new twist to the box top auto cut out scam

[MansGame]

I honestly dont know how this would go down if it went to court but I could see it going either way. 1 side yes he bought the box and technically it is his property to do what he pleases, but on the other hand he is purposely cutting these box tops to copy or mimic a topps Allen & Ginter card and is specifically trying to trick people into believing that they are a real topps product.

I think this guy is sneaky, shaddy, etc. but at the end of the day I think he is being pretty straight forward with what his selling... says in title and description what it is; some of the auctions even have pictures of the back which show clearly it is from the top of a box... I would probably side with this not being fraud but who the hell knows.

Honestly, if Albert Belle was on the cover and someone did this, I'd probably pay a buck for the box top... probably more if they just sold me the entire box with him on it... some people on this board do collect items with their player featured ie tins, cans, boxes, packs, etc.

 

[katieneack]

Maybe it is just me, but I don't really see a problem with what he is doing. As long as he is clearly stating that it is not a real auto, he isn't really scamming people. If he was hiding this somewhere in the description it would be different, but IMO he is making it very clear. Some people may think it is stupid, but others (especially super collectors) may find it to be a cool oddball item. If someone doesn't read the very clear description, I think that is on them, not the seller.

 

[rum151man]

I think this guy is sneaky, shaddy, etc. but at the end of the day I think he is being pretty straight forward with what his selling... says in title and description what it is; some of the auctions even have pictures of the back which show clearly it is from the top of a box... I would probably side with this not being fraud but who the hell knows.

Honestly, if Albert Belle was on the cover and someone did this, I'd probably pay a buck for the box top... probably more if they just sold me the entire box with him on it... some people on this board do collect items with their player featured ie tins, cans, boxes, packs, etc.

Yeah you might pay a buck or two but some of his cards are selling for over $100 and he knows the buyer thinks its a real card. I think it is shady and dishonest all the way.

 

[MansGame]

Yeah you might pay a buck or two but some of his cards are selling for over $100 and he knows the buyer thinks its a real card. I think it is shady and dishonest all the way.

I don't disagree with you... I don't think anyone would pay that much for these "odd ball" items... if it weren't for them displaying such rare cards, we wouldn't even be having this conversation

 

[saferseas]

Is selling a "ripped" rip card shady and dishonest, even if the seller clearly states that it has already been ripped? I'm not saying what he's doing isn't lame, but i wouldn't say its dishonest if he's clearly explaining where the "card" came from.

 

[Pastretta]

 

[jbhofmann]

I'm gonna sell my mint opened 2012 A&G box. No cuts, it's gotta be rare if all the others are getting sliced up.

 

[gt5717b]

I think VandyDan is right. It's one thing to sell the box. You own it and can sell it if you want. But once you cut the cards off the box and sell them, you have essentially "reproduced" a Topps product without their consent. At this point you aren't selling the box, you are selling an unauthorized card.

 

[MansGame]

I think VandyDan is right. It's one thing to sell the box. You own it and can sell it if you want. But once you cut the cards off the box and sell them, you have essentially "reproduced" a Topps product without their consent. At this point you aren't selling the box, you are selling an unauthorized card.

So I have a cereal box with Albert Belle on is.... you're saying I can sell the cereal box (which someone did sell to me) and I'd be fine but if I cut Albert Belle out of the box and sold just it, then it would be fraud?

Again, I think what he is doing is sneaky, lame, shaddy, etc. but not illegal... He clearly stats in the title and description what he is selling... he even shows the back on some of the auctions... sorry but if you get caught up buying one thinking it is something it's not, you need to pay closer attention to detail.

 

[jbhofmann]

So I have a cereal box with Albert Belle on is.... you're saying I can sell the cereal box (which someone did sell to me) and I'd be fine but if I cut Albert Belle out of the box and sold just it, then it would be fraud?

Again, I think what he is doing is sneaky, lame, shaddy, etc. but not illegal... He clearly stats in the title and description what he is selling... he even shows the back on some of the auctions... sorry but if you get caught up buying one thinking it is something it's not, you need to pay closer attention to detail.

Only if your Albert Belle cereal box looked exactly like an auto'ed card of Albert Belle. I'm guessing it doesn't so therefore the analogy doesn't work.

He's using the likeness of something else to sell his "product".

 

[sportscardtheory]

The guy has every right to sell these and that will not change. That's just how it is. Again, shady and uncool, but well within his rights.

 

[ballerskrip]

It is sad, but if people are buying them, whatcha gonna do?

The title is straight forward, but I will also say that the description is a WEAK as the title is straight forward. He gives zero information confirming what these really are, and he does that for a reason.

 

[gt5717b]

So I have a cereal box with Albert Belle on is.... you're saying I can sell the cereal box (which someone did sell to me) and I'd be fine but if I cut Albert Belle out of the box and sold just it, then it would be fraud?

Again, I think what he is doing is sneaky, lame, shaddy, etc. but not illegal... He clearly stats in the title and description what he is selling... he even shows the back on some of the auctions... sorry but if you get caught up buying one thinking it is something it's not, you need to pay closer attention to detail.

In your scenario, the Albert Belle card on the cereal box was designed specifically for consumers to cut out and use as a card. I don't think the same can be said for the card images on a Topps box.

 

[MansGame]

In your scenario, the Albert Belle card on the cereal box was designed specifically for consumers to cut out and use as a card. I don't think the same can be said for the card images on a Topps box.

Are you saying the boxes of Topps are designed specifically for consumers to cutout and use as a card?

Either way, my point is, the guy is cutting an image out of a cardboard item and selling as so... I read a few of his titles and it's pretty clear what it is he is selling... the RG3 item even shows the back, which clearly shows it is cardboard and not a card... I think a lot of people on here are getting caught up in there being an image of an auto on the cardboard.

Just boil this down to simple form... can you not sell a cutout piece of cardboard as such?

If you are getting "tricked" by his auctions, you need to pay closer attention to detail

 

[gt5717b]

Are you saying the boxes of Topps are designed specifically for consumers to cutout and use as a card?

Either way, my point is, the guys is cutting an image out of a cardboard item and selling as so... I read a few of his titles and it's pretty clear what it is he is selling... the RG3 item even shows the back, which clearly shows it is cardboard... I think a lot of people on there are getting caught up in there being an image of an auto on the cardboard.

Just boil this down to simple form... can you not sell a cutout piece of card board as such?

No, I was saying the cards on the Topps boxes are NOT designed to be cut out and resold as replica cards, unlike cereal box cards.

Is it legal to photocopy cards, paste them onto cardboard and resell them? I don't think it is, and I don't think this is much different. You would just be using a Topps box to make your counterfeiting job easier, even if you make it obvious that it is not a real card.

Bottom line is that this is grey area and I can honestly see both sides of the argument. For the time being, I'm arguing the "it's illegal" side of it. I may change my mind, later.

 

[Dazed]

To me the worst part is the 1/1 sticker. How are any of these a 1/1?

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