly.

But you haven't made squat....and still have a lot of money tied up.

It's a no lose situation. Either you get your product and then sell it for a profit, or you get your money back. Sure, the money is tied up, but it's not like you'll walk away with anything less than what you have in it....To me this is no different than prospecting.

Exactly.

Some people just don't get it-there is really no way to lose here. If they deliver, I'm making $500+ on each case I bought. If they don't deliver, I file my claim and have my money back. The $2000 I spent was not money that I needed, so it isn't costing me anything by having money tied up for a couple of weeks.[/quote:309lqpne]

I get. I do. But I really don't have $3500 I can toss to this guy and have up in limbo for months at a time. Sure, you'll get the refund....but what if you don't? What if the guy has run off with so much money and it becomes such an issue that the whole thing gets clogged up as far as eBay is concearned? Then the money sits for longer?

There is a ton of risk here....and sure a bad outcome is not probable but you're so sure this makes all the sense in the world....when it makes just as much sense to walk away.[/quote:309lqpne]

If people are smart, they would pay with a credit card - they can easily dispute the charge if the seller takes off with the money.

 

[cmnkb8]

So has mamabear confirmed to anyone here that their Sterling case(s) are shipping? I bought one and have e-mailed twice regarding shipping this week and didn't get a response.

I get the feeling a refund is coming soon....

Dear llwesman,

As soon as I have it I will send it along. Just like everyone else, my distributors (who assured me availability)have gone into hiding with regard to this item. I have been able to find a few cases a day and while the price has been steep, I just want them available, and I will pay whatever i need to in order to service my customers. This is the first item I have had trouble obtaining any product, but I am determined to fill every order no matter what the cost. I am willing to refund if that is what you want, but I am not looking for the easy way out, I would prefer to find the cases and get them to you. If you are ok with me shipping ones or twos until your order is complete, it would be easier than trying to find all at once. Please let me know.

- mama_bear**

While thats good service and all, thats not what you signed up for. Its probably already not worth the hassle for you.

He wants you to get pissed and ask for a refund. No doubt about that.

If he wanted a buyer to get pissed and ask for a refund, he wouldn't go through the trouble of typing that response. He could simply ISSUE a refund, which is much easier.