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TNP777

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I logged into Beckett for the first time in quite a while - jacksoncoupage returned a PM I had sent him asking if he had saved a copy of that variation thread over on the old BMB. It's actually still viewable - check it out. Here's a cut & paste of the collated variations from the 1st post:

1981 Topps: several cards can be found without their top black border
1982 Topps Blackless: Missing the black ink on front
1982 Topps Blueless: Missing the blue ink on front
1983 Topps Traded: single or double asterisk on back (* or **)
1986 Donruss Highlights: Highlights logo on front can be found in white (rare) or yellow
1986 Topps Mini Leaders: dull or glossy finish
1987 Donruss Backs: back face either left or right, factory vs. wax/rack/cello1987 Sportflics: Copyright '86 or '87 or no copyright on back
1988 Bazooka: White or Gray cardstock
1988 Bazooka: single or double asterisk (* or **)
1988 Donruss: Partial or missing copyright/TM on fronts
1988 Donruss Borders: Factory borders/back text differ from wax/rack/cellos
1988 Topps Big: Most cards can be found with multiple print desinations (ex: E* and F*). Some cards can be found where a part of the print designation has been poorly airbrushed away.
1989 Bowman Father/Sons subset: Textured TV/solid gray TV
1989 Donruss INC/INC. : in copyright on back
1989 Donruss Denotes*/*Denotes* : in stat box on back
1989 Donruss Grand Slammers: 5 different colored borders, one color has black bars in back borders
1989 Score Promos/No Copyright: Missing copyright on back-bottom
1989 Topps All Star Commemorative: White or Gray cardstock
1989 Topps Glossy All-Stars: * and **
1989 Upper Deck #2-99: can be found with TM or R-symbol next to logos on front
1990 Bowman 1st printing/2nd printing: airbushed uniforms, backgrounds
1990 Bowman Art Cards: single or double asterisk on back (* or **)
1990 Donruss INC/INC. : in copyright on back
1990 Donruss Splatter variations: factory and wax/rack/cello versions differ
1990 Donruss Grand Slammers: with or without black bars in back borders
1990 Fleer All-Stars: text cropping variations on back
1990 Fleer Baseball MVP's: Thick black line/bar at top of photo/border
1990 Fleer Canadian: copyright on back notes being printed in Canada on this limited release
1990 Topps Traded: Gray backs (wax) or White box (factory)
1990 Topps Traded: single or double asterisk on back (* or **)
1990 Upper Deck No Copyright: cards #101-199 with or without copyright line on back
1991 Bowman E*: players with E** print designations can be found with E**, E*, E * variations.
1991 Donruss INC/INC. Noticeable by the lighter and darker cardstock
1991 Donruss Border variations: Factory and wax/rack/cello versions differ
1991 Donruss Grand Slammers: Blue and Green borders
1991 Donruss Grand Slammers: Blue bordered cards have three different varieties
1991 Fleer: due to use of 2 different printers, each card comes in two versions, most very minor
1991 Stadium Club: most (possibly all) cards come in 2 different print designations (ex: A* and B*)
1991 Topps A* and B*: all cards with this print designation come in either bold red 40th or dull/ghosted 40th logo on back
1991 Topps Traded: Gray backs (wax) or White backs (factory)
1991 Topps Traded: single or double asterisk on back (* or **) (gray backs only)
1991 Upper Deck: Holograms on back come in four different ways: 90-91-style (used for hi# 90-91 Hockey), 1990-baseball style (used for 1990 UD baseball), 1991-style (used for many 1991 UD products) and in 1992 style (used on 1992 UD, 1991-92 Hi # NBA/NFL and NHL).
1991 US Playing Card All Stars: US copyright, International Copyright and US Copyright/Silver Edged versions exist.
1992 Bowman E*: E* sheet players can be found in an E variation (no asterisk).
1992 Bowman Foil: All the non-"SP" foils come in two different photo croppings.
1992 Donruss INC/INC.
1992 Investors Journals: Blue, Gold, Purple borders
1992 Leaf INC/INC.
1992 Leaf Black Gold: Some, possibly all can be found in INC and INC. versions
1992 Score Dream Team: Backs face left or right
1992 Score #736-776: Come with or without the "rookie prospect" banner on front
1992 Stadium Club: most (possibly all) cards come in 2 different print designations (ex: A* and B*)
1992 Topps McDonald's: single asterisk or double asterisk (* or **)
1994 Upper Deck Collector's Choice Future Foundation: Silver Sig cards can be found with base-white lettering on front or with appropriate silver lettering on front.
1994 Upper Deck Collector's Choice Future Foundation: first letter in text on back can be found in white or gray color.
1994 SP Foils: come in either white names on back or gold/bronze names on back
1994 Upper Deck Electric Diamond: some, possibly all series 1 cards come in a "silver" version where the stat heading bar on back is silver instead or bronze
1995 Stadium Club Foil Subsets (Transactions/Extreme Corps): Minimum of 4 different color varieties.
1997 Score Hobby Reserve: HR prefix to number and no prefix types exist.
1997 Upper Deck Capture the Flag: some, possibly all cards in this subset come in either white or gold backs
1998 Finest Mystery Finest: Base, refractor number identified with 'R', Refractor number identified with 'Refractor', Refractor identified with 'R' with no refraction
2004 Topps Series 2: Some cards can be found with "53 Years of Collecting" stamped on front under name.
 

predatorkj

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Got these in a big lot today.I wonder what happened with these.It looks like they just made a mistake but they are pretty big mistakes.Pretty cool nonetheless and I did count them as different cards because they are in fact different from the normal cards by a long shot.

2000 Upper Deck MVP.

Front:


Back:


Notice it has a back for Troy Glaus.Pretty odd I thought.

2001 Upper Deck Sweetspot

Front:


Notice Vlad Guerrero and Montreal Expos but with Bags in the picture.

Back:


Just thought I'd throw these into the conversation.
 

onionring9

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ha reminds me of one of my all time favorite errors...wrong sport completely (mcgwire on a hockey card!)

 

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By the way, these types of cards I posted won't go on the list. We're looking for setwide errors, not individual!
 

predatorkj

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onionring9 said:
By the way, these types of cards I posted won't go on the list. We're looking for setwide errors, not individual!

Eh...I count my bagwells different than most.I always list a different card if it is fact different.There may not be many of these errors or there may be a ton but in my mind...either way...its a legit card and a legit error so i count it as a different card.This is not a a common occurrence and the ones like the leaf where a super minor detail is different is not something I count.For me it has to be completely different.Of course I am not networking like you so I don't have anybody else to compare notes with although I think I'd like to pick your brain on a few items I have eventually when I get my crap sorted out.There is one other Bagwell super collector(by super collector I mean a person who still avidly collects him and keeps up with all of his stuff out there) that I know of and I haven't spoken to him much.If he ever decided to sell his collection...and I had some available funds...I could easily be at around 98% or 99% completion.This would even include oddballs not listed as I already have around 150 or 200 not listed by beckett.Most of them being star but not all.
 

onionring9

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predatorkj said:
onionring9 said:
By the way, these types of cards I posted won't go on the list. We're looking for setwide errors, not individual!

Eh...I count my bagwells different than most.I always list a different card if it is fact different.There may not be many of these errors or there may be a ton but in my mind...either way...its a legit card and a legit error so i count it as a different card.This is not a a common occurrence and the ones like the leaf where a super minor detail is different is not something I count.For me it has to be completely different.Of course I am not networking like you so I don't have anybody else to compare notes with although I think I'd like to pick your brain on a few items I have eventually when I get my crap sorted out.There is one other Bagwell super collector(by super collector I mean a person who still avidly collects him and keeps up with all of his stuff out there) that I know of and I haven't spoken to him much.If he ever decided to sell his collection...and I had some available funds...I could easily be at around 98% or 99% completion.This would even include oddballs not listed as I already have around 150 or 200 not listed by beckett.Most of them being star but not all.
We actually have two lists, "cards only" and "masterlist". These cards which are unknown printer malfunctions only go on the masterlist. They are counted different, but not as a "variation" or "widespread error". We use the "cards only" as the "must have" checklist of cards and the masterlist to list 'oops' cards or tins or keychains, etc.
 

predatorkj

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onionring9 said:
We actually have two lists, "cards only" and "masterlist". These cards which are unknown printer malfunctions only go on the masterlist. They are counted different, but not as a "variation" or "widespread error". We use the "cards only" as the "must have" checklist of cards and the masterlist to list 'oops' cards or tins or keychains, etc.

Yeah but are you referencing the donruss preferred tins or something else.Last I checked those were on the beckett list and I would at the very least take that as a cards list although it is not a card.Also the old tops triple headers...I am not sure if Mac has a ball from that set but things like that I list.Even the McFarlanes I list.For instance...SLU's are in the beckett list but they only list the cards that came with the SLU's if I am correct.But since I only have a few cards out of the package...I just count the SLU's I have since I have all of Bagwell's SLU's and that way I don't have to go chasing after the individual cards from already opened up figurines.I technically have all of the cards anyway.They are just still sealed in the original packaging.

I do feel bad for you though because having a player from the mid 80's- the mid 90's is tough.Thats when cards were the most popular in my opinion and it seemed everybody and their brother was making baseball cards.Ceral manufactures , k-mart, woolworths...you name it.Poor Bouwob is still looking for some Nolan Ryans that were in those 25 cent machines available locally in Texas for his Nolan Ryan collection.I think i found one of them for him but I was never quite sure if it was what he needed or not.Hell...even whataburger made a Nolan Ryan set.
 

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predatorkj said:
Yeah but are you referencing the donruss preferred tins or something else.Last I checked those were on the beckett list and I would at the very least take that as a cards list although it is not a card.
I bolded our huge difference.

We deviated from beckett long ago because their list was not remotely complete or even correct. We have more knowledge as a group than beckett does on McGwire cards and variations. We don't really care if beckett lists it because beckett isn't the standard for us (though it helped us tremendously and still does). In our minds, (taking the preferred tins as an example), we look at it and say it's a tin, not a card so we omit if from the cards only list. That doesn't mean we don't collect it because it's on the master list and not the cards only list. Most of us grab everything we can get our hands on (I collect them as well). But that's what the masterlist is for (everything that isn't a card or resemble one). Granted there's some gray area, but for keychains, yoyos, etc it's obvious which list it belongs in for us.
 

predatorkj

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onionring9 said:
predatorkj said:
Yeah but are you referencing the donruss preferred tins or something else.Last I checked those were on the beckett list and I would at the very least take that as a cards list although it is not a card.
I bolded our huge difference.

We deviated from beckett long ago because their list was not remotely complete or even correct. We have more knowledge as a group than beckett does on McGwire cards and variations. We don't really care if beckett lists it because beckett isn't the standard for us (though it helped us tremendously and still does). In our minds, (taking the preferred tins as an example), we look at it and say it's a tin, not a card so we omit if from the cards only list. That doesn't mean we don't collect it because it's on the master list and not the cards only list. Most of us grab everything we can get our hands on (I collect them as well). But that's what the masterlist is for (everything that isn't a card or resemble one). Granted there's some gray area, but for keychains, yoyos, etc it's obvious which list it belongs in for us.

Did they make any Big Mac pogs?If so...which list would you classify that in.
 

onionring9

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predatorkj said:
Did they make any Big Mac pogs?If so...which list would you classify that in.
Nope no pogs, though I kind of wish they did!

We should probably stop talking about this though on this thread because we're ruining the OP :)
 

metallicalex777

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Hey guys...got this from a contest win late last year. Anybody know the story/print run of this Nolan Ryan error card? It's Nolan Ryan on the front (obviously) with a different player on the back:



Any help would be greatly appreciated :D

Thanks guys!!!

Alex
 

Bornagaincollector

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I was going through a box of 89 Donruss i got last weekend,and i have 2 copies of Biggio's RC.One with period after inc & one without.If any Biggio's collectors need them.Send me a pm.
 

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Has anyone ever verified the existence of a 2002 Topps Albert Pujols with the correct photo on back? I have never seen one. I believe the photo was corrected for Opening Day and Chrome, but not the base set.
 

KLARNOLD

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Mighty Bombjack said:
Has anyone ever verified the existence of a 2002 Topps Albert Pujols with the correct photo on back? I have never seen one. I believe the photo was corrected for Opening Day and Chrome, but not the base set.
Rich Klein, formerly of Beckett, use to write an error & variation article. A few years ago, he wrote about the 2002 Topps Albert Pujols and included a picture from a dealer who first discovered it. If I remember correctly, the dealer said that the corrected versions supposedly came from the last print run of blue factory sets, also called Holiday sets. Only a few corrected cards were found by the dealer as most were still the error version. I would guess that the corrected Pujols could be tougher to find than the 1987 Donruss Opening Day Barry Bonds/Johnny Ray error. We need someone to open a case of 2002 Topps Blue Factory sets to actually test this. Maybe we could do a group buy, if you could actually find a case.
 

MartinFFcollector

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KLARNOLD said:
Mighty Bombjack said:
Has anyone ever verified the existence of a 2002 Topps Albert Pujols with the correct photo on back? I have never seen one. I believe the photo was corrected for Opening Day and Chrome, but not the base set.
Rich Klein, formerly of Beckett, use to write an error & variation article. A few years ago, he wrote about the 2002 Topps Albert Pujols and included a picture from a dealer who first discovered it. If I remember correctly, the dealer said that the corrected versions supposedly came from the last print run of blue factory sets, also called Holiday sets. Only a few corrected cards were found by the dealer as most were still the error version. I would guess that the corrected Pujols could be tougher to find than the 1987 Donruss Opening Day Barry Bonds/Johnny Ray error. We need someone to open a case of 2002 Topps Blue Factory sets to actually test this. Maybe we could do a group buy, if you could actually find a case.
Found a Blue case. $500 plus around $60 shipping.

 

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