OT- Well, it finally happened to me..

[Therion]

When we trade on SCN, we almost exclusively use PWEs. We tell each other up front and if an envelope is destroyed it is understood that the other sends back. I've yet to have a problem.

Sending in a PWE without the other party being aware is a bit shady, but I don't see a real problem with it if both parties are fine with it and accept the minimal risk.

Why even risk it? Have you ever had to send back?

These cards cost us two stamps to get. We are trading for a card that cost the other person two stamps to get. Spending more to ship the card than it would cost us to obtain would just be silly.

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

When we trade on SCN, we almost exclusively use PWEs. We tell each other up front and if an envelope is destroyed it is understood that the other sends back. I've yet to have a problem.

Sending in a PWE without the other party being aware is a bit shady, but I don't see a real problem with it if both parties are fine with it and accept the minimal risk.

Why even risk it? Have you ever had to send back?

These cards cost us two stamps to get. We are trading for a card that cost the other person two stamps to get. Spending more to ship the card than it would cost us to obtain would just be silly.

AH, the good old SASE!!!

 

[sportscardtheory]

When we trade on SCN, we almost exclusively use PWEs. We tell each other up front and if an envelope is destroyed it is understood that the other sends back. I've yet to have a problem.

Sending in a PWE without the other party being aware is a bit shady, but I don't see a real problem with it if both parties are fine with it and accept the minimal risk.

Why even risk it? Have you ever had to send back?

These cards cost us two stamps to get. We are trading for a card that cost the other person two stamps to get. Spending more to ship the card than it would cost us to obtain would just be silly.

Makes sense to me...

 

[rico08]

People send in PWE's for one reason: TO SAVE MONEY

No one would argue that the safest, most bottom-line way to ship a trading card and not have it arrived damaged is inside a bubble envelope. No offense to whoever started the topic by sending a card in a PWE is plain dumb. You, as well as the person on the receiving end, know the risks.

If you don't want to be burned, cover your ass and don't be so cheap.

 

[P_Manning 18]

So have I been wasting money on shipping all this time??

If I send a single card out that weighs under 1 ounce I can ship it for 62c??

But if I send a card over 1 ounce or need DC I will pay $1.17??

If I can save 50c per on the cheaper items... $15 or less.... Im all for it. I have a Dymo Label Writer and I can stamp my own items. I just wanted to make sure this is good before I start. I dont want my buyers to have to pay the extra 50c when they get the item.

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

So have I been wasting money on shipping all this time??

If I send a single card out that weighs under 1 ounce I can ship it for 62c??

But if I send a card over 1 ounce or need DC I will pay $1.17??

If I can save 50c per on the cheaper items... $15 or less.... Im all for it. I have a Dymo Label Writer and I can stamp my own items. I just wanted to make sure this is good before I start. I dont want my buyers to have to pay the extra 50c when they get the item.

It isnt about the weight as much as it is the thickness and size of the bubble mailer....it has to be able to fit through the slot. Basically see my thread...

TK

 

[predatorkj]

[quote="Sam Banks"keyxpjy]Starting a thread admitting you send out in PWE envelopes and being upset that it's destroyed is a very bad idea around here.

Maybe it should be.Maybe people should take everything into consideration before they start a getting too froggy.

I'm just saying with as many people around here who throw fits over this, I think the last thing I would do if I sent out cards in PWE (which I don't and never have) would be admit it. Doesn't matter if it's low end or not really, that's not a way to gain a good reputation for future trades. Sending out freebies in PWE, then that's fine with me. But trades and sells, no way, no matter the value of the cards.

I can understand your line of thinking but like I said...it still doesn't mean anyone is dumb for expecting the service they pay for.Its a matter of preference but I still say...you should get the thing in one piece and undamaged.If not...the post office is the one not doing their job.

I disagree with your logic for 2 reasons....

1) That is actually not the right service for a card in a PWE. It should be the .58 cent non-machineable service for thicker items. So, in reality, the people not wanting to pay extra, to lazy to go inside and do it when they can just put the envelope in the box, etc. are creating the problem. This isnt a bunch of postal employees standing there sorting mail....these are machines handling the PWE. There is only an expected thickness that will work, anything else is taking a risk that it will jam up the machine and get destroyed.


2) You actually are getting exactly what you paid for. You paid .42 cents for the PWE to go through a bunch of machines, not only once, but twice, because it has to go through them at the destination point to, and as a regular thickness..such as a letter, etc. Anything thicker than that is at your own risk...[/quotekeyxpjy]


Okay...question.Aren't things that are too big or thick to go through the machines sorted another way?I would think if this is the way of things then this problem wouldn't occur one way or the other.Oh...and for your info...the things your saying about switching from machinable mail to other kinds are not commonly held knowledge.I have been inside the post office a billion times and have never once seen anything warning of any dangers as to how you mail items off nor have I ever been privy to the info of mailing these in a non-machinable way(and I would have had to of seen the signs because I usually have to wait in line forever and I have a habit of reading anything and everything).I would imagine you can find things online about it but your average person mailing things off in the mail most likely has no idea about any of this.Pretty much everyone is going to be led to believe as long as you have enough postage on the envelope...its good to go.

Just one more point...I really don't see things getting messed up just because of thickness(although that may play a part I am sure).I think it could happen to anything which is why I ask...how are cards a big deal if people send mail with bills and checks in it?Wouldn't you want those things to be safe?Well everybody and their brother puts the bill in the envelope along with a check and sends the puppy off.So thats why I believe if those things can or should be trusted a card should be no different.I also happen to think there is a gross lack of effort on the post office's part in handling mail.When somebody drops something off to get mailed...or leaves it in a mailbox to get mailed...then it should get where its going.If there is a chance that it could get messed up it or if there is a certainty it will...it should be returned to sender.Go ahead and ask how many people know of these PWE horrors and not many will even understand what your talking about.Maybe they even need to change their sorting methods.Or at least make people strongly aware of what can happen.


In the end...all I can say is I have never had a problem.And there are plenty of other out there like me.Just because you or any other member on this board does not think its a good idea to use pwe does not make it wrong or change the fact that it can be done with no problems.Even if one gets screwed up every now and then...the way you guys go on about it you would think its a common occurence or something thats definitely going to happen which I am pretty darn sure(I'd be willing to bet some cash on it) that its not.Thats all I am saying.