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5.2 IP, 11 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 3 BB, 4 K.


Against the PADRES in PETCO.
 

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Neither Sabathia or Hughes is having a great season - I'll take C.C.'s track record but they are matching each other pitch for pitch.

How about that Pettitte...
 

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CC Sabathia is an absolute joke. Coughed up yet another lead. At least when Phil Hughes sucks he sucks from the get go, not the second he gets a lead.



I remember him talking about how he'll get better when the weather gets warmer.

Spring Stats (through June 21): 7-5, 3.93 ERA

Summer Stats (After June 21): 4-6, 6.03 ERA
 
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CC Sabathia is an absolute joke. Coughed up yet another lead. At least when Phil Hughes sucks he sucks from the get go, not the second he gets a lead.




I remember him talking about how he'll get better when the weather gets warmer.

Spring Stats (through June 21): 7-5, 3.93 ERA

Summer Stats (After June 21): 4-6, 6.03 ERA

he's coming off of surgery. at his age that's not easy. I bet he has a great season next year. you want hughes, they pushed him back til Monday.
 

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The biggest probel with Hughes is he always seems to give up the big hit at the worst of times. Not many would take Hughes over CC given their track records. CC is off this year its easy to see. Id bet he comes back much better next year. Hughes needs a change of scenery bad.
 

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Hughes was just taken out of the rotation and put in the bullpen.
He hasn't won a game in two months. (July 2nd)
 

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Hughes was just taken out of the rotation and put in the bullpen.
He hasn't won a game in two months. (July 2nd)


Stats since July 2nd.


11 GS, 53.0 IP, 62 H, 29 ER, 17 BB, 41 K, 9 HR, 4.92 ERA, .297/.345/.852 | Win Probability Added: -1.038 | Team Result: 5-6

11 GS, 66.1 IP, 79 H, 46 ER, 29 BB, 59 K, 11 HR, 6.24 ERA, .294/.364/.859 | Win Probability Added: -2.226 | Team Result: 4-7


One of those is Phil Hughes, the other is CC Sabathia. Take your guess as to which is which.
 

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Hope The Mets sign him

Won't be shocked in the least if he signs with a national league team, especially with a big ballpark, and wins 18, like Ian Kennedy.

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HAHA The OP wants Phil Hughes...4-14 record hahaha

I think it's funnier you judge a SP on their W/L record.

Educate yourself, then laugh at his poor WHIP and his inability to keep the ball in the ballpark.

Maybe you think Chris Sale is bad because he has an 11-13 record?

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HAHA The OP wants Phil Hughes...4-14 record hahaha
Nope, probably doesn't want either...just was pointing out that Hughes was less bad then CC.


I think it's funnier you judge a SP on their W/L record.
Hm...I don't think I've ever seen a 'good' pitcher who went 4-14. Sometimes you can't judge a pitcher by their W/L but in this case, it's justified.
 

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Hm...I don't think I've ever seen a 'good' pitcher who went 4-14. Sometimes you can't judge a pitcher by their W/L but in this case, it's justified.

In this case, maybe, but he should be looking at the supporting stats to judge the pitcher.

Plenty of good/great pitchers have had losing records but the supporting stats show how good they were (ie: Cliff Lee last year).


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Hm...I don't think I've ever seen a 'good' pitcher who went 4-14. Sometimes you can't judge a pitcher by their W/L but in this case, it's justified.
Nolan Ryan went 8-16 in 1987, but lead the NL in ERA, strikeouts and came in 5th in Cy Young voting.
So many people criticize Ryan for having a poor lifetime winning percentage, but he played on some horrifically bad teams.
 

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Well how about that? Hughes is 7-2 with a 3.17 ERA on the season.



Meanwhile, CC Sabathia is sitting on the DL with a 5.78 ERA over his last 20 starts.
 

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I told all my customers he was going to be really good this year.

Add him to the list of "can't pitch in N.Y."

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