Oh Super Sweet 90's Inserts.... #3

[NECpilgrims8]

As you can tell, I'm here to Help My Cardboard Family out and not here to make $$

Now I wonder how many of each player were made....or out there floating around.

If the BIN was $75 lower, I'd buy the second copy of Biggio.

 

[nosterbor]

Pinnacle should have went with this for the fan fest. Anyone have it of their player?

Sandy Alomar 1997 Pinnacle Fanfest Promo FF21 All Star Game Fan Fest Indians SP | eBay

 

[nosterbor]

Rant? Maybe maybe not. I was just going over a lot of the threads on this site. Point #1 The National,some show on the west coast,east coast. The last national I was at was the National in Chicago. The last 3 shows i was at were local, St Pete and Tampa. The problem I have is so called Vintage. These shows were nothing but. 90-95%. about 1% or less was about this thread. The rest were new rookies. How sad. I have nothing against Vintage collectors. But most of the sellers I run into that sell this type are very snobbish and standoffish.
At the National a seller had some serial numbered cards in on small corner in one of his case's. I asked him if he had any more. He said that 90's stuff was junk and he had taken those cards in on trade.

I asked him how many 52 Mantle cards he had. 15! I showed him this and said there are only 10 of these [1 of only 2 cards I found at that show]

I asked him how rare are the Mantle's if you are one guy in the world that has 15 and I have 1 of a card that is printed to 10. How can you say 90's cards are junk? He said I should go, so I did. I do not think I will ever attend another National. There is no variety at all

Point #2 Ebay vs shows
Ebay will never have the volume of a 150 table show that was of the 90's. How can it? How many sellers will scan all his 100's of thousand's of cards and put them on ebay, this will never happen. At a show you packed up your 100 or so monster box's and put them out. What fun that was. I found more great cards at shows form 1992 to 2001 [9years] than I have from 2002 till now. 11 years
I found 2 of these at shows. One at a show in 2006 one in 2011.
#417 1996 Collector's Choice Gold Signature Team Card
How many ebayers will take time to list a card like that? NONE. Sad very sad.
Ebay will never come close to the shows of the 90's and early 2000's If you ask me sellers got very lazy. That's what doomed the mall show. Not ebay. yea yea you reach more on ebay but you do not sell more hard to find obscure cards like the one above because its too much work to list everything. Not enough big bucks to be made.

Anyway sorry for the rant. There truly are no better cards than Oh Super Sweet 90's Inserts!

 

[BunchOBull]

The National is a revenue machine; it brings people with pocketbooks big enough to A) travel to and from and pay for lodging B) attend the show and C) buy sports cards and memorabilia. Generally speaking, those who have enough discretionary income to attend such a show and spend any real money (meaning multiple thousands of dollars) are not collecting '90s inserts. There are exceptions, but they are just that, the odd case, not the rule. Vintage cards tend to attract the highest end buyers; prospects have a smaller niche, but can attract equally high end buyers. '90s folks aren't the cash cows those two group happen to be, and it's just not worth paying to transport and waste table space for the cards; 1993 Refractors and 1996 Mirror Golds notwithstanding.

 

[ASTROBURN]

Well said Nos. +1

And what other players had a Promo FanFest like yours? btw, nice looking card!

 

[budvandall]

Rant? Maybe maybe not. I was just going over a lot of the threads on this site. Point #1 The National,some show on the west coast,east coast. The last national I was at was the National in Chicago. The last 3 shows i was at were local, St Pete and Tampa. The problem I have is so called Vintage. These shows were nothing but. 90-95%. about 1% or less was about this thread. The rest were new rookies. How sad. I have nothing against Vintage collectors. But most of the sellers I run into that sell this type are very snobbish and standoffish.
At the National a seller had some serial numbered cards in on small corner in one of his case's. I asked him if he had any more. He said that 90's stuff was junk and he had taken those cards in on trade.

I asked him how many 52 Mantle cards he had. 15! I showed him this and said there are only 10 of these [1 of only 2 cards I found at that show]

I asked him how rare are the Mantle's if you are one guy in the world that has 15 and I have 1 of a card that is printed to 10. How can you say 90's cards are junk? He said I should go, so I did. I do not think I will ever attend another National. There is no variety at all

Point #2 Ebay vs shows
Ebay will never have the volume of a 150 table show that was of the 90's. How can it? How many sellers will scan all his 100's of thousand's of cards and put them on ebay, this will never happen. At a show you packed up your 100 or so monster box's and put them out. What fun that was. I found more great cards at shows form 1992 to 2001 [9years] than I have from 2002 till now. 11 years
I found 2 of these at shows. One at a show in 2006 one in 2011.
#417 1996 Collector's Choice Gold Signature Team Card
How many ebayers will take time to list a card like that? NONE. Sad very sad.
Ebay will never come close to the shows of the 90's and early 2000's If you ask me sellers got very lazy. That's what doomed the mall show. Not ebay. yea yea you reach more on ebay but you do not sell more hard to find obscure cards like the one above because its too much work to list everything. Not enough big bucks to be made.

Anyway sorry for the rant. There truly are no better cards than Oh Super Sweet 90's Inserts!

Very well said! I loved going to the local shows because of the different stuff to sort through and the one on one experience.

 

[nosterbor]

The National is a revenue machine; it brings people with pocketbooks big enough to A) travel to and from and pay for lodging B) attend the show and C) buy sports cards and memorabilia. Generally speaking, those who have enough discretionary income to attend such a show and spend any real money (meaning multiple thousands of dollars) are not collecting '90s inserts. There are exceptions, but they are just that, the odd case, not the rule. Vintage cards tend to attract the highest end buyers; prospects have a smaller niche, but can attract equally high end buyers. '90s folks aren't the cash cows those two group happen to be, and it's just not worth paying to transport and waste table space for the cards; 1993 Refractors and 1996 Mirror Golds notwithstanding.

If you look at the sales of some top names for the serial numbered cards for the 90,s they blow away most vintage stuff. Jordan, Griffey, Clark, Thomas, Gonzalez etc. Maybe just maybe they are just to rare after all. But for some pompous ass to say 90's cards are junk is very moronic. It was very uneducated on his part.
I went with 10k to by some cards and spent $150. Drove from the Tampa area to Chicago for that show and to me it was an epic fail. I guess I was the uneducated moron to think there would be somewhat more. Wont happen again unless it comes to Orlando or Tampa. That will never happen. It is presumed all the big money is in the Midwest, Northeast or out west.::facepalm::

Being at that national was the worse vacation I ever had.

BTY, I saw 1 mirror gold and 10 93 refractors at that show. Ran into 15-20 people 3 were woman looking for the same thing I was. That was just a small sample. They were asking the same of sellers, do you have any 90's inserts? I Just asked No no no no no.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

To me based on what's happening in this thread plus other recaps of the National etc, there should be a market for some dealers/eBayers that deal in this stuff to set up there. But it's about space and what they can afford to travel with to make it worth the time and space rental. Most of that would be higher dollar items , which are found on eBay. To start bring Collectors Choice etc, well good for the player/team collectors would be hard to justify the big expense of the space.

Ryan

 

[BunchOBull]

If you look at the sales of some top names for the serial numbered cards for the 90,s they blow away most vintage stuff. Jordan, Griffey, Clark, Thomas, Gonzalez etc. Maybe just maybe they are just to rare after all. But for some pompous ass to say 90's cards are junk is very moronic. It was very uneducated on his part.
I went with 10k to by some cards and spent $150. Drove from the Tampa area to Chicago for that show and to me it was an epic fail. I guess I was the uneducated moron to think there would be somewhat more. Wont happen again unless it comes to Orlando or Tampa. That will never happen. It is presumed all the big money is in the Midwest, Northeast or out west.::facepalm::

Being at that national was the worse vacation I ever had.

BTY, I saw 1 mirror gold and 10 93 refractors at that show. Ran into 15-20 people 3 were woman looking for the same thing I was. That was just a small sample. They were asking the same of sellers, do you have any 90's inserts? I Just asked No no no no no.

I don't disagree...but a 1990s insert that sells for $1k+ is usually priced as such due to scarcity. If it's scarce, it's hard to come by, even for well rounded dealers. On the other hand, vintage cards that sell for great premium were printed en mass, with condition driving value. Things that aren't scarce but are highly valuable are much easier to come by than things that had limited production. A dealer can come much better stocked with vintage customers in mind, versus 1990s collectors for one reason alone...availability. I promise you, if they had rare Jordans and Jeters available, the vast majority of them would have them out or would have already sold them via eBay or auction house. These cards are the exception...I used refractors and mirrors as a hypothetical. eBay has much lower overhead than going halfway across the country to sell in person. The National isn't known for deals, steals, or bargain boxes. It happens, but you're paying for the atmosphere, the increased dealer costs, and the opportunity to lay your eyes on the items before purchase. Dealers will always bring the sure thing, versus the maybe...let's face it, most 1990s inserts are worthless.

 

[budvandall]

I have been wanting to go to the national for years. I'm not so sure now. I have been told by many people that it is mostly vintage now. After reading some of the threads here, I'm not sure the travel cost, hotel, and time off work would be worth it.

 

[flagshipchromecollector]

I've been collecting Bonds since 1998. After 15 years of searching card shops, shows, and online, I finally found the 1996 Collector's Choice Gold Signature #409 (not a signature rather a gold teamp stamp). I know a few other player collectors who also have had a hard time finding this card. When I won it last week on eBay it was the first and only time I've ever seen the issue. I was starting to doubt it's existance! In fact, about 10 years ago I sold the Cardinals/Ozzie Smith Silver Signature version for $10!
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Maddux has SEVEN golds in that set. Still missing 396 and 709. Those aren't really highly sought-after, but the odds on a particular 96 CC gold medallion are insanely tough.

 

[nosterbor]

Good points on the vintage vs 90's cards Guys. Someday in 10 years maybe it will change. But as of now I do miss going to shows, where we can see a very good variety. Maybe also some day the vintage collector will see that T-206 he just dished out 3k for that the next large vintage dealer will have 20 of the same card. He might wake up and ask himself, Why did I pay that. The one constant is if it is serial numbered to 10 that's all there is. They will not be coming out of some farm house wall or attic trunk!

 

[gradedeflator]

Well to be fair the vintage cards have been around a lot longer. I enjoy the hunt for 90s cards and the fact that by and large in the industry they aren't as "popular". I also love them personally because I grew up collecting 80s and 90s cards. Maybe in another 20-30 years they will be commanding large prices and all of us who regularly frequent this thread will be sitting on a gold mine (wishful thinking, anyways)

 

[MojoDan]

Good points on the vintage vs 90's cards Guys. Someday in 10 years maybe it will change. But as of now I do miss going to shows, where we can see a very good variety. Maybe also some day the vintage collector will see that T-206 he just dished out 3k for that the next large vintage dealer will have 20 of the same card. He might wake up and ask himself, Why did I pay that. The one constant is if it is serial numbered to 10 that's all there is. They will not be coming out of some farm house wall or attic trunk!

I fall into the category of being a bridge between the two. I love my 90s inserts and look just as forward to my $3 insert mail days as my 206s. I was lucky in that I was able to find my #1 card on my list (Walter Johnson) if I would have been able to attend the show in Chicago on eBay. That being said, I would have enjoyed looking for Mirror Red/Blue/Golds and maybe some Die Cuts in the bargain bins too.

Hoping that I am able to attend one of these years, but I will only have a fraction of the budget that you mentioned earlier.

Regardless, I hope you found some cards you really liked with the $150 that you spend.

 

[nosterbor]

The tek gold was one the other was a Gonzalez 2004 Timeless Treasures Signature Gold Serial numbered to 5.

 

[BunchOBull]

Good points on the vintage vs 90's cards Guys. Someday in 10 years maybe it will change. But as of now I do miss going to shows, where we can see a very good variety. Maybe also some day the vintage collector will see that T-206 he just dished out 3k for that the next large vintage dealer will have 20 of the same card. He might wake up and ask himself, Why did I pay that. The one constant is if it is serial numbered to 10 that's all there is. They will not be coming out of some farm house wall or attic trunk!

I'm there with you on '90s love, but I also enjoy the vintage material. I kind of like the hunt the lack of respect for the genre creates too.

 

[joey12508]

Rant? Maybe maybe not. I was just going over a lot of the threads on this site. Point #1 The National,some show on the west coast,east coast. The last national I was at was the National in Chicago. The last 3 shows i was at were local, St Pete and Tampa. The problem I have is so called Vintage. These shows were nothing but. 90-95%. about 1% or less was about this thread. The rest were new rookies. How sad. I have nothing against Vintage collectors. But most of the sellers I run into that sell this type are very snobbish and standoffish.
At the National a seller had some serial numbered cards in on small corner in one of his case's. I asked him if he had any more. He said that 90's stuff was junk and he had taken those cards in on trade.

I asked him how many 52 Mantle cards he had. 15! I showed him this and said there are only 10 of these [1 of only 2 cards I found at that show]

I asked him how rare are the Mantle's if you are one guy in the world that has 15 and I have 1 of a card that is printed to 10. How can you say 90's cards are junk? He said I should go, so I did. I do not think I will ever attend another National. There is no variety at all

Point #2 Ebay vs shows
Ebay will never have the volume of a 150 table show that was of the 90's. How can it? How many sellers will scan all his 100's of thousand's of cards and put them on ebay, this will never happen. At a show you packed up your 100 or so monster box's and put them out. What fun that was. I found more great cards at shows form 1992 to 2001 [9years] than I have from 2002 till now. 11 years
I found 2 of these at shows. One at a show in 2006 one in 2011.
#417 1996 Collector's Choice Gold Signature Team Card
How many ebayers will take time to list a card like that? NONE. Sad very sad.
Ebay will never come close to the shows of the 90's and early 2000's If you ask me sellers got very lazy. That's what doomed the mall show. Not ebay. yea yea you reach more on ebay but you do not sell more hard to find obscure cards like the one above because its too much work to list everything. Not enough big bucks to be made.

Anyway sorry for the rant. There truly are no better cards than Oh Super Sweet 90's Inserts!:p

agree 100 percent

 

[MansGame]

Some really good recent posts in here gents


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[Ghumbs]

Woah, stealdeal!

HUGE eBay steal. 1997 Finest Embossed Refractor Gold PSA 10 - Blowout Cards Forums

 

[MansGame]

Woah, stealdeal!

HUGE eBay steal. 1997 Finest Embossed Refractor Gold PSA 10 - Blowout Cards Forums

Ummmm I'm calling the police :lol:


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