Player collectors... do you count show-stamped cards?

[onionring9]

I only count show stamped cards that are controlled towards my "card count" list. When I say controlled I mean cards that have a known quantity, usually serialized. Cards that get stamped in programs such as the "you opened a pack and get a stamped card" don't count on the "card count" list but are on my master list along with wrappers, yoyos, etc.

 

[nborton]

I'm neutral to them. Part of me sees the pack issued side, but the other part of me doesn't mind because they are produced by the manufacturer. It's not like they are backdoored or not legit. It would be totally different to me if they were stamped by some random second hand party. It hasn't really been a big issue so far in my collection. The only one I've seen is this one that I own.

 

[mredsox89]

I'll pick them up if I see them and they are cheap enough, but I do not factor them into cards I still need for the PC.

 

[1st4040]

I've got six Pacific cards embossed from various shows. I do count them as unique and part of my overall total 'different' cards. If any more showed up for the right price, I'd pick them up, but as far as being part of the overall completion percentage I don't count them. Beckett doesn't recognize them, but that's not big news - there are lots of cards we player collectors have that aren't recognized.

I can understand why Beckett doesn't checklist the Pacific embossed cards. Back in the day, you could open any pack of Pacific cards at the booth and choose one for them to emboss, even product from past years. Beckett would basically have to checklist every Pacific card with an embossed parallel, and for every different stamp which Pacific made, which was 50 or more. Quick low-ball estimate would be 50 sets x 50 shows = 2,500 different cards per player. The different combinations in play here make it impossible to add them - plus no way of knowing which cards even exist for which player.

they would just catogorize them the way they do Topps Tek or M&M... I think you just spent more time calculating the possibilities than they ever would.

 

[Gwynn545]

Couldn't there be any number of any card show stamped?
When Fanfest was here in Seattle, Donruss was stamping cards that were pulled at their booths. It did not seem very special to me... Never been to a big show, but I imagine they do the same things. It's just a different card. Who knows how many? I don't really care.
I do count the two that I have in my collection. One Donruss from that Fanfest, and one Pacific from the Hawaii show #'d/200...

 

[predatorkj]

Here are some cards I have received in the last couple years.

blank back. Also have printing plate for this both front and back, and a blank front with just a back card

says special olympics nevada 1 of 1 also have a 2001 donruss and 2001 fleer platinum 20th anniversary with same logo. They come with a certificate of authenticity and numbers on both the cert and card that match

This has a picture of a kid putting a backpack on a bigger kid and says project backpack 1 of 1

Danbury mint
Not scanned is a 2003 Fleer Hardball Uncut and a 2005 fleer (Red Sox Hood Kid Nation) Jersey card not listed. Was told the jersey card was a freebie to Red Sox Nation Members

I have a special olympics one as well as the Danbury mint for Bags.


I count them.I don't care how they were made as long as they are legit.To me...it doesn't matter much though because I have so many cards of Bags that are not on the checklist that I use the checklist only as a guide.That's all.But if a card is different then its different.Its still legit.You can't say a pacific logo embossed card is the same as the base card unless you totally ignore the embossed stamping.You can't do that.You can't add it to your list but I am pretty sure all you hardcore guys stopped using beckett as the end all be all a long time ago no?

 

[weegee]

After reading this I looked on the list by Beckett for Trot. A new card was added and I found it to be in 2002. They have always had a 2002 Donruss Fan Club Chicago National #47 Trot Nixon listed and I thought I had it. Then last night I see they had a 2002 Donruss Best of Fan Club Chicago National #47 Trot Nixon listed. Went back to look this morning to make sure I had things right ( I had the best of fan club already). and they removed the 2002 Donruss Fan Club Chicago National #47 Trot Nixon kept the best of and added 2002 Donruss Elite Status Chicago National #140 Trot Nixon.

 

[matfanofold]

Personally, I believe if a card is 'known' and is not some unlicensed knockoff, it should be on the Beckett checklist reguardless the printrun or method of distribution(with few exceptions). Thus I see no reason that show stamped/distibuted cards should be overlooked.

As a PC addition, it's obviously up to the collector as to weither they want to include them.

EDIT: Just wanted to update my opinion now that I fully know what we are talking here...

If we are simply talking 'any' card thats brought to a show and stamped, then obviously not. If it's a promo card distributed soley via the show and all stamped, then yes.

 

[theplasticman]

We can all agree, Beckett is inconsistent in what they list. So to simply go by what they list seems like not the greatest way to go about it.

I can't see much difference between the DLP issued cards from the Pacific cards aside from the DLP ones being numbered. I always felt Pacific got shorted in many ways.

One thing I wish would have happened with the Pacific cards was to have a specific amount issued from a specific number of sets. I can understand the headache that could have created but it would be nice today

I collect them all aside from the obvious fake ones that aren't issued directly by the companies. I've got an impressive hoard of them for my players

 

[smapdi]

There's no way for them to know a complete checklist. IIRC, one story I heard was the old pre-2001 Donruss had embossing at certain major shows if you opened a current pack of their product at their booth, they'd stamp 1 of the cards in that pack for you. And they'd only do 5 of any one card. So there could be 5 Ken Griffey Jr Leaf Limiteds, let's say, and 4 Ripkens and 1 Maddux, and zero of most others. Unless they somehow kept a permanent record of that and gave it to Beckett and Beckett maintained that list all this time, there's no way they could be checklisted.

However, it would be nice if they somehow assembled a list of shows at which there was stamping by the various companies.

I don't have any such cards, or desire any. I view them as oddball cards that have only very minimal merit.

 

[nborton]

There's no way for them to know a complete checklist. IIRC, one story I heard was the old pre-2001 Donruss had embossing at certain major shows if you opened a current pack of their product at their booth, they'd stamp 1 of the cards in that pack for you. And they'd only do 5 of any one card. So there could be 5 Ken Griffey Jr Leaf Limiteds, let's say, and 4 Ripkens and 1 Maddux, and zero of most others. Unless they somehow kept a permanent record of that and gave it to Beckett and Beckett maintained that list all this time, there's no way they could be checklisted.

However, it would be nice if they somehow assembled a list of shows at which there was stamping by the various companies.

I don't have any such cards, or desire any. I view them as oddball cards that have only very minimal merit.

On Beckett's part this is what it's all about. It doesn't really have to do with Beckett not recognizing them as legit authorized cards. They just haven't been given a checklist by the company. So they have no idea what exists.

It's all up to the collector in the long run. Some guys like the oddballs best. Some don't collect them at all.

I'm in a similar position right at the moment with Granderson and wrestling cards he has now. Do I pick them up as part of my collection, or do I let them go? Since I don't care about wrestling at all, I'm still not sure what I'm going to do. :lol:

 

[Thumpersports]

There's no way for them to know a complete checklist. IIRC, one story I heard was the old pre-2001 Donruss had embossing at certain major shows if you opened a current pack of their product at their booth, they'd stamp 1 of the cards in that pack for you. And they'd only do 5 of any one card. So there could be 5 Ken Griffey Jr Leaf Limiteds, let's say, and 4 Ripkens and 1 Maddux, and zero of most others. Unless they somehow kept a permanent record of that and gave it to Beckett and Beckett maintained that list all this time, there's no way they could be checklisted.

However, it would be nice if they somehow assembled a list of shows at which there was stamping by the various companies.

I don't have any such cards, or desire any. I view them as oddball cards that have only very minimal merit.

On Beckett's part this is what it's all about. It doesn't really have to do with Beckett not recognizing them as legit authorized cards. They just haven't been given a checklist by the company. So they have no idea what exists.It's all up to the collector in the long run. Some guys like the oddballs best. Some don't collect them at all.

I'm in a similar position right at the moment with Granderson and wrestling cards he has now. Do I pick them up as part of my collection, or do I let them go? Since I don't care about wrestling at all, I'm still not sure what I'm going to do. :lol:

Which is exactly why they dont belong on any checklists. Numbered or not.


--Can you still get proper lists off Beckett anyways? All I can find is the ones that include a picture, or in most cases a blank box. I would like just a list, can you still get these?

 

[predatorkj]

There's no way for them to know a complete checklist. IIRC, one story I heard was the old pre-2001 Donruss had embossing at certain major shows if you opened a current pack of their product at their booth, they'd stamp 1 of the cards in that pack for you. And they'd only do 5 of any one card. So there could be 5 Ken Griffey Jr Leaf Limiteds, let's say, and 4 Ripkens and 1 Maddux, and zero of most others. Unless they somehow kept a permanent record of that and gave it to Beckett and Beckett maintained that list all this time, there's no way they could be checklisted.

However, it would be nice if they somehow assembled a list of shows at which there was stamping by the various companies.

I don't have any such cards, or desire any. I view them as oddball cards that have only very minimal merit.

On Beckett's part this is what it's all about. It doesn't really have to do with Beckett not recognizing them as legit authorized cards. They just haven't been given a checklist by the company. So they have no idea what exists.It's all up to the collector in the long run. Some guys like the oddballs best. Some don't collect them at all.

I'm in a similar position right at the moment with Granderson and wrestling cards he has now. Do I pick them up as part of my collection, or do I let them go? Since I don't care about wrestling at all, I'm still not sure what I'm going to do. :lol:

Which is exactly why they dont belong on any checklists. Numbered or not.


--Can you still get proper lists off Beckett anyways? All I can find is the ones that include a picture, or in most cases a blank box. I would like just a list, can you still get these?

Change it to list view(its a tab option on the top of the list) and it comes up like it used to.You can also change the items per page to a max of 128 per.Only problem is there is no printing off a list like you used to be able to do.You have to print 128 items per page at a time then click to the next page and repeat.It sucks.Its why I just make my own lists now for sets.Who the hell needs all that problem?

As for Beckett not knowing whats out there...I don't think that's a vary good reason to let them off the hook.We as collectors have to educate ourselves so we can know not only whats out there, but also how it was made and distributed.Otherwise we would all be in deep crap.I hate to think a company calls themselves the number one source on pricing and info when they are anything but.In my eyes beckett should invest some time in making a meatier magazine and a more in depth information system.Their almanac is pretty good but its also very vague at times.Put some meat and potatoes in there and I wouldn't mind a price hike.As long as the info and the knowledge was in there.

 

[abncollectsautos]

I count them. I count just about every card my player is on. It may not be on any official checklist, but I think it counts.

 

[HawaiianLance]

I'll pick them up if I see them and they are cheap enough, but I do not factor them into cards I still need for the PC.

What he said ^^^.