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After watching prices and reading up on all of these guys since BDP's release a few months ago, I wanted to put together my own personal list ranking the players on the checklist in the future just for fun. A lot of this is what I think of the player and how they will perform and how important they will be to their team, not all just about card value...although the two often go hand in hand ;)

So without further ado, here is my list.

2008 BDP Auto Rankings: Looking to the Future

1. Gordan Beckham- Great hitter for power and average already at a position where power is very valuable.

1b. Jesus Montero- Bat could turn out to be one of the best in baseball down the road…if he continues to develop like they say he could. Also at a premium position (although it is likely that he will eventually move to first base or outfield due to his size and lack of athleticism behind the plate).

Between 1a and 1b, take your pick between a more seasoned hitter now, or one that COULD be even better down the road.

2. Michael Stanton- Guy has unbelievable power and tremendous athleticism for a big man, and is only 19 years old. He will be in the middle of whatever success the Marlins have for years to come.

3. Buster Posey- Hard to argue against the NCAA’s 2008 Golden Spikes Award winner. Hits a ton and also is a great all-around athlete.

4. Wilmer Flores- Still young, but he already is a threat every time he steps up to the plate. He is only going to get better.

5. Michael Inoa- Sky’s the limit, but how will he do against real competition?

6. Zach Collier- Has the raw tools, just needs to finish filling out physically and to add some seasoning to fully develop his game and take it to the next level. Look for him to be a force in Philly’s lineup in a few years.

7. Derek Holland- Lefty with a great fastball. Still needs to prove his secondary stuff, but it won’t be long until he reaches the majors.

8. Josh Reddick- Great fielder who proved his bat at lower levels, but will look to have better success against AA pitching in 2009.

9. Ike Davis- Supposed to have some power but didn’t show it in his debut season in the minors. 2009 season will be more telling about what this guy can do.

10. Carlos Gutierrez- Sinker-baller who could be a starter or come out of the bullpen.

11. Anthony Hewitt- Another athletic, toolsy outfielder for the Phillies who also plays some third base. Collier seems to have better potential overall, but Hewitt’s athleticism could help him develop into a solid everyday player for the Phillies a few years down the road.

12. Lonnie Chisenhall- Off-field problems set him back a year ago, but he’s still young and has the potential to be a solid major leaguer, if not better.

13. Mike Montgomery- Lefty with a mid-90s fastball. Still has a way to go developing his off-speed pitches, and whether or not he is able to do this will determine his future success.

14. Brad Hand- A young lefty pitcher straight out of high school looks like he could be a solid mid-rotation starter someday for Florida.

15. Dan Schlereth- Possibly a future closer, Schlereth has good stuff, but he is destined for a career in the bullpen. No shame in that, but it makes it tougher for his cards to gain tons of value.

16. Evan Frederickson- Can dial it up to the high 90s, but a very erratic pitcher who will need to figure out his control problem if he is going to ever make it to the majors.

17. Cody Adams- Righty pitcher that still has some issues to figure out before he can advance.


Thoughts?
 

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I'm no expert but I'd say it looks perfect.
 

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Looks good. Only changes I would make is move Holland to #6, Reddick to #7 and Collier to #8.
 

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I agree with the list for the most part. I would think that Holland and Reddick are a head of Collier though. Holland and Reddick are both much more advanced, and Collier is extremely raw. I like all three of them though.
 

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pjnprospects said:
I agree with the list for the most part. I would think that Holland and Reddick are a head of Collier though. Holland and Reddick are both much more advanced, and Collier is extremely raw. I like all three of them though.

I agree right now, but this list takes the future into account and what I think these guys will be like down the road. I think Collier is going to be an absolute beast by the time he makes it to the majors (and therefore, be better overall than Reddick and Holland).
 

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ALL_THE_HYPE said:
pjnprospects said:
I agree with the list for the most part. I would think that Holland and Reddick are a head of Collier though. Holland and Reddick are both much more advanced, and Collier is extremely raw. I like all three of them though.

I agree right now, but this list takes the future into account and what I think these guys will be like down the road. I think Collier is going to be an absolute beast by the time he makes it to the majors (and therefore, be better overall than Reddick and Holland).

Are you ranking this on skill or card value? Reddick has Boston behind him and that boosts him over a lot of people who would be more skilled than him.
 

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beefycheddar said:
ALL_THE_HYPE said:
pjnprospects said:
I agree with the list for the most part. I would think that Holland and Reddick are a head of Collier though. Holland and Reddick are both much more advanced, and Collier is extremely raw. I like all three of them though.

I agree right now, but this list takes the future into account and what I think these guys will be like down the road. I think Collier is going to be an absolute beast by the time he makes it to the majors (and therefore, be better overall than Reddick and Holland).

Are you ranking this on skill or card value? Reddick has Boston behind him and that boosts him over a lot of people who would be more skilled than him.


Yeah I thought about doing something like this, but this list was more my evaluation of the players' skill/potential/tool package/etc. As you know, card value generally follows those things, at least to an extent, but I definitely agree about Reddick's value with Boston and would probably move him to 6th on this list if this was based on my prediction of future value.

Here is a quick prediction of future value. The top four are still the top four, but Montero takes sole possession of the #1 spot, and Flores overtakes Posey as a Met.

Inoa and Holland drop a couple spots, Reddick moves up.

I still like Collier at 5 based on what I think he could be capable of down the road-I think he will be good enough that Reddick as an everyday player for Boston (kinda reminds me of JD Drew) will still be valued below Collier as a stud for Philly.

It's still too early for me to tell if Davis will be able to surpass Holland even as a Met.

Gutierrez drops out and Hewitt moves into spot number ten.

I just put this together in about two minutes, so I'd call this a preliminary list, to say the least.

1. Montero
2. Beckham
3. Flores
4. Posey
5. Collier
6. Reddick
7. Inoa
8. Holland
9. Davis
10. Hewitt
 

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ALL_THE_HYPE said:
6. Zach Collier- Has the raw tools, just needs to finish filling out physically and to add some seasoning to fully develop his game and take it to the next level. Look for him to be a force in Philly’s lineup in a few years.



11. Anthony Hewitt- Another athletic, toolsy outfielder for the Phillies who also plays some third base. Collier seems to have better potential overall, but Hewitt’s athleticism could help him develop into a solid everyday player for the Phillies a few years down the road.

Nice list overall. Just a few points I would like to make.

Hewitt has much more potential then Collier. Now the chances he reaches that potential is much less then Collier.

Hewitt develops to his full potential would be similar to Bo Jackson. There's no great comp for him though since he is a freak.

If Collier develops to his full potential he would be similar to Garret Anderson.

Like I said, Hewitt maybe has a 10% chance where Collier has a 70-80% chance to make it. Your rankings of them are good, I just don't agree with the reasoning that much.
 

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Hand and Chisenhall should be much higher as far as where they will end up in the bigs

The big draw backs on their value is that they have cards in so many products(same thing with stanton)

Mark
 

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TheDailyProspect said:
Hand and Chisenhall should be much higher as far as where they will end up in the bigs

The big draw backs on their value is that they have cards in so many products(same thing with stanton)

Mark


I considered Chisenhall for spot #9 or #10, but decided to move him lower just because I like the other guys better, and I still want to see Chisenhall against professional competition for a full season before I ranked him ahead of a couple pretty tough proven college players in Davis and Gutierrez. Hewitt has a very high ceiling, but like has been mentioned, the chance that he ever meets his full potential is unlikely (I believe in his first pro season he struck out something like 55 times out of 120 at bats).

Hand is someone who I can definitely see being a solid starter in a few years, but I think he still has a long way to go, and his development is less just seems less certain to me as he is still a young pitcher. If he reaches his full potential, I think he could be as high as 7th or 8th on this list, but as always, the chance of that happening is not that great.
 

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ALL_THE_HYPE said:
TheDailyProspect said:
Hand and Chisenhall should be much higher as far as where they will end up in the bigs

The big draw backs on their value is that they have cards in so many products(same thing with stanton)

Mark


I considered Chisenhall for spot #9 or #10, but decided to move him lower just because I like the other guys better, and I still want to see Chisenhall against professional competition for a full season before I ranked him ahead of a couple pretty tough proven college players in Davis and Gutierrez. Hewitt has a very high ceiling, but like has been mentioned, the chance that he ever meets his full potential is unlikely (I believe in his first pro season he struck out something like 55 times out of 120 at bats).

Hand is someone who I can definitely see being a solid starter in a few years, but I think he still has a long way to go, and his development is less just seems less certain to me as he is still a young pitcher. If he reaches his full potential, I think he could be as high as 7th or 8th on this list, but as always, the chance of that happening is not that great.


Hand has 5 of the 7 charcterstics that make a great investment

Good
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Youth
Solid ERA stats
Great GO::AO
Good odds to make majors(Team and Left Handed)
Cheap prices

Bad
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Too many cards
Not a good K::BB

Mark
 

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Good list imo, i think posey and beckham have mlb ready bats (they need to touch up posey's catcher skills has he made the switch two years ago). He is very adapatable and can play every position including pitcher :P
 

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ryanhoward06 said:
ALL_THE_HYPE said:
6. Zach Collier- Has the raw tools, just needs to finish filling out physically and to add some seasoning to fully develop his game and take it to the next level. Look for him to be a force in Philly’s lineup in a few years.



11. Anthony Hewitt- Another athletic, toolsy outfielder for the Phillies who also plays some third base. Collier seems to have better potential overall, but Hewitt’s athleticism could help him develop into a solid everyday player for the Phillies a few years down the road.

Nice list overall. Just a few points I would like to make.

Hewitt has much more potential then Collier. Now the chances he reaches that potential is much less then Collier.

Hewitt develops to his full potential would be similar to Bo Jackson. There's no great comp for him though since he is a freak.

If Collier develops to his full potential he would be similar to Garret Anderson.

Like I said, Hewitt maybe has a 10% chance where Collier has a 70-80% chance to make it. Your rankings of them are good, I just don't agree with the reasoning that much.



Collier has the potential to be a far more complete player than Hewitt which is the big difference between the two. Garret Anderson is a newer comparison but I think he has a chance to be better than that. This year will go a long way in showing that IMO. Collier needs to continue to show some plate discipline.
 

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Honestly, I kinda think Holland is a better prospect than Iona. However, Holland is a Ranger :lol:
 

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Looks very good, only thing is about Holland, his changeup is nasty.
 

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ALL_THE_HYPE said:
beefycheddar said:
[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":3jprsbhe]
pjnprospects said:
I agree with the list for the most part. I would think that Holland and Reddick are a head of Collier though. Holland and Reddick are both much more advanced, and Collier is extremely raw. I like all three of them though.

I agree right now, but this list takes the future into account and what I think these guys will be like down the road. I think Collier is going to be an absolute beast by the time he makes it to the majors (and therefore, be better overall than Reddick and Holland).

Are you ranking this on skill or card value? Reddick has Boston behind him and that boosts him over a lot of people who would be more skilled than him.


Yeah I thought about doing something like this, but this list was more my evaluation of the players' skill/potential/tool package/etc. As you know, card value generally follows those things, at least to an extent, but I definitely agree about Reddick's value with Boston and would probably move him to 6th on this list if this was based on my prediction of future value.

Here is a quick prediction of future value. The top four are still the top four, but Montero takes sole possession of the #1 spot, and Flores overtakes Posey as a Met.

Inoa and Holland drop a couple spots, Reddick moves up.

I still like Collier at 5 based on what I think he could be capable of down the road-I think he will be good enough that Reddick as an everyday player for Boston (kinda reminds me of JD Drew) will still be valued below Collier as a stud for Philly.

It's still too early for me to tell if Davis will be able to surpass Holland even as a Met.

Gutierrez drops out and Hewitt moves into spot number ten.

I just put this together in about two minutes, so I'd call this a preliminary list, to say the least.

1. Montero
2. Beckham
3. Flores
4. Posey
5. Collier
6. Reddick
7. Inoa
8. Holland
9. Davis
10. Hewitt[/quote:3jprsbhe]
You forgot stanton.
 

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trademhigh said:
ALL_THE_HYPE said:
beefycheddar said:
[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":3c9wit3s]
pjnprospects said:
I agree with the list for the most part. I would think that Holland and Reddick are a head of Collier though. Holland and Reddick are both much more advanced, and Collier is extremely raw. I like all three of them though.

I agree right now, but this list takes the future into account and what I think these guys will be like down the road. I think Collier is going to be an absolute beast by the time he makes it to the majors (and therefore, be better overall than Reddick and Holland).

Are you ranking this on skill or card value? Reddick has Boston behind him and that boosts him over a lot of people who would be more skilled than him.


Yeah I thought about doing something like this, but this list was more my evaluation of the players' skill/potential/tool package/etc. As you know, card value generally follows those things, at least to an extent, but I definitely agree about Reddick's value with Boston and would probably move him to 6th on this list if this was based on my prediction of future value.

Here is a quick prediction of future value. The top four are still the top four, but Montero takes sole possession of the #1 spot, and Flores overtakes Posey as a Met.

Inoa and Holland drop a couple spots, Reddick moves up.

I still like Collier at 5 based on what I think he could be capable of down the road-I think he will be good enough that Reddick as an everyday player for Boston (kinda reminds me of JD Drew) will still be valued below Collier as a stud for Philly.

It's still too early for me to tell if Davis will be able to surpass Holland even as a Met.

Gutierrez drops out and Hewitt moves into spot number ten.

I just put this together in about two minutes, so I'd call this a preliminary list, to say the least.

1. Montero
2. Beckham
3. Flores
4. Posey
5. Collier
6. Reddick
7. Inoa
8. Holland
9. Davis
10. Hewitt
You forgot stanton.[/quote:3c9wit3s]


So I did. I'd put him at #3 or #4 and move everyone else down a slot.
 

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ALL_THE_HYPE said:
trademhigh said:
[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":2peskf9d]
beefycheddar said:
[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":2peskf9d]
pjnprospects said:
I agree with the list for the most part. I would think that Holland and Reddick are a head of Collier though. Holland and Reddick are both much more advanced, and Collier is extremely raw. I like all three of them though.

I agree right now, but this list takes the future into account and what I think these guys will be like down the road. I think Collier is going to be an absolute beast by the time he makes it to the majors (and therefore, be better overall than Reddick and Holland).

Are you ranking this on skill or card value? Reddick has Boston behind him and that boosts him over a lot of people who would be more skilled than him.


Yeah I thought about doing something like this, but this list was more my evaluation of the players' skill/potential/tool package/etc. As you know, card value generally follows those things, at least to an extent, but I definitely agree about Reddick's value with Boston and would probably move him to 6th on this list if this was based on my prediction of future value.

Here is a quick prediction of future value. The top four are still the top four, but Montero takes sole possession of the #1 spot, and Flores overtakes Posey as a Met.

Inoa and Holland drop a couple spots, Reddick moves up.

I still like Collier at 5 based on what I think he could be capable of down the road-I think he will be good enough that Reddick as an everyday player for Boston (kinda reminds me of JD Drew) will still be valued below Collier as a stud for Philly.

It's still too early for me to tell if Davis will be able to surpass Holland even as a Met.

Gutierrez drops out and Hewitt moves into spot number ten.

I just put this together in about two minutes, so I'd call this a preliminary list, to say the least.

1. Montero
2. Beckham
3. Flores
4. Posey
5. Collier
6. Reddick
7. Inoa
8. Holland
9. Davis
10. Hewitt
You forgot stanton.[/quote:2peskf9d]


So I did. I'd put him at #3 or #4 and move everyone else down a slot.[/quote:2peskf9d]
But, since he's on the Marlins, wouldn't he be fifth? That's where I would put him, as correct me if I'm wrong this is a combination of skill, potential, and team.
This would be my list (pretty much the same):
1. Montero
2. Beckham
3. Flores
4. Posey
5. Reddick
6. Holland
7. Ynoa
8. Collier
9. Davis
10. Hewitt

JG
 

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