Now that it's streeted, has a checklist shown up for Leaf RR

[daveyou]

im a full supporter of leaf retro. i loved the original RRR, leaf best of baseball, and now this product

i do want to see a checklist for this, and that's the original question that baio asked. i think it helps if a full checklist is out there for this product, and hope it is released by leaf soon

in regards to the durant, i've seen a bunch of those psa dna with the sticker auto's that are slabbed. it's about a 80 dollar card from complete listing on similar durant's aftermarket sticker autos slabbed in psa dna. i dont know enough about durant autos on whether it's a fake or not. that's a different topic altogether, and should be researched. ill help with that, george.

the whole point of the product is pretty much because of the high end chase cards in the sell sheet, that's all.

it's our small, impossible chance at pulling that taillon super or mantle 52 or whatever since none of us are going to drop that kind of cash.

it's a gamble product with a decent chance at 50%+ return on the box price.

id buy this over topps sterling or 2 boxes of marquee and tier one any day. around the same price point.

some like it, some dont. its the same crap over and over and over and over and over and over about leaf...man, and it's the same few..

take the product for what it is. let. it. go.

dave

 

[Bob Loblaw]

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And another case break.

It apears as though there's one PSA/DNA auto, aftermarket card per case.

 

[Ty Hope]

I feel your pain G. Remember when I opened a pack of cuts and pulled a Rodman sticker auto? Yeah, that didn't go over too well... ::facepalm:: BG did replace it for me though.

The point is, Leaf should NOT be doing this from the start. There is no way of defending this situation.

I think your being overly objective with this situation.

Sure, it's a blunder no doubt. But to say BG shoulod be infailable at his attempts to package out a product, even this one, is a bit much. It's clearly a blunder, no question, and one I believe he will make right if given the chance. To say there is "no way of defending this situation" implies that defending is required, which I do not agree. An explaination? perhaps, but the simple 'mistakes happen' would do as long as he makes it right with the actual customer.

If it IS a blunder, than I can understand it. Everyone makes mistakes. But the bottom line is, with products like this the content is chosen and repackaged. Someone is responsible for adding this abomination. I am not a Leaf-hater. In fact I LOVED Ali and Pete Rose (Rose is my product of the year). I am a DIE-HARD sticker hater. From the sounds of this thread, this is not the only card like it in this product. You can only make so many mistakes.

I want Leaf to succeed, which is why I am vocal about things like this. They need to stop with the crap if they want to be taken seriously IMO.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I feel your pain G. Remember when I opened a pack of cuts and pulled a Rodman sticker auto? Yeah, that didn't go over too well... ::facepalm:: BG did replace it for me though.

The point is, Leaf should NOT be doing this from the start. There is no way of defending this situation.

I think your being overly objective with this situation.

Sure, it's a blunder no doubt. But to say BG shoulod be infailable at his attempts to package out a product, even this one, is a bit much. It's clearly a blunder, no question, and one I believe he will make right if given the chance. To say there is "no way of defending this situation" implies that defending is required, which I do not agree. An explaination? perhaps, but the simple 'mistakes happen' would do as long as he makes it right with the actual customer.

From the brief research I've one an posted, it looks as though one aftermarket auto falls per case... 1 out of 4 packs. Therefore, I'm not necessarily sure this is a blunder.

 

[daveyou]

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball-box-breaks/230727-1-case-2011-rookie-retro.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And another case break.

It apears as though there's one PSA/DNA auto, aftermarket card per case.

dont this that's accurate

andrew's 2 cases had one. i think cardsinfinity also did two cases on youtube and only one popped so maybe 1 in 8? 1 in 12?

dave

 

[George_Calfas]

Dave, you are correct.

Guess the point is more about the validity of PSA/DNA.....JSA...etc. These are subjective and fakes pass through authentication.
Leaf purchases cards for insertion into packs; Leaf is buying based on holder.......I highly doubt they scrutinize every "Non-pack pulled" third party authenticated Auto. Looking at Durant pack pulled autos compared to this one I think the PSA/DNA version is very questionable in my mind......and the minds of those I have just received PMs from.

 

[Messier2]

Looks like a pretty bad week for BG...starting with the REFUSAL to replace the damaged Nimmo green auto and now having a "fake" sticker Durant auto exposed.

Imagine if the Durant was pulled by a "non-message board" guy who just put it up on ebay with no indication that this was from a RR box. No one would have ever known...

Personally, I think this is what BG is going to do about this:

Contact George privately to arrange for an "exchange" of the Durant for an Ichiro auto or something equivalent. Basically asking George to hush up about the "exchange" since he doesn't want this to be a "common occurrence" by people who are not happy with their graded card from RR.

Then he would come on this thread or make a new one stating that he "had no clue" about the auto being fake and that he could only take what PSA/DNA says. It's a secondary market card that he bought and takes no responsibility for what PSA/DNA says is real or not. Also, he will refer to the box which says one can receive a Auto PSA/DNA RC (not sure exactly what he says but it's something like that).

Let's see...I'm sure he'll be coming into work tomorrow...at FCB.

 

[P_Manning 18]

i dont know enough about durant autos on whether it's a fake or not. that's a different topic altogether, and should be researched. ill help with that, george.

Its a Rookie Auto.

He was Exclusive to Upper Deck his Rookie year for all autographs.

The sticker isnt a Topps Certified Autograph Issue sticker.

So fake sticker.... leads me to believe fake autograph that PSA/DNA screwed up on. I doubt that Kevin Durant signed a blank clear sticker... but I could be wrong.

 

[IndyManning18]

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FWIW, an Ichiro was in this too.[/quote:38fydixm]\

Here's another case break. Nice Trout, of course, but the Rice is obviously not certified... so the autos in this product are hit or miss as certified. They're PSA/DNA, of course, for what that's worth.

[/quote:38fydixm]
Who's to say the Topps stickers are legit. They get sent out to the players and "signed" and sent back. Who's to say Trout didn't have his neighbor sign these stickers?

 

[Messier2]

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/base ... se-me.html[/url]" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FWIW, an Ichiro was in this too.[/quote:17wz27yt]\

Here's another case break. Nice Trout, of course, but the Rice is obviously not certified... so the autos in this product are hit or miss as certified. They're PSA/DNA, of course, for what that's worth.

[/quote:17wz27yt]
Who's to say the Topps stickers are legit. They get sent out to the players and "signed" and sent back. Who's to say Trout didn't have his neighbor sign these stickers?[/quote:17wz27yt]

What Trout sticker?

 

[daveyou]

Dave, you are correct.

Guess the point is more about the validity of PSA/DNA.....JSA...etc. These are subjective and fakes pass through authentication.
Leaf purchases cards for insertion into packs; Leaf is buying based on holder.......I highly doubt they scrutinize every "Non-pack pulled" third party authenticated Auto. Looking at Durant pack pulled autos compared to this one I think the PSA/DNA version is very questionable in my mind......and the minds of those I have just received PMs from.

i hear you george. my post was about the complaint of the product...yet again..

that durant is a separate concern altogether, though

as you stated above, i also believe that leaf buys all psa dna slabbed cards based on the holder as well

i dont have knowledge on durant autos and yes, it does look a bit off from the other psa dna slabbed ones like these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-DNA-AUTH-07 ... 500wt_1413" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-DNA-AUTH-07 ... 500wt_1413" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-DNA-AUTH-07 ... 602wt_1413" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

but again, there could be many reasons for this...

psa dna may have passed this on a bulk sub on durants?

maybe, just maybe....that psa dna authenticators know something better than us?

many different scenes here...and it's def. messed up if it ended up not being authentic but honestly, it's a toughy..

dave

 

[ballerskrip]

I understand the issue, but I have a hard time blaming BG for putting a PSA/DNA autograph card in this product. If we can have some form of trust in these companies (bgs and psa) then they might as well go out of business.

 

[Ty Hope]

I may be wrong, but I don't think the issue is the inclusion of PSA DNA autos. They were in there last year as well. The problem is that it is a sticker that was used, slabbed, and added to the product.

 

[P_Manning 18]

I may be wrong, but I don't think the issue is the inclusion of PSA DNA autos. They were in there last year as well. The problem is that it is a sticker that was used, slabbed, and added to the product.

Exactly. To me it has nothing to do with PSA/DNA being included. Some PSA/DNA Autographed Rookie Cards sell pretty well. Its the Durant with a fake sticker that Im talking about.

 

[George_Calfas]

I was just reminded of the 30+ page dust up over a signature in Oval Office. The signature was "authenticated" by a third party yet was questionable.

BG fixed that situation and I have faith that he will correct this one as well.

 

[IndyManning18]

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FWIW, an Ichiro was in this too.[/quote:1tqs1t6y]\

Here's another case break. Nice Trout, of course, but the Rice is obviously not certified... so the autos in this product are hit or miss as certified. They're PSA/DNA, of course, for what that's worth.

[/quote:1tqs1t6y]
Who's to say the Topps stickers are legit. They get sent out to the players and "signed" and sent back. Who's to say Trout didn't have his neighbor sign these stickers?[/quote:1tqs1t6y]

What Trout sticker?[/quote:1tqs1t6y]
My bad, Messier. Same situation. The cards aren't signed in the presence of Topps staff. At least I don't think they are. By the way, put your female friend back in your sig. :lol:

 

[jdk16]

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[P_Manning 18]

Another Kevin Durant PSA Chrome Auto.... Topps Chrome this time. Please let this one be on card...and not another clear sticker.

 

[Lars]

Does it matter that these PSA slabbed examples are apparently from a BG eBay account?

Dave, you are correct.

Guess the point is more about the validity of PSA/DNA.....JSA...etc. These are subjective and fakes pass through authentication.
Leaf purchases cards for insertion into packs; Leaf is buying based on holder.......I highly doubt they scrutinize every "Non-pack pulled" third party authenticated Auto. Looking at Durant pack pulled autos compared to this one I think the PSA/DNA version is very questionable in my mind......and the minds of those I have just received PMs from.

i hear you george. my post was about the complaint of the product...yet again..

that durant is a separate concern altogether, though

as you stated above, i also believe that leaf buys all psa dna slabbed cards based on the holder as well

i dont have knowledge on durant autos and yes, it does look a bit off from the other psa dna slabbed ones like these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-DNA-AUTH-07 ... 500wt_1413" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-DNA-AUTH-07 ... 500wt_1413" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-DNA-AUTH-07 ... 602wt_1413" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

but again, there could be many reasons for this...

psa dna may have passed this on a bulk sub on durants?

maybe, just maybe....that psa dna authenticators know something better than us?

many different scenes here...and it's def. messed up if it ended up not being authentic but honestly, it's a toughy..

dave

 

[P_Manning 18]

Does it matter that these PSA slabbed examples are apparently from a BG eBay account?

Dave, you are correct.

Guess the point is more about the validity of PSA/DNA.....JSA...etc. These are subjective and fakes pass through authentication.
Leaf purchases cards for insertion into packs; Leaf is buying based on holder.......I highly doubt they scrutinize every "Non-pack pulled" third party authenticated Auto. Looking at Durant pack pulled autos compared to this one I think the PSA/DNA version is very questionable in my mind......and the minds of those I have just received PMs from.

i hear you george. my post was about the complaint of the product...yet again..

that durant is a separate concern altogether, though

as you stated above, i also believe that leaf buys all psa dna slabbed cards based on the holder as well

i dont have knowledge on durant autos and yes, it does look a bit off from the other psa dna slabbed ones like these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-DNA-AUTH-07 ... 500wt_1413" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-DNA-AUTH-07 ... 500wt_1413" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-DNA-AUTH-07 ... 602wt_1413" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

but again, there could be many reasons for this...

psa dna may have passed this on a bulk sub on durants?

maybe, just maybe....that psa dna authenticators know something better than us?

many different scenes here...and it's def. messed up if it ended up not being authentic but honestly, it's a toughy..

dave