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POLL: WAS THIS OFFER FAIR? (PRIZES AWARDED)
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PeteD
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For me it would be a strong offer and i'd be more than grateful.
Of course i'm talkin' about an OFF Ebay offer.
$6750 US for me is a win/win situation.
Of course i'm talkin' about an OFF Ebay offer.
$6750 US for me is a win/win situation.
hoopster3977
New member
In regards to the OP's pole I voted a "very strong" offer. $6750 Cash for a USA Baseball Superfractor card is one legit offer. The kid is 17 yr old Juco player with a lot of hype and no track record of substance. If he had played one season of Div.1 baseball and LED his team to the College Ncaa playoffs, the card might be worth the investment.
The "low ball" comment the seller made is a typical comment for a smug 35yr old Wall Street trader. He's probably the type who would be shaking your right hand while his left hand is picking your pocket. Instant gratification by calling out a well known buyer and pimping himself.
There will be more Bryce Harper superfractors to be had. The buyer who paid the $12k might be beating his against the wall a year from now for paying what he did.
The "low ball" comment the seller made is a typical comment for a smug 35yr old Wall Street trader. He's probably the type who would be shaking your right hand while his left hand is picking your pocket. Instant gratification by calling out a well known buyer and pimping himself.
There will be more Bryce Harper superfractors to be had. The buyer who paid the $12k might be beating his against the wall a year from now for paying what he did.
lisu
Active member
Harper is all pure hype. How much did the 2007 Bowman Chrome Super of Jason Heyward sell for? And he's even wearing a Braves uni in that one! I would have said that a USA Super of Bryce Harper would have sold for about $5k, but that is my own assessment. The buyer overpaid.
BluesBroSJ
New member
Super + hype + Stras effect, I would say the price the seller wanted was too high. I would say it was a little bit below what would have been considered "fair market" HOWEVER, it was during this time everyone thought their super was triple in value thanks to the stras sale. Realistically i think the USA uni hurt the card a bit, and in his PRO uniform that super will sell a bit better. 12k for any card is beyond crazy in my book, but thats just me.
i43770
New member
I didn't read the whole post, because I wanted to give my opinion before I read other people's.
I feel that based on perception of him as a player, it was a low offer. He was on the cover of SI before he went to JC, had more hype than any player drafted (as far back as I can remember), and has shown that he can hit the ball. But based on past, "sure things", I feel that paying that much for any card of a player who hasn't played an inning of baseball, let alone signed with a team (at the time), is crazy.
I feel that based on perception of him as a player, it was a low offer. He was on the cover of SI before he went to JC, had more hype than any player drafted (as far back as I can remember), and has shown that he can hit the ball. But based on past, "sure things", I feel that paying that much for any card of a player who hasn't played an inning of baseball, let alone signed with a team (at the time), is crazy.
MiracleMatthew
New member
WHO CARES?! You didn't get the card. We have all offered for a card and would have definitely paid more for it, and it sold to someone else, leaving us with that bad feeling in the stomach. Get over it. The talk about this damn offer is getting ridiculous. Move on man
Lancemountain
Active member
5k seemed fair, your offer was high imo
Card Magnet
New member
I'd call it a fair offer. That card is a true 1/1, and there was no card to really compare it to, even the Strasburg Super. The only way to find out its value is to have it actually sell. Therefore, you made a fair offer.
mstng99tim
New member
Considering how much the Stras super went for, I would think $8,000 would be a strong offer.
leatherman
Active member
I think what many people are missing here is the Brian is running a business. Retail markup is typically on the order of 100%, meaning that if Wal-Mart buys a stereo for $100, it is going to sell it for $200. The extra $100 goes into leases, payroll, other expenses/overhead, and profit. The profit may only be $10.
In Brian's case, he offered a price of $6750 on a card that sold at a retail price of $12,500. Leaf/Razor has expenses/overhead just like Wal-Mart. It's not like Brian was going to buy this card for $6750, sell it for $12,500, and go to Vegas with $5750 in his pocket while Leaf/Razor puts out its next product. Most of that $5750 would go back into the business and a small amount would be profit. Anyone who has watched even one episode of those reality pawn shops knows that they typically pay about 50% of their anticipated selling price to their customers.
On a different note, I don't think Beckett should have pulled the line about Brian's offer about the card. If it's the truth, then it is part of the story regardless of anyone's opinion as to the picture it paints of Brian or Leaf/Razor. By removing that tidbit, it now makes it appear that a Beckett advertiser has used his leverage to shape the story. I can't come with another scenario explaining why this part of the story would be removed. Obviously Brian was upset by the line, as evidenced by this post and poll. I can certainly understand his frustration in having a private business matter discussed publicly, but what purpose does this thread serve after the sale of the card? The seller of the card said it all when he said that hundreds of people made low offers. That's not what happened at all: hundreds of people made fair offers, and one person overpaid. If any of those hundreds of people thought it would sell for $12,500, don't you think they would have offered $10,000?
In Brian's case, he offered a price of $6750 on a card that sold at a retail price of $12,500. Leaf/Razor has expenses/overhead just like Wal-Mart. It's not like Brian was going to buy this card for $6750, sell it for $12,500, and go to Vegas with $5750 in his pocket while Leaf/Razor puts out its next product. Most of that $5750 would go back into the business and a small amount would be profit. Anyone who has watched even one episode of those reality pawn shops knows that they typically pay about 50% of their anticipated selling price to their customers.
On a different note, I don't think Beckett should have pulled the line about Brian's offer about the card. If it's the truth, then it is part of the story regardless of anyone's opinion as to the picture it paints of Brian or Leaf/Razor. By removing that tidbit, it now makes it appear that a Beckett advertiser has used his leverage to shape the story. I can't come with another scenario explaining why this part of the story would be removed. Obviously Brian was upset by the line, as evidenced by this post and poll. I can certainly understand his frustration in having a private business matter discussed publicly, but what purpose does this thread serve after the sale of the card? The seller of the card said it all when he said that hundreds of people made low offers. That's not what happened at all: hundreds of people made fair offers, and one person overpaid. If any of those hundreds of people thought it would sell for $12,500, don't you think they would have offered $10,000?
bradical
Active member
BG,
I wouldn't sweat the negative press from your offer. You had a price in mind, you expressed your interest and attempted to negotiate the sale with the seller. You can't be held accountable for unrealistic expectations that the seller may have had set with the sale.
I am not sure what the original sale price was, but it sounded like the second owner was just looking to double-up on an investment and not interested in hearing anything in regards to true market value.
No need to dwell on it.
BW
I wouldn't sweat the negative press from your offer. You had a price in mind, you expressed your interest and attempted to negotiate the sale with the seller. You can't be held accountable for unrealistic expectations that the seller may have had set with the sale.
I am not sure what the original sale price was, but it sounded like the second owner was just looking to double-up on an investment and not interested in hearing anything in regards to true market value.
No need to dwell on it.
BW
sigma_chi
New member
Leaf said:
What's the point of this poll? It's all about perspective. From his perspective he was wanting 12K+ and you only offered him 1/2 that then yes, it was a lowball offer. The card sold for 2X what you offered him. Shouldn't that be the end of it?
A_Pharis
Active member
sigma_chi said:
Did the guy say "I want $12+k?" and BG reply "Well, I am only going to offer half that."
No, the guy said "What will you offer?" and BG replied "I offer you a little under $7k, and you won't get over blah blah amount".
It's not "lowball for being half what it sold for" when there was no concept of it possibly being sold for that much. Could BG have not included the part about not getting more than a certain amount?
Sure, but I've seen tons of business people do it. I've also seen contractors do it with bidding for jobs -- "You won't find another company to do it less than this." Sometimes, saying stuff like that is what will get a deal done.
I think all of you should calm down and try to view this situation as fair as possible. For all of you that bash Razor and claim not to bust the products you sure waste a lot of time following Razor threads. It's simple I don't collect Garbage Pail Kids, but I don't spend my time of the forums bashing them and trying to discredit the owner of the company. I have collected for 20 years and a lot of companies have come and gone. All of them have strengths and weaknesses, the perfect card company does not exist. I think Brian Gray does a good job putting collectible hits in his products. You may not break even on every products, but his products give collectors the best chance at owning rare items. I think the offer for the Bryce Harper was extremely fair, if the seller didn't like it fine, but it should have stopped at that point. I'm sure lower offers were given, did the seller announce all of those offers? Brian Gray is trying to run a business and acquire cards to put in future products so collectors have a shot at those otherwise unattainable cards.
