Opinions Needed...Real or Fake signed All Star jersey? PICS!

[sprtsstar4ever]

And people wonder why forgers are so successful, because of saps like this who not only buy this junk, but also the people on here who think the signatures are real. There is a sucker born every minute.

 

[MartinFFcollector]

It was asked why would someone fake it? Um, Money!

So are old sigs on a 2010 JSY a sign someone (scammer) has outdated reference material ? Or is it just a fluke because of the signing surface or other reasoning?

Earlier it was posted how can someone make so many autos that look real....with practice. I bought a Dodgers team auto bat years ago. Every board I posted on said "looks good" etc. And they did look good. Until finally it was pointed out that a player had a JSY # that he never used and then I noticed a sig that had a new start point from any auto he's signed.

Also mentioned was negativity- People are just giving their opinions. The OP didn't say "Whisper nice things in my ear". He asked for opinions and that's all I have seen being given. I'd love for this to turn out to be a steal for the OP. But like I mentioned on another board, the provenance just doesn't add up imo.

Seller of this jersey is selling a Vlad IP RC Classic Auto. Same issue certified (pack pulled) sells for 7x less than his. Why does he want so much ($159) for 1 card that if he's friends with Vlad and his family he can get more easily? He wants as much for that 1 card as he got for this Jersey with 40 sigs. ?? He has a few certified autos for sale that are higher end. Why leave $ on the table by not authenticating this JSY? His authenticated items are at or above market value, yet he sells 2 Jerseys with 40+ autos for <$200 ea. So he decided getting a Authenticated Game Issued Jersey to Vlad to get 40 people to sign (x2) was so easy that $150 was worth it and that's all he could get. ?? His $89 start price was the least he was willing to accept. He knows about authentication and the $ it can bring. $200 could have gotten him possibly thousands more. Based on his current/past transactions, he IS aware of that.

Seller has a Green Bay full helmet with over 40 sigs. " The coa is from us, I have some photo's of the players signing that will go with the helmet too " said the seller. Funny how his start price is what that unsigned helmet goes for. 40 autos and your not worried about some profit margin?

Teixeira Auto ball JSA $250. http://cgi.ebay.com/MARK-TEIXEIRA-S...321?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ef744e81 But not the helmet or jerseys? He does not give stuff away!

I'm not a auto expert. But the autos do look good. But I glanced at them and my "looks good" is on about 3 autos from memory. But looking good and the provenance and really knowing your stuff is what matters. If someone is skilled enough they can forge autos. Just practice........ But I bet in this day and age there are some better ways using tracing or similar practices.

"While it is impossible to definitely estimate the percentage of forged memorabilia, most industry experts concede that over half of the autographed memorabilia is forged. In fact, some cooperating subjects and memorabilia experts believe that up to ninety percent of the memorabilia on the market is forged." - FBI website

In April 2000, the FBI's Operation Bullpen busted a nationwide ring of forgers and seized approximately $10 million of forged memorabilia supposedly signed by athletes and celebrities (this includes some dealers that were previously considered "reputable"). "

Another Red Flag IMO is how they mention the COA. When it's BGS/JSA or PSA/DNA they clearly state that. When it's these jerseys or the Helmet, they simply state matching COA's. Come to find out the COA is not the retutable BGS or PSA one, it's theirs. And who are they again? My 8yo could make a COA. But they match! Umm Yeah they SHOULD match you made them. lol The fact that they leave that out of the listing and only some people will inquire on it, shows they are fishing for ignorance. IMO

I have more opinions but I'll stop. Just trying to help by giving a thought out opinion. I wish people did the same for some junk I've purchased over the years instead of getting the one word, non fact based response, "Real". I hope it turns out real.

Spend the $150 and send it to JSA.
All we can do is guess. Educated or not.

 

[FortyFour]

Wouldnt it cost $700-800 to authenticate this?

 

[MartinFFcollector]

Wouldnt it cost $700-800 to authenticate this?

OP was quoted $150.

I called JSA and they told me it would be $150 for the whole thing!

 

[FortyFour]

Wouldnt it cost $700-800 to authenticate this?

OP was quoted $150.

I called JSA and they told me it would be $150 for the whole thing!

Ah, I was thinking $15-20 a sig.

 

[A_Pharis]

Don't they only charge you for the most expensive sig?

 

[csmtampa]

And people wonder why forgers are so successful, because of saps like this who not only buy this junk, but also the people on here who think the signatures are real. There is a sucker born every minute.

 

[cubsfan_2007]

We'll never hear from this guy again if any / or all autographs from that jersey fails PSA/DNA.

He didn't want opinions on authenticity, he wanted a pat in the back since he got a steal for $150.

Good luck buddy.

You think so? idk u might have been on this board longer than you think

 

[nyc3]

The Mariano and Jeter do not look authentic to me. There are several red flags with those particular autographs.

 

[cubsfan_2007]

The Mariano and Jeter do not look authentic to me. There are several red flags with those particular autographs.

Explanation on them? The r in rivera is wrong as im understanding and also someone pointed out that he doesn't sign with the letters slanted to the right. The Jeter shows no red flag, but many people here seem to be more than an expert than me, im trying to figure out why the jeter seems fake to everybody.


Some people might think i'm trying to get a pat on the back for a good deal, but im not. 150.00 for the jersey fake or real is nothing to me, I just don't want to waste 150 on authenticating if it going to not pass.

 

[cubsfan_2007]

My Rivera is still better than this fake :lol:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MARIANO-RIVERA-AUTO ... 524wt_1137


Now i KNOW i can forge a ball all day long to look like that lmao

 

[cubsfan_2007]

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[nyc3]

So you asked if it was fake, told it was. Then waited months to relist? Yeah ok, I have a feeling something failed authentication. Saying I think something is not authentic dont make you a hero, yet someone trying to pass a fake jersey on to someone else.

 

[MartinFFcollector]

The whole "No refunds if it doesn't pass because I'm telling the truth". Means nothing. If I buy it and if fails thru one of the ebay approved authenticators within the Paypal timeframe, Paypal will refund 100% of the purchase price. I've experienced it a few times. Paypal/ebay rules trump sellers rules. Just so you know....

Good Luck. I still say fake. Based only on the provenance and how it was sold considering the original sellers other authenticated high dollar items. He sells a Vlad certified card, or was it a ball? for a few hundred but sells this jersey for $200 and then another for the same amount without a reserve.

Too bad we'll never know. Someone else will buy it, assume it's real and that's that.

So you'll gamble on buying it for $200 but not spend another $200 to see if it's a $1000+ item? Makes no sense to me. You think it's fake too?

 

[nyc3]

The whole "No refunds if it doesn't pass because I'm telling the truth". Means nothing. If I buy it and if fails thru one of the ebay approved authenticators within the Paypal timeframe, Paypal will refund 100% of the purchase price. I've experienced it a few times. Paypal/ebay rules trump sellers rules. Just so you know....

Good Luck. I still say fake. Based only on the provenance and how it was sold considering the original sellers other authenticated high dollar items. He sells a Vlad certified card, or was it a ball? for a few hundred but sells this jersey for $200 and then another for the same amount without a reserve.

Too bad we'll never know. Someone else will buy it, assume it's real and that's that.

So you'll gamble on buying it for $200 but not spend another $200 to see if it's a $1000+ item? Makes no sense to me. You think it's fake too?

Its ok, I am sure people here are reporting the jersey to ebay. Ebay will have PSA look at it and well you will have an answer if it passes in a day or 2 when the auction is pulled :lol:

 

[cubsfan_2007]

a JSA member told me it looked real, and gave me a quick opinion but i never got it certified, i just didnt have 150.00 when the chicago show came in...im just selling it now because it looks cool and i figured someone would still buy it for $100.00 just to have, didnt think it would reach 200.00 but i guess comparing the autos first hand next to authentic autos makes people think....


I love the critisim NYC3 but your wrong about ur post, ill put my life on it

 

[nyc3]

a JSA member told me it looked real, and gave me a quick opinion but i never got it certified, i just didnt have 150.00 when the chicago show came in...im just selling it now because it looks cool and i figured someone would still buy it for $100.00 just to have, didnt think it would reach 200.00 but i guess comparing the autos first hand next to authentic autos makes people think....


I love the critisim NYC3 but your wrong about ur post, ill put my life on it

It was just pulled by ebay. And I am not wrong because I can tell you for a fact the you didnt walk up to a JSA table and hear its authentic before you gave your money. Thats not how they do business, never has never will.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 325wt_1139

 

[cubsfan_2007]

i sold it offline to the seller

 

[nyc3]

i sold it offline to the seller

It would say it was ended early.

 

[cubsfan_2007]

It was but its been done