POLL: WAS THIS OFFER FAIR? (PRIZES AWARDED)

[blanning71]

Not asking for kind words...

I honestly feel that that cannot be called a "lowball" offer.
Regardless, it is tasteless of the seller to say what he said (and I see Beckett has removed his statement).
BG

I agree 100% that is was tasteless. Whomever mentioned this in the press, blog, paper, whatever it may be was tasteless without a doubt. I agree with the others that it wasn't a low-ball offer, even though I thought it was very low (can't think of another term right now instead of low-ball), but your a business man and you have to make money too. It only takes one guy who has crazy money to put this all out of whack. I do know this card will be well worth $15,000 or more in 2012.

Quite a bold statement. You never know whats gonna happen to Harper in two years time. Just ask his teammate...Mr. Strasburg. He will agree. There's no given the card will be worth anything then. Is it possible he won't pan out? Sure. Is he going in with a good upside? Absolutely. Is it a lock his cards will be worth something? Nope

 

[LazerShow15]

I agree that the seller should not have shared who made an offer or for what amount. It comes across that he is either name-dropping or trying to present BG in a negative light, neither of which should have been done in an article IMO.

AMEN brother +5

 

[pigskincardboard]

Please vindicate my actions, guys. I'm really an awesome dude. Seriously, I have prizes!

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

I am NOOOO way close to a prospector. If I was offered that kind of money (even for a 1/1) I would have jumped on it. With that said, I am not a prospector and I heard of his name. That leads me to think there would be even more money to be made on this card. But anything can happen (Straus) and a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. I never look back at a sale.

 

[abravesfan]

I dont think any offer of several thousand dollars for a card with still undetermined significance can be deemed a "lowball offer"

that said, seller always has the right to reject offers, and he obviously did the right thing for himself by rejecting it

 

[FortyFour]

I think you were a little low.

8K would have been a fair price to start at.

 

[LazerShow15]

Not asking for kind words...

I honestly feel that that cannot be called a "lowball" offer.
Regardless, it is tasteless of the seller to say what he said (and I see Beckett has removed his statement).
BG

I agree 100% that is was tasteless. Whomever mentioned this in the press, blog, paper, whatever it may be was tasteless without a doubt. I agree with the others that it wasn't a low-ball offer, even though I thought it was very low (can't think of another term right now instead of low-ball), but your a business man and you have to make money too. It only takes one guy who has crazy money to put this all out of whack. I do know this card will be well worth $15,000 or more in 2012.

Quite a bold statement. You never know whats gonna happen to Harper in two years time. Just ask his teammate...Mr. Strasburg. He will agree. There's no given the card will be worth anything then. Is it possible he won't pan out? Sure. Is he going in with a good upside? Absolutely. Is it a lock his cards will be worth something? Nope

I am a prospector and I BELIEVE it will be worth that. A pitcher is a lot different than a position player as far as value. That is why you do not see many collecting pitchers until they are proven in the league or have retired.

 

[blanning71]

Not asking for kind words...

I honestly feel that that cannot be called a "lowball" offer.
Regardless, it is tasteless of the seller to say what he said (and I see Beckett has removed his statement).
BG

I agree 100% that is was tasteless. Whomever mentioned this in the press, blog, paper, whatever it may be was tasteless without a doubt. I agree with the others that it wasn't a low-ball offer, even though I thought it was very low (can't think of another term right now instead of low-ball), but your a business man and you have to make money too. It only takes one guy who has crazy money to put this all out of whack. I do know this card will be well worth $15,000 or more in 2012.

Quite a bold statement. You never know whats gonna happen to Harper in two years time. Just ask his teammate...Mr. Strasburg. He will agree. There's no given the card will be worth anything then. Is it possible he won't pan out? Sure. Is he going in with a good upside? Absolutely. Is it a lock his cards will be worth something? Nope

I am a prospector and I BELIEVE it will be worth that. A pitcher is a lot different than a position player as far as value. That is why you do not see many collecting pitchers until they are proven in the league or have retired.

Well there ya go. Believing and knowing are two totally different statements. It just makes you look all cocky and come across as some badass collector when you make a statement that "you know" the card will be worth *** dollars in a few years. Bottom line.....we don't KNOW anything. We can have feelings or "beliefs" of how it will end up but just don't run around throwing out the knowledge if you aren't 100% sure. Makes ya look like a clown if you're wrong.

 

[SamHell]

I think your offer and the selling price were way too generous. Bryce Harper has tons of potential but if you had to have a 1/1 card of his, would you want the first one in his MLB uniform or one commemorating his play on the USA baseball team?

 

[Leaf]

Obviously the seller didn't think your offer was too fair......

And he got twice as much, so........

Seller Wins.

Your offer wasn't bad, how can $6500+ for a single 2010 baseball card be a bad offer? Obviously the seller wasn't in a hurry to cash in and run like others have mentioned they would have. Kudos to him, that card will never sell for that high ever again IMO. Hell, the 2011 Bowman Chrome Auto Super might only get a little more. I can see the seller with arms raised over his head, looking over the Grand Canyon, screaming, "Victory!!!"

Yes, but is it lowball or insulting? That is what the seller stated. BG

 

[carlitoson]

Well there ya go. Believing and knowing are two totally different statements. It just makes you look all cocky and come across as some badass collector when you make a statement that "you know" the card will be worth *** dollars in a few years. Bottom line.....we don't KNOW anything. We can have feelings or "beliefs" of how it will end up but just don't run around throwing out the knowledge if you aren't 100% sure. Makes ya look like a clown if you're wrong.

That's sorta where this poll originates from IMO. For the record, I think $6750 is a great offer. But if Brian told the guy "you'll never get above $8K", then that's mighty presumptuous (and arrogant). I'd have been tempted to "rub his nose in it" a bit too, but privately. I agree with Brian in that it shouldn't have been made public.

 

[JEA2880]

Definitely fair - questions regarding signability and the strong likelihood that he gets a Bowman Chrome Autograph prior to his (presumed) Major League debut makes it a strong offer to me!

 

[mredsox89]

Your offer was very fair. I think most would agree that no one expected it to end up over 10K, and considering what some other cards have gone for, it was a reasonable offer, at the very least, it was a reasonable starting point and no one should have been offended by it

 

[Leaf]

Please vindicate my actions, guys. I'm really an awesome dude. Seriously, I have prizes!

Dude, are you ok? I didnt have any "actions". A guys does a beckett interview and bad mouths me because I only offered $6750 for a 1/1 card of an unproven 17 year old who might be Pujols or might be Dave Hostetler.
I just wanted to see if I am unreasonable for thinking this guy is out of line with his statements.
BG

 

[muskiesfan]

Please vindicate my actions, guys. I'm really an awesome dude. Seriously, I have prizes!

This goes way beyond this thread, but do you always have to be condescending to everyone? You seem to go out of your way to make sure and belittle people.

 

[A_Pharis]

I believe you're over was fair. STRONG would be putting that value versus the POTENTIAL value. Sure, if Harper was more of a longshot then you could say that it was a STRONG offer since there was much more room for growth. Still, with all of his hype (even as unproven as he is) I would still say the offer was fair if not a little better than fair.

The problem comes with who you are, Brian. You're heading up a company that produces product - of course the guy is going to scoff at your offer since he feels you're always going to be holding something back in order to make money. I think if it was obvious that your coming into possession of it was the final destination, then it would have gone a lot further.

As it stands, your offer probably served as a benchmark for the seller to say "Well, BG offered this so obviously it's worth more". It was no win for you, BG, simply because of who you are - just like Harper being who he is makes it hard to get past these guys that not every prospect is worth thousands to anyone outside of their world.

tl;dnr : Any offer you made would have been "too low" unless you gave the guy a figure that would get him into the news.

 

[A_Pharis]

Please vindicate my actions, guys. I'm really an awesome dude. Seriously, I have prizes!

This goes way beyond this thread, but do you always have to be condescending to everyone? You seem to go out of your way to make sure and belittle people.

I notice that, too. He also makes huge generalized statements without thinking. (i.e. shows he thinks are for "morons" which my wife happens to watch and also which seems to be just shows outside of his interests)

 

[minors4me]

offering to pay $6750 for any card (and i mean any card) is more than a fair offer, regardless weather its some shiny piece of cardboard or a 100+ year old piece of cardboard, thats a lot of coin.

 

[yanxyanx]

$6750 cash was probably close to a fair offer. My initial thoughts were $8K is a fair offer price, but to say that the offer was not in the ballpark and low ball I believe is wrong.

Plus, if the offer was cash, I would have assumed it would have been outside of eBay and Paypal. Therefore, on $8000, eBay/Paypal take close to $350, so again, its not far off.

Plus, it is a negotiation. Who knows where the negotiations would have went? Believe me, for someone who has bought plenty of stuff over the years, my first price isn't always my best price (although I always try and be fair to both sides).

Joe

 

[blanning71]

You shouldn't air your laundry on these boards if you don't want people to knitpick you and criticize every single part of the topic at hand. This goes for both of you in this thread and everyone else that gets all bent when someone puts their feet to the fire.

Did Brian make a fair offer? Hell yes
Did the seller take it? Nope.
Did the seller think he could get more out of it and get some pub for putting this whole story out there? Obviously
Did seller get more than the offer of BG? Yup. Obviously
Was it a slam to BG to be mentioned in the article like he was? Yup
Is it going to solve anything going back and forth like this? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


So there. Sometimes you just gotta let sleeping dogs lay where they are.