Oh Super Sweet 90's Inserts.... #3

[athletics07]

Hey guys...

...just a heads up re: the Lilly and Cruz Jr. golden anniversary refractors being consigned by TNT. I think they may be altered sheet proofs from leximo.

I bid and won the Edgar before realizing the sheet proof sold recently. I took a closer look at the serial number and it has, what appears to be, an embossed nature to it. This is not the case for legit copies. Now two more have popped up. It's due to arrive in the next couple days and I'll update here... in case anyone was planning to bid on the the two up currently and would rather wait. All borders match up on all three as well.

 

[Gjb70]

Any idea how many NNO proofs are out there? I just did a search and looks like he has a bunch listed at $5 OBO. I'd like a Belle but the only one I saw went for much more.

 

[athletics07]

Any idea how many NNO proofs are out there? I just did a search and looks like he has a bunch listed at $5 OBO. I'd like a Belle but the only one I saw went for much more.

Just one each I believe from whichever sheets he had.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

Just one each I believe from whichever sheets he had.

He bought 1 of each sheet from that series. I do not know of more existing. The deal did not have the sheet with Clark etc on it. Some other cool sheets from the deal were 1993 Finest Refractor Front and Back proof sheets.

Ryan
Will Clark / Mike Brown Collector

 

[Matthew J Burrows]

Not sure how many of you have a beckett from the 90's, but I picked up an August 2000 edition with A-Rod on the cover and the prices of our favorite 90's inserts is crazy!! If anybody is curious about one let me know. My biggest surprise so far is how many inserts at the 1:120 rate or so were worth $50 back in 2000. Oh how times have changed. I just picked up a 99 Finest Prominent Figured /190 for $4 the other day. It books at $50 back in 2000 lol.

 

[chippercards.com]

Kind of surprised I won this listing for just $60. Sometimes it pays to put in those half-hearted bids!

 

[maestracewslover]

I was watching that Mac too wondering what it would go for. Good deal, congrats!

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[GameJerseyPR]

Anyone looking for a Ripken 1998 leaf fractal materials z2 axis /20 wood?


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[banjar]

Oh man that's a nice one! Gotta be worth at LEAST ten bucks.

Anyone looking for a Ripken 1998 leaf fractal materials z2 axis /20 wood?

 

[Ripkenfan126]

Anyone looking for a Ripken 1998 leaf fractal materials z2 axis /20 wood?


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I know a few people that are.
You wanna shoot me a PM?
I would send you one but always do it wrong lol.

 

[athletics07]

Hey guys...

...just a heads up re: the Lilly and Cruz Jr. golden anniversary refractors being consigned by TNT. I think they may be altered sheet proofs from leximo.

I bid and won the Edgar before realizing the sheet proof sold recently. I took a closer look at the serial number and it has, what appears to be, an embossed nature to it. This is not the case for legit copies. Now two more have popped up. It's due to arrive in the next couple days and I'll update here... in case anyone was planning to bid on the the two up currently and would rather wait. All borders match up on all three as well.

I will only present this as my opinion but I believe these to be illegitimate. It would probably be easier to tell outside of sleeves in photos but I'm comparing in top loaders for consistency due to TNT's tamper label. I know it means nothing but may as well not complicate matters. The color of the foil is wroong, the size of the numerical stamps are wrong and the impressions left behind by the serial number are wrong.

Most damning are the two border dimples which extend out from his bat.

And here are the same two dimples from the original leximo listing. Glad i saved the listing photos because they have since expired as a completed listing.

Giving the timing, I'd assume the consignor expected those listings to expire prior to processing through TNT. All in all, a really good serial forgery and an unfortunate development for this set. Really puts a damper on my desire to keep chasing these ghosts.

 

[linuxabuser]

[MENTION=10975]athletics07[/MENTION], which ones of the ones you posted do you assume to be fakes?

 

[RustyGreerFan]

And this is what many of us feared when as this stuff kept hitting the market. People are buying up the non-numbereds, numbering them, and selling them as legit. Now it's extremely difficult to know if any card you are bidding on is legitimate or not. Really damaging to the hobby...

 

[athletics07]

[MENTION=10975]athletics07[/MENTION], which ones of the ones you posted do you assume to be fakes?

Just the Edgar. When I said "they" I was referring to the Cruz and Lilly currently on eBay. The Smoltz and Bonds are wholly legit and in the photos for comparison.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

Err, that is very frustrating.

Ryan
Will Clark / Mike Brown Collector

 

[linuxabuser]

Just the Edgar. When I said "they" I was referring to the Cruz and Lilly currently on eBay. The Smoltz and Bonds are wholly legit and in the photos for comparison.

Gotcha, thanks. The serial numbering on the Edgar is pretty good for a fake, but side-by-side with legit copies it is easier to spot. Very good detective work.

 

[joey12508]

That sucks, i have a numberd one from years ago and i picked up a non numberd not to long ago.

 

[Fandruw25]

I missed out on a green copy last month that sold BIN before I even saw it so I was happy to be able pick up a purple copy. This is #17 . I can't imagine there are too many more floating around that aren't locked up in collections.

 

[bigunitcards]

I missed out on a green copy last month that sold BIN before I even saw it so I was happy to be able pick up a purple copy. This is #17 . I can't imagine there are too many more floating around that aren't locked up in collections.

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Geez that Purple CTA looks so good at that lighting angle, well done sir. Maybe one day....

 

[carrsallstars]

It looks like you sized it up correctly to me. And it's disappointing. The font on the Edgar looks bad. I will say, though, that the dimples can be consistently located on certain issues. The David Ortiz Golden Anniversary, for example, all have a dimple in the same place (I have owned 4). I have a couple regular gold Edgars I can check. If the your Edgar has embossed font, can you tell if it shows up very lightly on the front of the card looking through the toploader?

I will only present this as my opinion but I believe these to be illegitimate. It would probably be easier to tell outside of sleeves in photos but I'm comparing in top loaders for consistency due to TNT's tamper label. I know it means nothing but may as well not complicate matters. The color of the foil is wroong, the size of the numerical stamps are wrong and the impressions left behind by the serial number are wrong.

Most damning are the two border dimples which extend out from his bat.

And here are the same two dimples from the original leximo listing. Glad i saved the listing photos because they have since expired as a completed listing.

Giving the timing, I'd assume the consignor expected those listings to expire prior to processing through TNT. All in all, a really good serial forgery and an unfortunate development for this set. Really puts a damper on my desire to keep chasing these ghosts.