OT- Well, it finally happened to me..

[predatorkj]

Let me clarify my post a little more so everybody doesn't think I am trying to be too much of a troll.

The way I see it...the post office is charged with handling a lot of important information and money every single day.I would like to think that about 100% of everything I send will be just fine.I like to hold them to that.While I do appreciate the fact accidents happen...I also appreciate the fact that that should not affect my ability to mail something off and get it delivered.Nor should my confidence be shaken so badly that I won't do anything by mail.This is basically how I feel about it.

The way everybody goes on around here...its almost like you all have accepted the fact that the post office screws up everything and you just shouldn't use their normal method of sending things in the mail.I for one feel thats not fair to anyone who has to ever pay to ship anything.Once they pay...they should be rewarded with the service they paid for.Otherwise...why pay for it or provide it at all?

nicely said sir, exactly my point.

Well...I just think people fail to realize there are two sides to the story here.I get really confused as to why anyone should feel stupid for mailing anything in any kind of standard envelope.It should all be handled with care.Its the post office's job.

 

[predatorkj]

Starting a thread admitting you send out in PWE envelopes and being upset that it's destroyed is a very bad idea around here.

Maybe it shouldn't be.Maybe people should take everything into consideration before they start a getting too froggy.

 

[dodgerchromie]

Starting a thread admitting you send out in PWE envelopes and being upset that it's destroyed is a very bad idea around here.

....... :lol:

 

[sportscardtheory]

Let me clarify my post a little more so everybody doesn't think I am trying to be too much of a troll.

The way I see it...the post office is charged with handling a lot of important information and money every single day.I would like to think that about 100% of everything I send will be just fine.I like to hold them to that.While I do appreciate the fact accidents happen...I also appreciate the fact that that should not affect my ability to mail something off and get it delivered.Nor should my confidence be shaken so badly that I won't do anything by mail.This is basically how I feel about it.

The way everybody goes on around here...its almost like you all have accepted the fact that the post office screws up everything and you just shouldn't use their normal method of sending things in the mail.I for one feel thats not fair to anyone who has to ever pay to ship anything.Once they pay...they should be rewarded with the service they paid for.Otherwise...why pay for it or provide it at all?

nicely said sir, exactly my point.

You honestly believe the Post Office is, can or should be 100%??? If you send cards in PWE's, you run a MUCH higher risk of sending or receiving cards that will be damaged... to expect perfection is naive.

 

[Guest]

Starting a thread admitting you send out in PWE envelopes and being upset that it's destroyed is a very bad idea around here.

Maybe it should be.Maybe people should take everything into consideration before they start a getting too froggy.

I'm just saying with as many people around here who throw fits over this, I think the last thing I would do if I sent out cards in PWE (which I don't and never have) would be admit it. Doesn't matter if it's low end or not really, that's not a way to gain a good reputation for future trades. Sending out freebies in PWE, then that's fine with me. But trades and sells, no way, no matter the value of the cards.

 

[predatorkj]

Let me clarify my post a little more so everybody doesn't think I am trying to be too much of a troll.

The way I see it...the post office is charged with handling a lot of important information and money every single day.I would like to think that about 100% of everything I send will be just fine.I like to hold them to that.While I do appreciate the fact accidents happen...I also appreciate the fact that that should not affect my ability to mail something off and get it delivered.Nor should my confidence be shaken so badly that I won't do anything by mail.This is basically how I feel about it.

The way everybody goes on around here...its almost like you all have accepted the fact that the post office screws up everything and you just shouldn't use their normal method of sending things in the mail.I for one feel thats not fair to anyone who has to ever pay to ship anything.Once they pay...they should be rewarded with the service they paid for.Otherwise...why pay for it or provide it at all?

nicely said sir, exactly my point.

You honestly believe the Post Office is, can or should be 100%??? If you send cards in PWE's, you run a MUCH higher risk of sending or receiving cards that will be damaged... to expect perfection is naive.

It should be but inevitably it never will be.But that doesn't mean you should be so super scared to send anything through the mail in a white envelope.Its your right as a customer to expect the service you pay for isn't it?

 

[predatorkj]

[quote="Sam Banks":j4hlyhrx]Starting a thread admitting you send out in PWE envelopes and being upset that it's destroyed is a very bad idea around here.

Maybe it should be.Maybe people should take everything into consideration before they start a getting too froggy.

I'm just saying with as many people around here who throw fits over this, I think the last thing I would do if I sent out cards in PWE (which I don't and never have) would be admit it. Doesn't matter if it's low end or not really, that's not a way to gain a good reputation for future trades. Sending out freebies in PWE, then that's fine with me. But trades and sells, no way, no matter the value of the cards.[/quote:j4hlyhrx]


I can understand your line of thinking but like I said...it still doesn't mean anyone is dumb for expecting the service they pay for.Its a matter of preference but I still say...you should get the thing in one piece and undamaged.If not...the post office is the one not doing their job.

 

[Adamsince1981]

I got my first PWE card yesterday...it was perfect.

 

[Bornagaincollector]

I have and will continue to use PWE in small trades that consist of 1-2 base cards.Never had a problem with a pwe and i recieved alot and have used a lot.To the user that states he uses bubblemailers and only pays like .80 cents,that wouldn't work at any p.o in Cleveland.They charge 1.17 for a Bubblemailer that is 5 by 7 with 1 card.

Believe i know!!!!

 

[sportscardtheory]

Let me clarify my post a little more so everybody doesn't think I am trying to be too much of a troll.

The way I see it...the post office is charged with handling a lot of important information and money every single day.I would like to think that about 100% of everything I send will be just fine.I like to hold them to that.While I do appreciate the fact accidents happen...I also appreciate the fact that that should not affect my ability to mail something off and get it delivered.Nor should my confidence be shaken so badly that I won't do anything by mail.This is basically how I feel about it.

The way everybody goes on around here...its almost like you all have accepted the fact that the post office screws up everything and you just shouldn't use their normal method of sending things in the mail.I for one feel thats not fair to anyone who has to ever pay to ship anything.Once they pay...they should be rewarded with the service they paid for.Otherwise...why pay for it or provide it at all?

nicely said sir, exactly my point.

You honestly believe the Post Office is, can or should be 100%??? If you send cards in PWE's, you run a MUCH higher risk of sending or receiving cards that will be damaged... to expect perfection is naive.

It should be but inevitably it never will be.But that doesn't mean you should be so super scared to send anything through the mail in a white envelope.Its your right as a customer to expect the service you pay for isn't it?

You can hope for it, but I think it would be naive to expect it. There are millions upon millions of things shipped everyday, in no way would I EXPECT a card shipped in a PWE to get to it's destination in perfect condition. You are not SUPPOSED to ship bendable items in PWE's, that is common knowledge... it's the REASON bubble mailers were invented. The Post Office itself warns not to put bendable items in PWE's... so why would you ignore the warning, and then expect nothing to ever happen.

 

[Guest]

I've recieved a bunch of PWE packages. Only one was damaged, and that's because the dude shoved three base cards in one toploader and it broke. It was an eBay purchase, so I was mad.

 

[predatorkj]

Let me clarify my post a little more so everybody doesn't think I am trying to be too much of a troll.

The way I see it...the post office is charged with handling a lot of important information and money every single day.I would like to think that about 100% of everything I send will be just fine.I like to hold them to that.While I do appreciate the fact accidents happen...I also appreciate the fact that that should not affect my ability to mail something off and get it delivered.Nor should my confidence be shaken so badly that I won't do anything by mail.This is basically how I feel about it.

The way everybody goes on around here...its almost like you all have accepted the fact that the post office screws up everything and you just shouldn't use their normal method of sending things in the mail.I for one feel thats not fair to anyone who has to ever pay to ship anything.Once they pay...they should be rewarded with the service they paid for.Otherwise...why pay for it or provide it at all?

nicely said sir, exactly my point.

You honestly believe the Post Office is, can or should be 100%??? If you send cards in PWE's, you run a MUCH higher risk of sending or receiving cards that will be damaged... to expect perfection is naive.

It should be but inevitably it never will be.But that doesn't mean you should be so super scared to send anything through the mail in a white envelope.Its your right as a customer to expect the service you pay for isn't it?

You can hope for it, but I think it would be naive to expect it. There are millions upon millions of things shipped everyday, in no way would I EXPECT a card shipped in a PWE to get to it's destination in perfect condition. You are not SUPPOSED to ship bendable items in PWE's, that is common knowledge... it's the REASON bubble mailers were invented. The Post Office itself warns not to put bendable items in PWE's... so why would you ignore the warning, and then expect nothing to ever happen.

Your getting a little off from what the argument is.This card wasn't bent.It was completely lost.The envelope looks slaughtered.Now...you seem to be convinced I am wrong...I want you to take a good long look at that envelope and tell me that you really believe anything could have survived in that thing.That could have been somebody's check for a bill in the mail.Thats why I hold the PO responsible.Its their job to make sure nothing gets screwed up.Not always going to work up to expectations but talking about something getting bent and talking about what happened to this dude's package...are two different things.

Besides...even if things can get bent from handling and whatnot...it would have to be mishandled or have gotten caught in a machine for a card in a toploader to get bent.Those things flex a lot.If they get too bent...somebody wasn't doing their job.And it could be something way more important than a card in the package.So thats why I feel its the PO's fault.

 

[sportscardtheory]

You can hope for it, but I think it would be naive to expect it. There are millions upon millions of things shipped everyday, in no way would I EXPECT a card shipped in a PWE to get to it's destination in perfect condition. You are not SUPPOSED to ship bendable items in PWE's, that is common knowledge... it's the REASON bubble mailers were invented. The Post Office itself warns not to put bendable items in PWE's... so why would you ignore the warning, and then expect nothing to ever happen.

Your getting a little off from what the argument is.This card wasn't bent.It was completely lost.The envelope looks slaughtered.Now...you seem to be convinced I am wrong...I want you to take a good long look at that envelope and tell me that you really believe anything could have survived in that thing.That could have been somebody's check for a bill in the mail.Thats why I hold the PO responsible.Its their job to make sure nothing gets screwed up.Not always going to work up to expectations but talking about something getting bent and talking about what happened to this dude's package...are two different things.

Besides...even if things can get bent from handling and whatnot...it would have to be mishandled or have gotten caught in a machine for a card in a toploader to get bent.Those things flex a lot.If they get too bent...somebody wasn't doing their job.And it could be something way more important than a card in the package.So thats why I feel its the PO's fault.

People are not supposed to send unbendable items in plain white envelopes, end of story. The Post Office TELLS us not to do it, so it's a risk one would take... and not a smart risk, IMO. That envelope most likely would not have ended up the way it did had it just been a piece of paper inside.

 

[predatorkj]

You can hope for it, but I think it would be naive to expect it. There are millions upon millions of things shipped everyday, in no way would I EXPECT a card shipped in a PWE to get to it's destination in perfect condition. You are not SUPPOSED to ship bendable items in PWE's, that is common knowledge... it's the REASON bubble mailers were invented. The Post Office itself warns not to put bendable items in PWE's... so why would you ignore the warning, and then expect nothing to ever happen.

Your getting a little off from what the argument is.This card wasn't bent.It was completely lost.The envelope looks slaughtered.Now...you seem to be convinced I am wrong...I want you to take a good long look at that envelope and tell me that you really believe anything could have survived in that thing.That could have been somebody's check for a bill in the mail.Thats why I hold the PO responsible.Its their job to make sure nothing gets screwed up.Not always going to work up to expectations but talking about something getting bent and talking about what happened to this dude's package...are two different things.

Besides...even if things can get bent from handling and whatnot...it would have to be mishandled or have gotten caught in a machine for a card in a toploader to get bent.Those things flex a lot.If they get too bent...somebody wasn't doing their job.And it could be something way more important than a card in the package.So thats why I feel its the PO's fault.

People are not supposed to send unbendable items in plain white envelopes, end of story. The Post Office TELLS us not to do it, so it's a risk one would take... and not a smart risk, IMO. That envelope most likely would not have ended up the way it did had it just been a piece of paper inside.

But its not bent...its shredded! :lol:

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

You are all missing the point here, and like most posts we have all gotten way off topic. The OP stated that he felt the post office was wrong in him sending a card in PWE that will have to go through their sorting and stamping machines etc, and it is common knowledge that main stream regular stamped .42 cents and under mail has to go through.

Here is the problem---a PWE is technically only a standard THICKNESS to it being a machineable item. The post office has also gone through great lengths to put giant signs hanging from the ceiling etc. showing all the rates and services----and guess what, there is a service for items that are thicker (Such as a card in a PWE--or even 20 pieces of paper in a PWE--really doesnt matter what it is) that you can pay for and the clerk will meter it and hand cancel it so it does not go through the machines.

This is not a new procedure, it has been around forever. What cracks me up even more, is that the OP even paid MORE with 2 stamps than he would have if he had shipped it properly and the way it was intended to be shipped would have cost him. Same thing with the people cramming 35 important documents (say such as taxes or something) into a little PWE and then complaining when it comes out all shredded....hmmm...wonder why???

Obviously after the countless posts about sending them that way, and I for one will not trade or accept any of my cards in a PWE from anyone, there are still some people on here that feel it is acceptable. If that is the case, I would think, they would take the time to at least insure the card would not have to go through the machines, where it is a known fact, that there is a chance for lost or damaged mail.

For that reason, I place the blame on the person sending it that way. Hell, the post office even knows it happens, because they created a service to the customers that would elminate the problem.


TK

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

I have and will continue to use PWE in small trades that consist of 1-2 base cards.Never had a problem with a pwe and i recieved alot and have used a lot.To the user that states he uses bubblemailers and only pays like .80 cents,that wouldn't work at any p.o in Cleveland.They charge 1.17 for a Bubblemailer that is 5 by 7 with 1 card.

Believe i know!!!!

You need to go in and ask for the postmaster then, because the employees are misinformed---but my guess is they just dont want to take the time to check and see if it is thin enough for slottable mail or not. And actually it isnt .80 cents, it is .62 cents for one card. It even has it plain as day on their website and at the PO. I encourage you to challenge them on it, because they are ripping you and everyone else off by not doing so. I went through the same headaches with them as well, but once I got it all straightened out, I went from them trying to charge me $1.17 to almost less than half at .62 cents...well worth the fight to me....

TK

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

[quote="Sam Banks":2tn8zuhj]Starting a thread admitting you send out in PWE envelopes and being upset that it's destroyed is a very bad idea around here.

Maybe it should be.Maybe people should take everything into consideration before they start a getting too froggy.

I'm just saying with as many people around here who throw fits over this, I think the last thing I would do if I sent out cards in PWE (which I don't and never have) would be admit it. Doesn't matter if it's low end or not really, that's not a way to gain a good reputation for future trades. Sending out freebies in PWE, then that's fine with me. But trades and sells, no way, no matter the value of the cards.

I can understand your line of thinking but like I said...it still doesn't mean anyone is dumb for expecting the service they pay for.Its a matter of preference but I still say...you should get the thing in one piece and undamaged.If not...the post office is the one not doing their job.[/quote:2tn8zuhj]


I disagree with your logic for 2 reasons....

1) That is actually not the right service for a card in a PWE. It should be the .58 cent non-machineable service for thicker items. So, in reality, the people not wanting to pay extra, to lazy to go inside and do it when they can just put the envelope in the box, etc. are creating the problem. This isnt a bunch of postal employees standing there sorting mail....these are machines handling the PWE. There is only an expected thickness that will work, anything else is taking a risk that it will jam up the machine and get destroyed.


2) You actually are getting exactly what you paid for. You paid .42 cents for the PWE to go through a bunch of machines, not only once, but twice, because it has to go through them at the destination point to, and as a regular thickness..such as a letter, etc. Anything thicker than that is at your own risk...

 

[Therion]

When we trade on SCN, we almost exclusively use PWEs. We tell each other up front and if an envelope is destroyed it is understood that the other sends back. I've yet to have a problem.

Sending in a PWE without the other party being aware is a bit shady, but I don't see a real problem with it if both parties are fine with it and accept the minimal risk.

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

When we trade on SCN, we almost exclusively use PWEs. We tell each other up front and if an envelope is destroyed it is understood that the other sends back. I've yet to have a problem.

Sending in a PWE without the other party being aware is a bit shady, but I don't see a real problem with it if both parties are fine with it and accept the minimal risk.

That makes sense, as both parties are agreeing to it, and both have agreed and accepted on it as a known risk. For you knowledge, you can ship it in PWE as non-machineable at .58 cents and that will pretty well even take the risk out of it...

TK

 

[sportscardtheory]

When we trade on SCN, we almost exclusively use PWEs. We tell each other up front and if an envelope is destroyed it is understood that the other sends back. I've yet to have a problem.

Sending in a PWE without the other party being aware is a bit shady, but I don't see a real problem with it if both parties are fine with it and accept the minimal risk.

Why even risk it? Have you ever had to send back?