Pedro Martinez- HOF?

[jbone17]

Pedro was probably the best pitcher in the mid to late 90's and yes he is a first ballot HOF.

 

[darocker80]

If you HAD to...

you were the deciding vote against Pedro making the HOF or NOT...as in your vote was the deciding factor....and if you voted YES you had to give up your Lincecum gold refractor rookie auto....

What would you do?

Yes.

Why would I have to get rid of my lincy gold?

if i was the deciding factor which would be weird since i am not a sports writer i'd take bribes and ultimatley vote yes.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Let's not get too carried away with the "best of his generation" comments and explanations.

I think few would put Pedro any higher than #4 of his generation with (in no particular order) Johnson, Clemens, and Maddux all above him. Every single one of these pitchers had amazing stretches, and we're probably just splitting hairs...but to call Pedro Martinez as the "best of his generation" or "most dominant" is incorrect.

It is true that Martinez put up one of the greatest pitching seasons ever...but we're talking complete careers.

And for those stuck on the James HOF Monitor numbers easily found on Baseball-Reference.com...you'll be pleased to know that Pedro comes in 4th in this four-man race in every category (Black Ink, Gray Ink, HOF Monitor, and HOF Standards).

And to me, the simple fact that Pedro was the 4th best pitcher in his generation may play a role into a 2nd ballot election. And again, not stating I would vote that way, but history shows that HOF voters are extremely quirky in their voting habits.

 

[darocker80]

Pedro was one of the best of his generation but i'll put johnson and maddux before him.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

 

[Wes]

Let's not get too carried away with the "best of his generation" comments and explanations.

I think few would put Pedro any higher than #4 of his generation with (in no particular order) Johnson, Clemens, and Maddux all above him. Every single one of these pitchers had amazing stretches, and we're probably just splitting hairs...but to call Pedro Martinez as the "best of his generation" or "most dominant" is incorrect.

It is true that Martinez put up one of the greatest pitching seasons ever...but we're talking complete careers.

And for those stuck on the James HOF Monitor numbers easily found on Baseball-Reference.com...you'll be pleased to know that Pedro comes in 4th in this four-man race in every category (Black Ink, Gray Ink, HOF Monitor, and HOF Standards).

And to me, the simple fact that Pedro was the 4th best pitcher in his generation may play a role into a 2nd ballot election. And again, not stating I would vote that way, but history shows that HOF voters are extremely quirky in their voting habits.

I don't think voters will hold that against him - especially with Clemens being not only eligible in a different year but under the steroid cloud. Also it looks like Johnson will be a different year as well. Pedro and Maddux would be one hell of a class.

 

[MallCopKJ]

Let's not get too carried away with the "best of his generation" comments and explanations.

I think few would put Pedro any higher than #4 of his generation with (in no particular order) Johnson, Clemens, and Maddux all above him. Every single one of these pitchers had amazing stretches, and we're probably just splitting hairs...but to call Pedro Martinez as the "best of his generation" or "most dominant" is incorrect.

It is true that Martinez put up one of the greatest pitching seasons ever...but we're talking complete careers.

And for those stuck on the James HOF Monitor numbers easily found on Baseball-Reference.com...you'll be pleased to know that Pedro comes in 4th in this four-man race in every category (Black Ink, Gray Ink, HOF Monitor, and HOF Standards).

And to me, the simple fact that Pedro was the 4th best pitcher in his generation may play a role into a 2nd ballot election. And again, not stating I would vote that way, but history shows that HOF voters are extremely quirky in their voting habits.

After the Clemens steroid revelations I will never put him above a legit untainted pitcher like Pedro. If I could have my choice of Pedro or Randy Johnson at their best Im taking Pedro everytime. I have never seen a pitcher like Pedro.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

Pedro was one of the best of his generation but i'll put johnson and maddux before him.

your a nice guy, but you obviously havn't been watching baseball over the past 13 years because Pedro Was more dominating then Maddux and Johnson when he was in his prime against them in their prime. Look at his span of 7 seasons. WHIP, ERA, K's Innings pitched to hits , BB. Any span By maddux or Johnson does not come close to Pedro's Dominance from 96-03

 

[matfanofold]

Honestly I think the 3 who voted no are just messing with you.There is no logical individual who would argue this with you.

Agreed.


How one can even formulate a argument against him must be left of logic.

 

[championMan]

Pedro 100% deserve to be in HOF. He had couple of season that is consider all time great. Just like Sandy Koufax who got in because he was so dominating for short career. I would rather vote for player that were great than to put in someone who just win 15 games for 20 years.

 

[gt2590]

I say yes as well, he simply had one of the best stretches EVER there from about late 98-03 or so. And the rest of his career was good enough to put him in IMHO.

Living near Philly, one saw him once in person, in Boston versus a very good hitting A's team. It was him vs. Hudson. The A's had no clue what was coming at any time, they looked like AA hitters against him. Hudson only gave up 4 runs before leaving, but it didn't matter. And I was also impressed how the Sox fans went absolutely bonkers for him.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

Let's not get too carried away with the "best of his generation" comments and explanations.

I think few would put Pedro any higher than #4 of his generation with (in no particular order) Johnson, Clemens, and Maddux all above him. Every single one of these pitchers had amazing stretches, and we're probably just splitting hairs...but to call Pedro Martinez as the "best of his generation" or "most dominant" is incorrect.

It is true that Martinez put up one of the greatest pitching seasons ever...but we're talking complete careers.

And for those stuck on the James HOF Monitor numbers easily found on Baseball-Reference.com...you'll be pleased to know that Pedro comes in 4th in this four-man race in every category (Black Ink, Gray Ink, HOF Monitor, and HOF Standards).

And to me, the simple fact that Pedro was the 4th best pitcher in his generation may play a role into a 2nd ballot election. And again, not stating I would vote that way, but history shows that HOF voters are extremely quirky in their voting habits.

Maddux and the Unit ahead of him?? Your nuts. Clemens also??? hhahahaa go back to rink rook. 2nd ballot HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH . Clueless you are

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Let's not get too carried away with the "best of his generation" comments and explanations.

I think few would put Pedro any higher than #4 of his generation with (in no particular order) Johnson, Clemens, and Maddux all above him. Every single one of these pitchers had amazing stretches, and we're probably just splitting hairs...but to call Pedro Martinez as the "best of his generation" or "most dominant" is incorrect.

It is true that Martinez put up one of the greatest pitching seasons ever...but we're talking complete careers.

And for those stuck on the James HOF Monitor numbers easily found on Baseball-Reference.com...you'll be pleased to know that Pedro comes in 4th in this four-man race in every category (Black Ink, Gray Ink, HOF Monitor, and HOF Standards).

And to me, the simple fact that Pedro was the 4th best pitcher in his generation may play a role into a 2nd ballot election. And again, not stating I would vote that way, but history shows that HOF voters are extremely quirky in their voting habits.

Maddux and the Unit ahead of him?? Your nuts. Clemens also??? hhahahaa go back to rink rook. 2nd ballot HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH . Clueless you are

Wow, interesting way of contesting it. And don't get me wrong, I'll be a **** just as much as anyone else, but at least I'll back it up something other than just being a **** for ****'s sake.

Also, if you would have graduated high school you probably would have been able to process this statement a bit better, "And again, not stating I would vote that way, but history shows that HOF voters are extremely quirky in their voting habits."

Do a little reading up on HOF voting history and perhaps you'll understand why anything is possible.

 

[PaulKonerkbro]

Man I made this thread basically to hear what someone who said "NO" to my question would argue... but apparently no one cares enough who voted NO or they just wanted to do it for some stupid reason in the first place.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Man I made this thread basically to hear what someone who said "NO" to my question would argue... but apparently no one cares enough who voted NO or they just wanted to do it for some stupid reason in the first place.

I'm guessing that the people who voted "NO" are Mets fans.

 

[Topnotchsy]

1st ballot no question. Guy has the highest ERA+ of any starting pitcher in history, (for those who don't know it's a stat that comes from comparing his ERA to the average ERA during the times he pitched.) IMO if I had to pick one stat to use to determine the best pitchers of all time, it would be this one (what better way is there to compare eras?) Yes I said it, depending on one looks at it (and how much one values longevity) Pedro may have been the best ever.

Pedro was one of the best of his generation but i'll put johnson and maddux before him.

your a nice guy, but you obviously havn't been watching baseball over the past 13 years because Pedro Was more dominating then Maddux and Johnson when he was in his prime against them in their prime. Look at his span of 7 seasons. WHIP, ERA, K's Innings pitched to hits , BB. Any span By maddux or Johnson does not come close to Pedro's Dominance from 96-03

One who watched baseball the last 13 years would have missed 1992-1995 when Maddux won 4 straight Cy Young's (which included 2 seasons with ERA's under 1.65.) I do agree that Pedro's peak was more impressive than Randy's.

 

[Lars]

He is a first ballot guy and I think the quirks of the voters tend to lean in his favor as opposed to against it, because he was so dominant in his prime.

However, three things stick out that will probably have a minority of voters not filling out their ballots from him.

1.) Headhunting reputation - guy who was willing to knock you down at any time; good if you are Bob Gibson or Don Drysdale, but not if you were a 'little guy' like 'Petey' who didn't play in the same era as Gibson or Drysdale...I think it speaks to Pedro's fierce nature, but present day baseball writers may not look at it that may.

2.) Knocking down Don Zimmer to defend himself. It just doesn't look good, even though he wasn't engaging in anything but self-defense.

3.) The way it ended in New York - injury plagued and ineffective at times. A nice little year somewhere would probably be a nice topper for Pedro's career to go out 'on top.'

 

[darocker80]

1st ballot no question. Guy has the highest ERA+ of any starting pitcher in history, (for those who don't know it's a stat that comes from comparing his ERA to the average ERA during the times he pitched.) IMO if I had to pick one stat to use to determine the best pitchers of all time, it would be this one (what better way is there to compare eras?) Yes I said it, depending on one looks at it (and how much one values longevity) Pedro may have been the best ever.

Pedro was one of the best of his generation but i'll put johnson and maddux before him.

your a nice guy, but you obviously havn't been watching baseball over the past 13 years because Pedro Was more dominating then Maddux and Johnson when he was in his prime against them in their prime. Look at his span of 7 seasons. WHIP, ERA, K's Innings pitched to hits , BB. Any span By maddux or Johnson does not come close to Pedro's Dominance from 96-03

Thanks lol.

Though maddux stint from 1992-2001 was just dominance (not saying pedro's wasn't). I could see one choosing pedro over johnson < But i've been a fan of his for a long time and he's on the giants and is a lefty

is pedro still a FA?

 

[scotty21690]

Yeah he's still a FA