Omar, 42 years old and batting 360

[hofautos]

Of course he only had 18 At Bats...but cheers to him!
Don't discount him for a run at 3000 Hits

 

[Philip J. Fry]

Will he keep playing like Rickey?

 

[hofautos]

Of course he only had 18 At Bats...but cheers to him!
Don't discount him for a run at 3000 Hits

We had rickey for the padres in 2001 at 43 years old, and the crowd went wild for him every time he got at bat....also saw him get his 3000th hit. I, along with the crowds loved him, even though he didnt have a terrific year....still stole 7 bags though

 

[prozac4312]

Best defensive shortstop EVAR!

 

[hofautos]

Best defensive shortstop EVAR!

hows his number compare to ozzie smith?

 

[markakis8]

He won't get 3,000 hits, especially now that he is a backup SS.

But he will be a HOF someday. Probably not 1st ballot, but if Ozzie is in, no way you cannot include Omar.

 

[prozac4312]

Best defensive shortstop EVAR!

hows his number compare to ozzie smith?

Omar has more putouts than Ozzie, Ozzie's got him in assists...

Ozzie made about 100 more errors in 1200 more chances than Omar.

Omar's all time fielding percentage is 6 points higher than Ozzie (.984 vs .978).

And Omar was a better hitter...higher career batting average, more career doubles, triples, homers, RBI. Ozzie had a few hundred more steals than Omar.

 

[Mozzie22]

Best defensive shortstop EVAR!

Get real. ::facepalm::

Omar Vizquel is frequently compared to Ozzie Smith not only because of his Gold Gloves but because he actually has a higher career fielding percentage than Ozzie. Fielding percentage is a flawed statistic because it fails to take into account range factor (RF). Range factor is what is truly important for a SS and in this comparison. Ozzie had a career range factor/game of almost 1.0 higher than his league average. Vizquel’s is around .3 better than league average. In fact, the year Vizquel made only 3 errors, his range factor is below league average. More assists are more valuable than fewer errors and Ozzie is the king of assists.

Ozzie Smith had a career range factor of 5.22 versus a league average of 4.78. Omar’s RF was 4.64 versus a league average of 4.62. Ozzie Smith had a range factor of over 5.00 8 times in his career as opposed to Vizquel who never had a RF over 5. Simply put, Ozzie gets to balls that Omar just watches go by.

Omar Vizquel is a fine fielding SS but to anyone who has seen them both play it is just obvious that Ozzie was the superior fielder. Am I biased? Of course. Bill James knows more about baseball and baseball statistics than just about any person alive and he said that Ozzie is not only the greatest fielding SS of all time but he is the single greatest fielder at any postion in the history of the game... I agree. Also, I have an article around here somewhere that was written on ESPN.com or some place that makes a pretty good arguement that states compared to the era's they played in that Ozzie was actually the better offensive player too, but I'm more concerned with the defense.

 

[championMan]

Statistic wise and all the gold glove award alone make him deserve to be HOF. But keep in mind he played in the Steroids era so those old stat doesn't count as much as they use to . Also he reacted very strangely when MLB decide to have 50 game suspension on first test positive. He himself may have taking it in the past. I also remember he called out Albert Belle for using cork bat when he was with the Indians.

 

[markakis8]

Good post.

Can you tell me how the determine a number for RF? Would love to know.

EDIT: Nevermind. Googled it. Amazing what you can find if you aren't lazy ::facepalm::

Best defensive shortstop EVAR!

Get real. ::facepalm::

Omar Vizquel is frequently compared to Ozzie Smith not only because of his Gold Gloves but because he actually has a higher career fielding percentage than Ozzie. Fielding percentage is a flawed statistic because it fails to take into account range factor (RF). Range factor is what is truly important for a SS and in this comparison. Ozzie had a career range factor/game of almost 1.0 higher than his league average. Vizquel’s is around .3 better than league average. In fact, the year Vizquel made only 3 errors, his range factor is below league average. More assists are more valuable than fewer errors and Ozzie is the king of assists.

Ozzie Smith had a career range factor of 5.22 versus a league average of 4.78. Omar’s RF was 4.64 versus a league average of 4.62. Ozzie Smith had a range factor of over 5.00 8 times in his career as opposed to Vizquel who never had a RF over 5. Simply put, Ozzie gets to balls that Omar just watches go by.

Omar Vizquel is a fine fielding SS but to anyone who has seen them both play it is just obvious that Ozzie was the superior fielder. Am I biased? Of course. Bill James knows more about baseball and baseball statistics than just about any person alive and he said that Ozzie is not only the greatest fielding SS of all time but he is the single greatest fielder at any postion in the history of the game... I agree. Also, I have an article around here somewhere that was written on ESPN.com or some place that makes a pretty good arguement that states compared to the era's they played in that Ozzie was actually the better offensive player too, but I'm more concerned with the defense.

 

[TheDailyProspect]

Don't forget that RF is somewhat a flawed statistic.

Omar played in the steroid era...thus balls were hit harder on average...not just the balls out of the park but the balls that were on the ground

Ozzie played in some parks that had grass longer than my front yard...wrigley in the 70s...of course he also played on some parks that had the astroturf. But by playing on astrotruf it was eaiser to field

Omar had to field in cleveland in April and May.

I would take Omar over Ozzie any day of the week

Mark

 

[hofautos]

Don't forget that RF is somewhat a flawed statistic.

Omar played in the steroid era...thus balls were hit harder on average...not just the balls out of the park but the balls that were on the ground

Ozzie played in some parks that had grass longer than my front yard...wrigley in the 70s...of course he also played on some parks that had the astroturf. But by playing on astrotruf it was eaiser to field

Omar had to field in cleveland in April and May.

I would take Omar over Ozzie any day of the week

Mark

sounds like a battle commencing.. :lol:

 

[prozac4312]

Best defensive shortstop EVAR!

Get real. ::facepalm::

Omar Vizquel is frequently compared to Ozzie Smith not only because of his Gold Gloves but because he actually has a higher career fielding percentage than Ozzie. Fielding percentage is a flawed statistic because it fails to take into account range factor (RF). Range factor is what is truly important for a SS and in this comparison. Ozzie had a career range factor/game of almost 1.0 higher than his league average. Vizquel’s is around .3 better than league average. In fact, the year Vizquel made only 3 errors, his range factor is below league average. More assists are more valuable than fewer errors and Ozzie is the king of assists.

Ozzie Smith had a career range factor of 5.22 versus a league average of 4.78. Omar’s RF was 4.64 versus a league average of 4.62. Ozzie Smith had a range factor of over 5.00 8 times in his career as opposed to Vizquel who never had a RF over 5. Simply put, Ozzie gets to balls that Omar just watches go by.

Omar Vizquel is a fine fielding SS but to anyone who has seen them both play it is just obvious that Ozzie was the superior fielder. Am I biased? Of course. Bill James knows more about baseball and baseball statistics than just about any person alive and he said that Ozzie is not only the greatest fielding SS of all time but he is the single greatest fielder at any postion in the history of the game... I agree. Also, I have an article around here somewhere that was written on ESPN.com or some place that makes a pretty good arguement that states compared to the era's they played in that Ozzie was actually the better offensive player too, but I'm more concerned with the defense.

Biased fanboy-ism FTL.

 

[hofautos]

I must admit, that I give "Bill James" a lot of credit in his analysis...

 

[onehrk]

Best defensive shortstop EVAR!

Get real. ::facepalm::

Omar Vizquel is frequently compared to Ozzie Smith not only because of his Gold Gloves but because he actually has a higher career fielding percentage than Ozzie. Fielding percentage is a flawed statistic because it fails to take into account range factor (RF). Range factor is what is truly important for a SS and in this comparison. Ozzie had a career range factor/game of almost 1.0 higher than his league average. Vizquel’s is around .3 better than league average. In fact, the year Vizquel made only 3 errors, his range factor is below league average. More assists are more valuable than fewer errors and Ozzie is the king of assists.

Ozzie Smith had a career range factor of 5.22 versus a league average of 4.78. Omar’s RF was 4.64 versus a league average of 4.62. Ozzie Smith had a range factor of over 5.00 8 times in his career as opposed to Vizquel who never had a RF over 5. Simply put, Ozzie gets to balls that Omar just watches go by.

Omar Vizquel is a fine fielding SS but to anyone who has seen them both play it is just obvious that Ozzie was the superior fielder. Am I biased? Of course. Bill James knows more about baseball and baseball statistics than just about any person alive and he said that Ozzie is not only the greatest fielding SS of all time but he is the single greatest fielder at any postion in the history of the game... I agree. Also, I have an article around here somewhere that was written on ESPN.com or some place that makes a pretty good arguement that states compared to the era's they played in that Ozzie was actually the better offensive player too, but I'm more concerned with the defense.

Biased fanboy-ism FTL.

And what exactly are you doing? Although I think it's much closer than Mozzie indicates in his biased argument.

 

[Mozzie22]

Best defensive shortstop EVAR!

Get real. ::facepalm::

Omar Vizquel is frequently compared to Ozzie Smith not only because of his Gold Gloves but because he actually has a higher career fielding percentage than Ozzie. Fielding percentage is a flawed statistic because it fails to take into account range factor (RF). Range factor is what is truly important for a SS and in this comparison. Ozzie had a career range factor/game of almost 1.0 higher than his league average. Vizquel’s is around .3 better than league average. In fact, the year Vizquel made only 3 errors, his range factor is below league average. More assists are more valuable than fewer errors and Ozzie is the king of assists.

Ozzie Smith had a career range factor of 5.22 versus a league average of 4.78. Omar’s RF was 4.64 versus a league average of 4.62. Ozzie Smith had a range factor of over 5.00 8 times in his career as opposed to Vizquel who never had a RF over 5. Simply put, Ozzie gets to balls that Omar just watches go by.

Omar Vizquel is a fine fielding SS but to anyone who has seen them both play it is just obvious that Ozzie was the superior fielder. Am I biased? Of course. Bill James knows more about baseball and baseball statistics than just about any person alive and he said that Ozzie is not only the greatest fielding SS of all time but he is the single greatest fielder at any postion in the history of the game... I agree. Also, I have an article around here somewhere that was written on ESPN.com or some place that makes a pretty good arguement that states compared to the era's they played in that Ozzie was actually the better offensive player too, but I'm more concerned with the defense.

Biased fanboy-ism FTL.

"Biased fanboy-ism FTL."

Well what can I say to that? I gave you a well thought out statistical analysis and you came back with that...Wow. Of course I'm biased as you obviously are. Listen, this isn't just me trying to "have my boy's back," this is a statement of fact. Ozzie Smith was a superior DEFENSIVE player to Omar Vizquel. Are you actually old enough to have seen Ozzie Smith play? I am assuming you are not or we wouldn't be having this debate. I'm not even taking into consideration Gold Gloves because half of the time the actual winner doesn't deserve it. Once again, if you think I'm biased you're right but every respectable baseball historian, statistician, media member, and fan will agree with me on this issue.

Also, range factor is not an overrated stat.