Omar needs to get the boot out of NY

[thegreathambino]

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[trademhigh]

Lets go back... who did Omar trade..

Brandon Phillips
Grady Sizemore

Avery, you do realize that those two players were never in the Mets farm system, right?

 

[thegreathambino]

Lets go back... who did Omar trade..

Brandon Phillips
Grady Sizemore

Avery, you do realize that those two players were never in the Mets farm system, right?

oh haha.. sorry.. i do know that, i was just thinking about guys i would love the mets to trade for. Didn't mean to put them.

 

[thefasterblade]

I agree that Omar is a terrible GM, but you cannot use the Sizemore/Phillips deal as part of your argument. That trade was done in order to keep the Expos from being contracted. He was in a bad situation where he was either keeping those prospects and losing the team and his job or dealing them for Bortolo Colon and become a pretender.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

I agree that Omar is a pretty poor GM...but you're so off-base it's laughable. Kazmir was traded by Jim Duquette, and I don't even know who dealt Mora back in, what, 2000? These were not Omar's moves.

 

[thefasterblade]

Yea, I am beginning to question if you even know the Mets.

Heres a Minaya cheat sheet from Wikipedia:

New York Mets

In the mid-1990s, Minaya left Texas and returned home to join the staff of the New York Mets, working his way to Assistant General Manager behind Steve Phillips and being partly responsible for that team's late-1990s success. Minaya became the first Hispanic to hold a general manager position in Major League Baseball when he left the Mets in early 2002 to accept the General Manager position with the Montréal Expos. He returned to the Mets as General Manager following the 2004 season.

Minaya and the Mets were featured in the Sports Illustrated cover story for the June 18, 2007 issue.[2] The article focused on Minaya's upbringing in the Dominican Republic and Queens, as well as his brief minor league playing career, his two years playing professional baseball in Tuscany, and time as an international scout in the Rangers' organization.

[edit] Montréal Expos

At the time of Minaya's arrival in Montreal, the Expos were jointly owned by the 29 other teams of Major League Baseball. This unusual ownership arrangement was reached after a period of contraction rumors and the purchase of the Florida Marlins by former Expos owner Jeffrey Loria. With the fanbase rapidly declining and speculation that the team would be relocated, Minaya was forced to work with limited financial resources. Despite these limitations, Minaya was aggressive in his attempt to make the Expos a contender, adding Bartolo Colón and Cliff Floyd in a pair of mid-season trades. These moves helped the 2002 Expos to an 83-79 record and second place in the National League East.

After another 83-79 record and the departure of star Vladimir Guerrero in 2003, the Expos went 67-95 in 2004 amid reports that their future in Montréal would soon end. When it was announced that the Expos would relocate to Washington, DC for the 2005 season, Minaya learned that with the move would come a new front office and coaching position.

[edit] Return to the Mets

After the Mets continued to struggle at the conclusion of the 2004 season, Mets owner Fred Wilpon asked Minaya to become the team's general manager. In Minaya's first offseason he made two significant free agent signings, adding pitcher Pedro Martínez and outfielder Carlos Beltran. Signing Martinez helped raise the awareness of the Mets in Latin America, leading Minaya to remark that Martinez was "a guy that makes the brand."[3] Under new manager Willie Randolph, the Mets improved from 71 wins in 2004 to 83 wins in 2005, staying in the hunt for the postseason until the last week of the season.

Minaya's work in the 2005 offseason would further shape the franchise, adding closer Billy Wagner, first baseman Carlos Delgado and veteran catcher Paul Lo Duca. He also strengthened the bench by adding utility infielder José Valentín, first baseman Julio Franco and outfielder Endy Chavez. Bullpen acquisitions included Chad Bradford, Jorge Julio, and Duaner Sanchez. Despite the veteran additions, Minaya was able to limit payroll by trading Mike Cameron to the San Diego Padres for Xavier Nady and Kris Benson to the Baltimore Orioles for Jorge Julio and John Maine.

The benefits of Minaya's work became immediately apparent in 2006 as the Mets won the National League East by 12 games, finishing first with a National-League-best and Major League-tied 97 wins. During the season, Minaya fortified the team by making additional trades, acquiring Orlando Hernández (for Jorge Julio) and Óliver Pérez and Roberto Hernandez (for Xavier Nady) and trading away second baseman Kazuo Matsui.

Not all of Minaya's trades worked out in the Mets' favor, however. Moisés Alou signed a lucritive deal with the Mets as a free agent prior to the 2007 season, and only managed to play 87 games due to injury. In November 2006, Minaya sent Heath Bell and Royce Ring to the Padres for Ben Johnson and Jon Adkins. A few days later, he sent hard-throwing relievers Henry Owens and Matt Lindstrom to the Florida Marlins for lefties Jason Vargas and Adam Bostick. The following month, he traded starting pitcher Brian Bannister (son of former major league pitcher Floyd Bannister) to the Kansas City Royals for a live bullpen arm in Ambiorix Burgos. Bannister has no began to struggle in Kansas City Royals organization.

The young pitchers dealt away by Minaya, most notably Bell and Bannister, thrived with their new teams, and very definitely could have helped the 2007 Mets avert the historical breakdown they suffered at the end of the season. Instead, the Mets netted very little on these deals, and the Philadelphia Phillies captured the division on the last day of the season when the Mets ran out of pitching. Minaya resigned Moises Alou to yet another big contract for the 2008 season. Injuries plagued Moises most of the first half of the season-- allowing him to only play 15 games. Just before the All Star break, the Mets shut him down for the season.

Minaya's biggest acquisition came on January 29, 2008 when he reached a tentative deal with the Minnesota Twins to send Carlos Gómez, Philip Humber, Kevin Mulvey, and Deolis Guerra to the Twins for ace pitcher Johan Santana. The trade became official after Santana was signed to a contract extension and passed a physical. As of June 2, 2009, these 4 players have little to no effect on the Twins organization except for Gomez, the lone player in the majors of the 4. The next offseason Omar needed to address the bullpen. On December 9th, Minaya locked up Francisco Rodríguez to a three year deal. Rodriguez is coming off a major league record of 62 saves in the 2008 season. Three days later, Minaya acquired JJ Putz from the Mariners in a three team deal.

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Considering he was able to trade Phillip Humber, Deolis Guerra and Chris Gomez for Johan Santana, maybe you should be praising him for his trading prowess.

 

[thegreathambino]

sorry guys, i do know the best,.. should've looked up some stuff

 

[ballerskrip]

Guys, please realize that the GM's duties aren't to run the minor league system. He should be putting the right people in place to run the minor league system however....

If I had my ways....Get a new Head of Scouting, Player Development, and Baseball Operations. That would make a BIG difference in the system.

Also, Omar, stop trading your pitching prospects. Trading Heath Bell and Matt Lindstrom for nothing? Imagine that bullpen...Lindstrom, Bell, Putz, and K-rod. The starters would only need to go 6 innings seach game.

skrip

 

[EricInCT]

The game I watched last night......the 'other' reyes might be the worst leadoff hitter in all of baseball.

I would have pinch hitted Marinao Rivera if they were on the same team :lol: :lol: