Penn State sex scandal - Paterno is out

[gt2590]

You're going to judge an entire state by the actions of one school's irrational, drunken fans?

In the case of Morgantown, West Virginia: YES!

 

[alabamalongsnake]

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again...poor myopic Pennsylvanians

I still think they should forfeit their season. How is McQueary still employed? He's just as culpable as JoePa. The poor old man just didn't get it, and its incredibly sad the school let all those kids down.

You're going to judge an entire state by the actions of one school's irrational, drunken fans?

Are you mentally retarded?

Wait, I just read your second paragraph. You're clearly retarded

let's be civil folks. don't Judge all Pennsylvanians but we don't need to call each other names. there are a number of pretty smart people that agree with the assessment that the season should be canceled. It seems worthy of a debate to me. The way the students acted in wake of last night's announcement surely didn't sit well with people across the country.

McQueary should have been told to clean out his locker last night.

 

[JoshHamilton]

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again...poor myopic Pennsylvanians

I still think they should forfeit their season. How is McQueary still employed? He's just as culpable as JoePa. The poor old man just didn't get it, and its incredibly sad the school let all those kids down.

You're going to judge an entire state by the actions of one school's irrational, drunken fans?

Are you mentally retarded?

Wait, I just read your second paragraph. You're clearly retarded

let's be civil folks. don't Judge all Pennsylvanians but we don't need to call each other names. there are a number of pretty smart people that agree with the assessment that the season should be canceled. It seems worthy of a debate to me. The way the students acted in wake of last night's announcement surely didn't sit well with people across the country.

McQueary should have been told to clean out his locker last night.

This isn't an NCAA issue. This is a legal issue.

 

[Shi Guy]

My concern isn't with Paterno or the football program, as I'm sure Paterno will live in relative comfort from his earnings. My worry is that this incident sets a very dangerous precedent; one where not doing what the public deems as enough is as dangerous as doing the wrong thing. While we'd all like to think that we would do the right thing if we were to find ourselves in a situation such as those detailed in the report, the fact of the matter is, we just don't know how things will go down until we actually find ourselves in such a situation. Any number of various circumstances can come into play, no matter what your training or background may be, that can have a drastic effect on the actions of all involved. The fact that Paterno was not found guilty of not following the CPSL speaks volumes, and tells me he performed some action that satisfied the demands of the law.

It scares me that public assumptions have been allowed to have such very real and dramatic consequences. That non-legal opinion is having serious consequences on legal matters. It tells me that society has not come very far from the days of the Salem witch hunts

 

[thefatguy]

You see a guy ******* a kid in a shower and you do nothing? You call your dad?

 

[Shi Guy]

There is a distinction between doing nothing and reporting it to somebody. Telling anybody is doing something. So the claim that he did nothing is an incorrect judgement. He did not call the police, and he did not directly intervene, but he did do something. Why he only reported it to who he contacted and what he said in the Paterno meeting remain to be seen.

 

[mstng99tim]

You see a guy ******* a kid in a shower and you do nothing? You call your dad?

It's easy to say what YOU would do because you weren't in that situation. You have to remember, at the time, Sandusky was looked at as the heir apparent to JoePa once he would retire. As a grad assistant on the bottom of the totem pole you look to someone like Sandusky as a role model, so walking in on him and a 10 yr old would be a HUGE shock and I would imagine it stopped him dead in his tracks for a few seconds. Hindsight is always 20/20, unfortunately, he didn't have the luxury to have the time to mull things over. He chose to tell his Dad, that was the decision that he made and I'm sure that if he had to relive the entire situation again he would chose a different option.

 

[thefatguy]

YOU SEE A 50+ YEAR OLD MAN ******* A KID IN THE ASS IN A SHOWER AND YOU DO NOTHING? ??

 

[cgilmo]

Watch your language bub.

 

[thefatguy]

Enough of this thread, anyone trying to defend the actions of mcqueqry or joepa is disturbing. Saying he did the bare minimum and that was good enough is pathetic.

What would I do? Call 911, after I either beat the guy to an inch of his life or rescued the kid.


Sorry Gilmore, I won't be posting in this sad thread again.

 

[Shi Guy]

YOU SEE A 50+ YEAR OLD MAN ******* A KID IN THE A** IN A SHOWER AND YOU DO NOTHING? ??

I understand why people are upset, and why emotions are running wild regarding this case. However, emotions, and the decisions being made as a result of those emotions, do not best serve the justice that these kids and families deserve, neither does vigilante justice. Let the critical decisions be based on facts and evidence.

 

[ccouch (Chad)]

You see a guy fracking a kid in a shower and you do nothing? You call your dad?

It's easy to say what YOU would do because you weren't in that situation. You have to remember, at the time, Sandusky was looked at as the heir apparent to JoePa once he would retire. As a grad assistant on the bottom of the totem pole you look to someone like Sandusky as a role model, so walking in on him and a 10 yr old would be a HUGE shock and I would imagine it stopped him dead in his tracks for a few seconds. Hindsight is always 20/20, unfortunately, he didn't have the luxury to have the time to mull things over. He chose to tell his Dad, that was the decision that he made and I'm sure that if he had to relive the entire situation again he would chose a different option.

Sandusky had been retired from coaching for three years at the time that McQueary witnessed the assault in the shower. He was NOT the heir apparent to Paterno at that time.

McQueary may have been a grad assistant at the "bottom of the totem pole" -- as you put it -- but he was also a beloved former QB of the team. He wasn't just a nobody. He had influence. He's a 6'4" hulk of a former football player who failed when presented with an opportunity to do the right thing. And that's what this is about -- doing the right thing. Not about fulfilling a legal obligation or being beholden to a beloved public figure, both of which are piss poor excuses for not doing the right thing.

 

[Shi Guy]

You see a guy fracking a kid in a shower and you do nothing? You call your dad?

It's easy to say what YOU would do because you weren't in that situation. You have to remember, at the time, Sandusky was looked at as the heir apparent to JoePa once he would retire. As a grad assistant on the bottom of the totem pole you look to someone like Sandusky as a role model, so walking in on him and a 10 yr old would be a HUGE shock and I would imagine it stopped him dead in his tracks for a few seconds. Hindsight is always 20/20, unfortunately, he didn't have the luxury to have the time to mull things over. He chose to tell his Dad, that was the decision that he made and I'm sure that if he had to relive the entire situation again he would chose a different option.

Sandusky had been retired from coaching for three years at the time that McQueary witnessed the assault in the shower.

McQueary may have been a grad assistant at the "bottom of the totem pole" -- as you put it -- but he was also a beloved former QB of the team. He wasn't just a nobody. He's a 6'4" hulk of a former football player who failed when presented with an opportunity to do the right thing. And that's what this is about -- doing the right thing. Not about fulfilling a legal obligation or being beholden to a beloved public figure, both of which are piss poor excuses for not doing the right thing.

I understand where your coming from, but again, it's important to realize the distinction between knowing the "right thing" in the heat of the moment, and knowing it after the fact, when the adrenaline has faded and hindsight kicks in. I'm not justifying his course of action, and I believe he should have done more, however whether he was capable of doing more, regardless of his stature, is up for debate.

 

[ccouch (Chad)]

[quote="ccouch (Chad)":3sdhf8qv]

You see a guy fracking a kid in a shower and you do nothing? You call your dad?

It's easy to say what YOU would do because you weren't in that situation. You have to remember, at the time, Sandusky was looked at as the heir apparent to JoePa once he would retire. As a grad assistant on the bottom of the totem pole you look to someone like Sandusky as a role model, so walking in on him and a 10 yr old would be a HUGE shock and I would imagine it stopped him dead in his tracks for a few seconds. Hindsight is always 20/20, unfortunately, he didn't have the luxury to have the time to mull things over. He chose to tell his Dad, that was the decision that he made and I'm sure that if he had to relive the entire situation again he would chose a different option.

Sandusky had been retired from coaching for three years at the time that McQueary witnessed the assault in the shower.

McQueary may have been a grad assistant at the "bottom of the totem pole" -- as you put it -- but he was also a beloved former QB of the team. He wasn't just a nobody. He's a 6'4" hulk of a former football player who failed when presented with an opportunity to do the right thing. And that's what this is about -- doing the right thing. Not about fulfilling a legal obligation or being beholden to a beloved public figure, both of which are piss poor excuses for not doing the right thing.

I understand where your coming from, but again, it's important to realize the distinction between knowing the "right thing" in the heat of the moment, and knowing it after the fact, when the adrenaline has faded and hindsight kicks in. I'm not justifying his course of action, and I believe he should have done more, however whether he was capable of doing more, regardless of his stature, is up for debate.[/quote:3sdhf8qv]

The "heat of the moment" argument doesn't hold water with me. He had years to do the right thing, and by all accounts didn't. He had years of seeing Sandusky around the program, on campus, and with access to vulnerable children. And it seems that he did nothing. Is it possible that he finally came forward a couple of years ago and that's what finally kicked off these grand jury proceedings? That's possible. And if so, I'm appreciative of him doing that. But for me, it should not have taken years for that happen.

 

[JoshHamilton]

You see a guy ******* a kid in a shower and you do nothing? You call your dad?

Uhh, no. I call Joe Paterno.

I know he won't tattle on anyone

 

[morgoth]

Could McCreary be protected under the whistleblower statute? Penn State is a state sponsered university and thus would most likely have similar whistle blower protections for anyone telling about a crime witnessed at the university.

I am thinking this is why he is being protected right now because of a potential lawsuit he could file on the university, basically stating that he was fired for coming forward with this information in the first place.

 

[hive17]

Enough of this thread, anyone trying to defend the actions of mcqueqry or joepa is disturbing. Saying he did the bare minimum and that was good enough is pathetic.

What would I do? Call 911, after I either beat the guy to an inch of his life or rescued the kid.


Sorry Gilmore, I won't be posting in this sad thread again.

That statement right there is why we're all glad you're not involved in this investigation. You want to lump Sandusky in with McQuery, in with JoPa, saying they are all the same. THAT'S the problem with this whole investigation: it's being done by rational people having to listen to emotional people.

 

[mstng99tim]

Could McCreary be protected under the whistleblower statute? Penn State is a state sponsered university and thus would most likely have similar whistle blower protections for anyone telling about a crime witnessed at the university.

I am thinking this is why he is being protected right now because of a potential lawsuit he could file on the university, basically stating that he was fired for coming forward with this information in the first place.

They were talking about this on the radio this morning and they said he would be covered under the whistleblower law. However, I swear I read somewhere in the past few days where it said he wouldn't be covered under the whistleblower law for a certain reason, but I can't remember what the reason was.

 

[19braves77]

It gets more complex:

Do u know who was a high school and college teammate of McQueary? Jon Sandusky
.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Another interesting article...


http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/