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vwnut13 said:
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sure the yankees are good.
that doesnt mean they have not failed at buying championships over the past 10 years at a far higher rate than the red sox.
and the red sox dont even have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball, so when people always bring them up us buying with the yanks, its laughable, as the phils have the 2nd highest payroll i believe

But next season the Red Sox are going to be giving out some cash.

Papelbon will get a raise.
Adrian Gonzalez is getting a raise. ($15.7m)
Carl Crawford is getting a raise. ($5.43m)

And whatever free agents they decide to overpay for.


Sox have plenty of cash coming off the books, so any raises they have to give out will easily be balanced. There's JD Drew's $14 mil, Wakefield (won't need to resign him if he retires, as he should), Scutaro (if he doesn't take his option), Varitek (might finally call it quits with Lavarnway ready), Okajima (who I forgot is still on the team), Mike Cameron's awful contract, and maybe a few of the crappier bullpen arms that can be dumped. Just taking Drew off the books should pay for all the raises that are due.

EDIT: Papelbon will surely be back, Bard hasn't proven himself after this season. A major step back for him, he needs to get his head straight and confidence back before he can be the closer.
 

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DeliciousBacon said:
vwnut13 said:
miguelcabrera said:
sure the yankees are good.
that doesnt mean they have not failed at buying championships over the past 10 years at a far higher rate than the red sox.
and the red sox dont even have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball, so when people always bring them up us buying with the yanks, its laughable, as the phils have the 2nd highest payroll i believe

But next season the Red Sox are going to be giving out some cash.

Papelbon will get a raise.
Adrian Gonzalez is getting a raise. ($15.7m)
Carl Crawford is getting a raise. ($5.43m)

And whatever free agents they decide to overpay for.


Sox have plenty of cash coming off the books, so any raises they have to give out will easily be balanced. There's JD Drew's $14 mil, Wakefield (won't need to resign him if he retires, as he should), Scutaro (if he doesn't take his option), Varitek (might finally call it quits with Lavarnway ready), Okajima (who I forgot is still on the team), Mike Cameron's awful contract, and maybe a few of the crappier bullpen arms that can be dumped. Just taking Drew off the books should pay for all the raises that are due.




lol i completely overlooked this aspect as well. just goes to show you how high that yankee payroll is.
 

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miguelcabrera said:
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I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?




probably the yankees, they buy everyone

With Arod becoming a DH soon, Im sure he will be on the radar. That's why I asked about the Yankees. Phillies will be losing some players within the next two season, Guess they will go for a star player and if he is available. His numbers would only get better in the NL.
 

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Mr.Whipple said:
I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?

I think Longo signed a team-friendly, long-term (8 years?) contract. The players union hated it. Then Braun sort of did the same thing.
 

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hive17 said:
Mr.Whipple said:
I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?

I think Longo signed a team-friendly, long-term (8 years?) contract. The players union hated it. Then Braun sort of did the same thing.



yes i thought that was the case. always great to see players like braun and longoria want to stay with the team that drafted them and sign team friendly contracts in hopes they will compete. much better than players like damon who sell their souls, and much much much better than players like jeter who gauge the teams that drafted them for every penny.
 

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hive17 said:
Mr.Whipple said:
I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?

I think Longo signed a team-friendly, long-term (8 years?) contract. The players union hated it. Then Braun sort of did the same thing.

I love that Braun signed that deal with the Brewers. I didn't know about Longoria though. When did he sign his?
 

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hive17 said:
Mr.Whipple said:
I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?

I think Longo signed a team-friendly, long-term (8 years?) contract. The players union hated it. Then Braun sort of did the same thing.

Wow, not sure why he would do that. Unless they're is an agreement that they made, never made public and when he re-signs comes to light. Have to hope ownership, makes all the right plays to add players that wins championships for contracts like that.
 

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miguelcabrera said:
hive17 said:
Mr.Whipple said:
I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?

I think Longo signed a team-friendly, long-term (8 years?) contract. The players union hated it. Then Braun sort of did the same thing.



yes i thought that was the case. always great to see players like braun and longoria want to stay with the team that drafted them and sign team friendly contracts in hopes they will compete. much better than players like damon who sell their souls, and much much much better than players like jeter who gauge the teams that drafted them for every penny.
These friendly contracts that you seem to love so much are insurance for the players who sign them. The Rays offered Longoria rediculous money early in his career, 6 games into his career. Money he wouldnt have gotten if a free agent. So if he stunk he would still be getting paid very well. Braun is gonna get 145.5 million from the Brewers.
 

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elmalo said:
miguelcabrera said:
hive17 said:
Mr.Whipple said:
I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?

I think Longo signed a team-friendly, long-term (8 years?) contract. The players union hated it. Then Braun sort of did the same thing.



yes i thought that was the case. always great to see players like braun and longoria want to stay with the team that drafted them and sign team friendly contracts in hopes they will compete. much better than players like damon who sell their souls, and much much much better than players like jeter who gauge the teams that drafted them for every penny.
These friendly contracts that you seem to love so much are insurance for the players who sign them. The Rays offered Longoria rediculous money early in his career. Money he wouldnt have gotten if a free agent. So if he stunk he would still be getting paid very well.




sorry man that is just not the case. maybe a slight slight slight fraction of the reason they signed it is insurance against an injury. but players like longo and braun are stars. they are going to be good for years to come. they signed these contracts because they wont to win with the teams that drafted them and know the only way to do that is not take a ridiculous salary
 

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Longoria signed a contract guaranteeing him $17.5m over 6 years. The maximum the contract can be worth is ~$44 for 9 Years. Longoria made $2m this season.

I am sure Longoria would gladly go back and unsign that contract. Heck, I don't know if Evan could even afford his own superfractor if it were to show up. :lol:
 

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miguelcabrera said:
elmalo said:
miguelcabrera said:
hive17 said:
Mr.Whipple said:
I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?

I think Longo signed a team-friendly, long-term (8 years?) contract. The players union hated it. Then Braun sort of did the same thing.



yes i thought that was the case. always great to see players like braun and longoria want to stay with the team that drafted them and sign team friendly contracts in hopes they will compete. much better than players like damon who sell their souls, and much much much better than players like jeter who gauge the teams that drafted them for every penny.
These friendly contracts that you seem to love so much are insurance for the players who sign them. The Rays offered Longoria rediculous money early in his career. Money he wouldnt have gotten if a free agent. So if he stunk he would still be getting paid very well.




sorry man that is just not the case. maybe a slight slight slight fraction of the reason they signed it is insurance against an injury. but players like longo and braun are stars. they are going to be good for years to come. they signed these contracts because they wont to win with the teams that drafted them and know the only way to do that is not take a ridiculous salary
Longoria wasnt a star when he signed his contract. He had played exactly 6 games. Braun signed his extension in his second year in the league, he was not a star yet. His contract was the largest contract ever signed by someone with only 1 year service time. I garauntee you that Longoria is kicking himself for signing that contract.
 

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elmalo said:
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elmalo said:
miguelcabrera said:
hive17 said:
[quote="Mr.Whipple":1kblxkqk]I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?

I think Longo signed a team-friendly, long-term (8 years?) contract. The players union hated it. Then Braun sort of did the same thing.



yes i thought that was the case. always great to see players like braun and longoria want to stay with the team that drafted them and sign team friendly contracts in hopes they will compete. much better than players like damon who sell their souls, and much much much better than players like jeter who gauge the teams that drafted them for every penny.
These friendly contracts that you seem to love so much are insurance for the players who sign them. The Rays offered Longoria rediculous money early in his career. Money he wouldnt have gotten if a free agent. So if he stunk he would still be getting paid very well.




sorry man that is just not the case. maybe a slight slight slight fraction of the reason they signed it is insurance against an injury. but players like longo and braun are stars. they are going to be good for years to come. they signed these contracts because they wont to win with the teams that drafted them and know the only way to do that is not take a ridiculous salary
Longoria wasnt a star when he signed his contract. He had played exactly 6 games. Braun signed his extension in his second year in the league, he was not a star yet. His contract was the largest contract ever signed by someone with only 1 year service time. I garauntee you that Longoria would not sign that contract right now.[/quote:1kblxkqk]




im not positive and am too lazy to look it up (doing a ton of work), but i believe longoria signed his contract way after he played 6 games in the league. and even if so, i bet he would sign it all over again or something a bit over it but way under his true value.

as for braun, im positive he just signed a friendly extension very recently, so you are wrong good sir
 

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Money buys championships, right?

Oh wait, how come the #3-8 payrolls don't finish out the list after the Yankees and Phillies?
 

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miguelcabrera said:
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miguelcabrera said:
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miguelcabrera said:
[quote="hive17":z5d6b7bk][quote="Mr.Whipple":z5d6b7bk]I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?

I think Longo signed a team-friendly, long-term (8 years?) contract. The players union hated it. Then Braun sort of did the same thing.



yes i thought that was the case. always great to see players like braun and longoria want to stay with the team that drafted them and sign team friendly contracts in hopes they will compete. much better than players like damon who sell their souls, and much much much better than players like jeter who gauge the teams that drafted them for every penny.
These friendly contracts that you seem to love so much are insurance for the players who sign them. The Rays offered Longoria rediculous money early in his career. Money he wouldnt have gotten if a free agent. So if he stunk he would still be getting paid very well.




sorry man that is just not the case. maybe a slight slight slight fraction of the reason they signed it is insurance against an injury. but players like longo and braun are stars. they are going to be good for years to come. they signed these contracts because they wont to win with the teams that drafted them and know the only way to do that is not take a ridiculous salary
Longoria wasnt a star when he signed his contract. He had played exactly 6 games. Braun signed his extension in his second year in the league, he was not a star yet. His contract was the largest contract ever signed by someone with only 1 year service time. I garauntee you that Longoria would not sign that contract right now.[/quote:z5d6b7bk]




im not positive and am too lazy to look it up (doing a ton of work), but i believe longoria signed his contract way after he played 6 games in the league. and even if so, i bet he would sign it all over again or something a bit over it but way under his true value.

as for braun, im positive he just signed a friendly extension very recently, so you are wrong good sir[/quote:z5d6b7bk]
Braun gets a $10 million signing bonus and will make salaries of $19 million in 2016-18, $18 million in 2019, $16 million in 2020. The mutual option is worth up to $20 million with a $4 million buyout.
The contract's average annual value of $21 million is the second-highest ever for an outfielder after Manny Ramirez's two-year deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Braun is the third player in history to sign a deal worth an average of at least $20 million a year at age 27 or younger. The others were Minnesota Twins catcher Joe Mauer last year and Alex Rodriguez in 2001.

Taken third overall in the 2006 amateur draft, Longoria appeared in just six major league game before agreeing to the deal. If he isn't sent down to the minors again, he would be guaranteed $19 million.
 

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good thing there is revenue sharing so the Yankees as an organization make less than the Pittsburgh Pirates.
 

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elmalo said:
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[quote="miguelcabrera":13kqpdza][quote="hive17":13kqpdza][quote="Mr.Whipple":13kqpdza]I'm not familiar with the Rays financial situation, But when a few of the younger stars on the team. Come up for new contracts, Will they be able to afford to resign Longo, Price and etc...? I imagine Longo is gonna command 10-15x his current salary and Price 8-10x. Does that put the Yankees, Phillies and other big spenders in the market for a top tier 3rd baseman?

I think Longo signed a team-friendly, long-term (8 years?) contract. The players union hated it. Then Braun sort of did the same thing.



yes i thought that was the case. always great to see players like braun and longoria want to stay with the team that drafted them and sign team friendly contracts in hopes they will compete. much better than players like damon who sell their souls, and much much much better than players like jeter who gauge the teams that drafted them for every penny.
These friendly contracts that you seem to love so much are insurance for the players who sign them. The Rays offered Longoria rediculous money early in his career. Money he wouldnt have gotten if a free agent. So if he stunk he would still be getting paid very well.




sorry man that is just not the case. maybe a slight slight slight fraction of the reason they signed it is insurance against an injury. but players like longo and braun are stars. they are going to be good for years to come. they signed these contracts because they wont to win with the teams that drafted them and know the only way to do that is not take a ridiculous salary
Longoria wasnt a star when he signed his contract. He had played exactly 6 games. Braun signed his extension in his second year in the league, he was not a star yet. His contract was the largest contract ever signed by someone with only 1 year service time. I garauntee you that Longoria would not sign that contract right now.[/quote:13kqpdza]




im not positive and am too lazy to look it up (doing a ton of work), but i believe longoria signed his contract way after he played 6 games in the league. and even if so, i bet he would sign it all over again or something a bit over it but way under his true value.

as for braun, im positive he just signed a friendly extension very recently, so you are wrong good sir[/quote:13kqpdza]
Braun gets a $10 million signing bonus and will make salaries of $19 million in 2016-18, $18 million in 2019, $16 million in 2020. The mutual option is worth up to $20 million with a $4 million buyout.
The contract's average annual value of $21 million is the second-highest ever for an outfielder after Manny Ramirez's two-year deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Braun is the third player in history to sign a deal worth an average of at least $20 million a year at age 27 or younger. The others were Minnesota Twins catcher Joe Mauer last year and Alex Rodriguez in 2001.

Taken third overall in the 2006 amateur draft, Longoria appeared in just six major league game before agreeing to the deal. If he isn't sent down to the minors again, he would be guaranteed $19 million.[/quote:13kqpdza]




interesting about longo, i didnt know that
but i still believe he would sign a team friendly contract if he were a free agent after the season
 

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jgro85 said:
good thing there is revenue sharing so the Yankees as an organization make less than the Pittsburgh Pirates.

The Pirates make more money, but they spend so much less. hmmm.
 

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jgro85 said:
good thing there is revenue sharing so the Yankees as an organization make less than the Pittsburgh Pirates.

It just goes to show you that the Yankees ownership cares so much about trying to build a winning team. Shouldn't all fans want an owner like this?
 

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Y4NK335 said:
jgro85 said:
good thing there is revenue sharing so the Yankees as an organization make less than the Pittsburgh Pirates.

It just goes to show you that the Yankees ownership cares so much about trying to build a winning team. Shouldn't all fans want an owner like this?
No. They are just evil and overrated.
 

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