Penn State sex scandal - Paterno is out

[lisu]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

This is horrible, and shame on Sandusky for taking advantage of young boys who were entrusted in his care.

I hope those who knew about it and didn't report it are punished to the fullest extent possible.

 

[Card Magnet]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

That guy is a sick bastard. I hope goes to prison and gets treated like he deserves.

Being in prison is quite possibly the best punishment available, because sometimes those inmates have the best system of justice in this country.

 

[alabamalongsnake]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Where is the "jump to conclusions" mat when you need one!


I would hope we could at least wait to see who knew what and when before grabbing the pitchforks?

JoePa has known of at least one incident that happened in the shower of the locker room since 2002. JoePa and the assistant that notified him should both have gone to the police and report what was seen by that assistant.

That may be but no one know who reported what and when. I would at least like to see the facts before we decide who should be made to do anything.

read the grand jury report. if you take it at face value a lot of people knew and were alerted except for outside law enforcement. the level of deceit and layers of cover up is astounding.

 

[JzWand]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Looks like in the very near future Paterno is out:

From the NY Times:

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.

The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.

Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.

At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.

Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator under Paterno, has been charged with sexually abusing eight boys across a 15-year period, and Paterno has been widely criticized for failing to involve the police when he learned of an allegation of one assault of a young boy in 2002.

Additionally, two top university officials — Gary Schultz, the senior vice president for finance and business, and Tim Curley, the athletic director — were charged with perjury and failure to report to authorities what they knew of the allegations, as required by state law.

Since Sandusky’s arrest Saturday, Penn State — notably its president, Graham Spanier, and Paterno — have come under withering criticism for a failure to act adequately after learning, at different points over the years, that Sandusky might have been abusing children. Newspapers have called for their resignations; prosecutors have suggested their inaction led to more children being harmed by Sandusky; and students and faculty at the university have expressed a mix of disgust and confusion, and a hope that much of what prosecutors have charged is not true.

On Monday law enforcement officials said that Paterno had met his legal obligation in alerting his superiors at the university when he learned of the 2002 allegation against Sandusky. But they suggested he might well have failed a moral test for what to do when confronted with such a disturbing allegation involving a child not even in his teens. No one at the university alerted the police or pursued the matter to determine the well-being of the child involved. The identity of that child remains unknown, according to the Attorney General.

Paterno has not been charged in the matter, but his failure to report to authorities what he knew about the 2002 incident, in which Sandusky allegedly sexually assaulted a young boy at Penn State’s football complex, has become a flashpoint, stirring anger among the board members and an outpouring of public criticism about his handling of the matter.

In recent days Paterno has lost the support of many board members, and their conversations illustrate a decisive shift in the power structure at the university. In 2004, for instance, Paterno brushed off a request by the university president that he step down.

Paterno came to Penn State in 1950 as a 23-year-old assistant coach making $3,600 a year. He planned to stay for two seasons, to pay off his student loans from Brown University, where he earned a degree in English literature.

He became the head coach in 1966, and he has been widely credited with helping spearhead the Penn State football program and the rest of the university from a local enterprise into a national brand. Along the way, Beaver Stadium grew to 108,000 seats from 29,000 and Penn State’s endowment grew from virtually nothing to more than $1 billion.

What separated Paterno from many of his coaching peers until this week was that he did this with few questions about how he grew the program. Penn State’s lofty graduation rates and education-first ideals, known as Paterno’s Grand Experiment, became as synonymous with the program as its plain uniforms and dominating defenses.

Paterno led Penn State to national titles in the 1982 and 1986 seasons, and he complemented the on-field success with the reputation of a throwback sideline professor, whose tie, thick glasses and black Nike coaching shoes became as predictable in Northeast autumns as the changing foliage.

Paterno’s reach on campus extended well beyond the football program. He and his wife, Sue, have donated more than $4 million to the university. On campus, everything from an ice cream flavor at the Creamery to a library now bears his name.

“There’s no individual in the entire 120- or 130-year history of the university that has had a greater impact on the institution than Joe Paterno,” Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004. “He’s just reached into so many areas.”

 

[goldenegg1]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

How many kids could Paterno have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?

 

[19braves77]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Inaction led to more children being harmed by Sandusky. What I don't see is how a man like Patero can keep the burden of knowledge he had.... I would want that Burden off my shoulders.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

How many kids could Paterno have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?

Come on, there is a DA walking around who chose not to prosecute him in 1998. Paterno was probably not right but the failure here is that of the legal system and its failure to act along with those who this was reported to not acting.

 

[goldenegg1]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

How many kids could Paterno have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?

Come on, there is a DA walking around who chose not to prosecute him in 1998. Paterno was probably not right but the failure here is that of the legal system and its failure to act along with those who this was reported to not acting.

Ok, I should change it to, How many kids could Paterno, and staff, have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?
Not sure how anyone can defend Paterno's actions here. He was told an associate was having intercourse with a young man and he tells his bosses. Unbelievable!

 

[19braves77]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

It gets weirder:

http://deadspin.com/5857440/

Another bizarre twist: Ray Gricar, the Centre County district attorney at the time of the 1998 investigation into Victim 6's allegations, has been missing since 2005 and was declared legally dead in July of this year. We may never know why Gricar did not press charges against Sandusky, despite Sandusky's admissions—per the grand jury report—that he had showered naked with the boy and hugged him. The hard drive from Gricar's computer turned up on the banks of the Susquehanna River six months after his disappearance, according to this story Granim wrote three years ago, when she was still at the State College, Pa.-based Centre County Daily Times. Whatever was on that hard drive will forever be the subject of speculation now.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

How many kids could Paterno have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?

Come on, there is a DA walking around who chose not to prosecute him in 1998. Paterno was probably not right but the failure here is that of the legal system and its failure to act along with those who this was reported to not acting.

Ok, I should change it to, How many kids could Paterno, and staff, have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?
Not sure how anyone can defend Paterno's actions here. He was told an associate was having intercourse with a young man and he tells his bosses. Unbelievable!

I'm not defending anyone. Paterno reported the incident to his bosses and it seems purged himself of sandusky shortly after. Sandusky basically admitted to assaulting a child and the DA chose not to prosecute. To ignore the fact that paterno failed to moral obligation, sure, although we still dont know to what extent he pursued this. Paterno has blame here but to throw this on him and what he could have prevented? There are many in line before him including several eye witnesses.

 

[JzWand]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

How many kids could Paterno have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?

Come on, there is a DA walking around who chose not to prosecute him in 1998. Paterno was probably not right but the failure here is that of the legal system and its failure to act along with those who this was reported to not acting.

The 1998 incident from everything I have read was basically he showered with a 12 y/o and washed his body.
I will imagine that the DA didnt feel the case was strong enough so they concluded their investigation but the University still knew about it and had him coaching in 1999.
The coach retires after the 99 season but is given perks like full access to the facilities, etc as part of his retirement package.
Then they 100% knew about the 2002 incident where he was caught actually raping a 10 y/o boy in the shower!

The DA is only going to pprosecute if they feel they have a good enough case to convict right?

Put that aside and whats stopping the following people from calling the police after the 2002 incident:

Mike McQuary (Grad Asst)
Mike McQuarys dad
Joe Paterno (Head Coach)
Tim Curley (AD)
Gary Schultz (Sr VP)
Graham Spanier (President)

 

[JzWand]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Also, Espn reported a 9th victim has come forward now.

 

[ccouch (Chad)]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

It is absolutely stunning to me that somebody could actually witness some of these incidents as detailed in the indictment and feel that they've done what they were supposed to do by just telling their boss. That's mindboggling to me.

I can guarantee you that if I saw any young kid getting ***** at my place of employment, the first thing I'd do is physically intervene (even if it put my own self in harm's way) and the 2nd thing I'd do is call the cops. And if one of my subordinates told me they'd witnessed such a thing at work, I'd be on the phone to the police immediately.

I don't know how some people can live with themselves.

Yes, the justice system failed on the one incident. But who knows what would have happened if the other incidents had been properly reported. Everybody that knew about this and didn't something more than tell his boss is culpable.

 

[JzWand]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

It is absolutely stunning to me that somebody could actually witness some of these incidents as detailed in the indictment and feel that they've done what they were supposed to do by just telling their boss. That's mindboggling to me.

I can guarantee you that if I saw any young kid getting ***** at my place of employment, the first thing I'd do is physically intervene (even if it put my own self in harm's way) and the 2nd thing I'd do is call the cops. And if one of my subordinates told me they'd witnessed such a thing at work, I'd be on the phone to the police immediately.

I don't know how some people can live with themselves.

Yes, the justice system failed on the one incident. But who knows what would have happened if the other incidents had been properly reported. Everybody that knew about this and didn't something more than tell his boss is culpable.

Agreed on all counts. Its like everyone involved is brainwashed into thinking Penn State football is the be all end all.
I am trying to picture myself seeing something of the magnitude happenign and not doign anything.

Mike McQuary should honestly be ashamed of himself for seeing Sandusky raping a god**** child and just walking out and reporting it the next day to Paterno!

Shameful!

 

[Card Magnet]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

People are showing up in support of Paterno outside of his house, and the local news agency has described it as "chaos".

 

[gt2590]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

State College is not a big enough town Geographically to handle all this stuff with the Media, etc...

 

[justinmandawg]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

I'd like to shoot the guy in the balls. I'd also like to kick the **** out of anyone that knew and did nothing.

**** like this happened to me w/ a female relative when I was young. The people that knew did nothing. I was too scared to tell my parents. **** pieces of **** that prey on children.

 

[mwashuc06]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Only going to get worse I fear. Number of victims has doubled.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/l ... um=twitter

 

[justinmandawg]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

If he was put in general population. People would get thrown in jail just to destroy him.

 

[David T.]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

If he was put in general population. People would get thrown in jail just to destroy him.

We could only be so lucky Justin.
David