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FCB Donruss Elite 2009 Prospect Checklist

The players below are all guys who I’ve seen multiple times.

Top Three

Dustin Ackley – I scouted Ackley at UNC and then again at the Arizona Fall League. His plate approach is one of the best I’ve ever seen – squares up on everything, good two-strike hitter, great bat control. Even as a freshman in one of the toughest baseball conferences in the nation (ACC), the lefthanded batter controlled plate appearances, consistently hit line drives and showed a very advanced feel for the game. He had a 14.0% AFL walk rate and 28.3% of the balls he put in play were line drives – led the AFL in LD%. Though he’s an elite line-drive hitter, the 6-foot-1, 185-pounder does not hit many fly balls. You may be expecting too much if you think he’ll put up above-average power numbers in the big leagues. Surprisingly, he was made a strikeout victim in 22.1% of his 86 AFL plate appearances (8.2% K over 999 NCAA PA).

Ackley is a plus runner. He gets good reads, takes efficient routes, and may be able to provide average or better defense in center field. As a corner outfielder – probably LF because his arm isn’t very strong – his defense would almost certainly be above-average.

Mike Leake – Before I had a chance to see him, Leake put together a statistical resume that had me giddy. Pitching in one of the most hitter-friendly college parks in the country, he went from elite freshman to out-of-this-world junior. The 5-foot-11, 180-pounder – his height is frequently exaggerated – uses plus plus command and outstanding movement to clown around with hitters. Leake’s also an elite ground-ball pitcher. His fastball sits at 88-91 MPH (touches 92), about 8-10 MPH faster than his changeup. Leake also throws a slider, curve and cutter.

People who write him off for not having outstanding upside are missing out. Leake could easily turn into an above-average MLB starter – crafty with the arsenal and smarts to make hitters look silly. He’s fresh off a 142.0 inning college season plus 19.2 strong AFL innings and may be ready to handle 190+ innings in 2010.

Chase D’Arnaud – Many fans who scout prospects will take a “Did this guy impress me?” approach. If that’s how you roll, D’Arnaud probably won’t catch your eye. He’s the type of player who will grow on you more and more as you see him, though. The 6-foot-1, 175-pounder has the speed, instincts and hand-eye coordination to play shortstop. And that’s largely what makes him valuable. D’Arnaud has just eight home runs over 786 professional plate appearances. But he gets the ball in the air regularly and could be a gap hitter who produces high doubles totals. He’s patient (10.4% career BB including the AFL) and has above-average contact skills (15.4% K). D’Arnaud could have a lengthy big league career due to his polished approach to the game. If he keeps up his High-A hitting pace in Double-A, he’ll reach the big leagues in a hurry.

Avoid

Grant Desme – When Grant Desme started generating buzz as one of the game’s top five-tool talents, I made the trip out to Stockton to see him play. The verdict: Not impressed; he looked overmatched. Then Desme had an amazing few weeks at the AFL. So I again gave him my full attention. The verdict: Not impressed; he looked overmatched.

Desme is an extremely selective hitter who tends to watch pitches until he’s behind in the count. Throw his pitch when he’s looking for it and he can do some major damage. In other words, he’s a mistake hitter. It would be one thing if Desme was a great bet to stick in center. While he does have slightly above-average speed, his lofty stolen base totals come from excellent jumps and his advanced ability to read pitchers. I think he’s a corner outfielder who will tease onlookers with his power but wind up lost at the plate more often than not.

D.J. LeMahieu – If you’re into players with MLB bodies, LeMahieu may be your guy. If you’re into players who are likely bets to become big leaguers, look elsewhere. A 6-foot-4, 195-pounder, LeMahieu’s a good contact hitter with below-average patience, speed and power. While he makes contact regularly, LeMahieu showed why his ceiling is so limited during his pro debut: 0 HR and 70+ GB% over 182 PA. A draft-eligible sophomore who the Cubs rolled the dice on with the 79th overall pick, he opened the year as LSU’s shortstop but primarily played second base in the College World Series. I think his defensive skill set will land him at third base.

LeMahieu may look like a guy who could figure things out someday. But I wouldn’t bet on that happening. He’s far from selective, struggles to get the ball in the air and probably isn’t going to be up-the-middle defender.

Alex White – Largely considered UNC’s top recruit for the 2007 season – ahead of Ackley – White threw an 88-92 MPH fastball (touched 93) as a freshman. He complemented it with a 76-79 MPH slider. Two years later (College World Series), his fastball was sitting 89-92 (touched 94) and he managed to sharpen his slider a bit. The 6-foot-3, 200-pounder’s changeup and curveball are both below-average offerings. White’s command is also inconsistent. I see him as a likely reliever. And there are more than a couple college arms that were selected well after him that I think will provide significantly more MLB value.

Sleeper

Jason Kipnis – Though he played center field for ASU, Kipnis was moved to left when he signed with the Indians. And his upside is limited there. But the 5-foot-10, 175-pounder is a disciplined hitter who makes a lot of contact, has elite bat speed and was an outstanding college hitter over 750+ plate appearances. During his final two college seasons, Kipnis walked 102 times while striking out 73 – he stays balanced even against good breaking balls. His quick bat allows him time to identify pitches and he works the count well. He also has pretty good pop, though I’ve seen him struggle with inside fastballs on more than a few occasions. Don’t be surprised if Kipnis turns into an above-average defensive corner outfielder with a near-average MLB bat.

Extras

I’ve only seen limited footage of the following players, but I’m expecting big things from them based off of what I have seen: Slade Heathcott, Jiovanni Mier, Wil Myers, Tony Sanchez, Zeke Spruill and Mike Trout.



Feel free to ask questions guys, he will be chiming in.


And check his site out at...

http://www.projectprospect.com
 

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The podcast? Adam did with Leake was enjoyable to listen to. I almost never do the podcast thing, but I figured what the hell.

Personally, I'm intrigued to see what kind of pfx data Leake spits out. Plus-Plus is a pretty strong word though.

As a Jays fan, I'm really starting to see a lot of Shawn Marcum in the kid.

Not the sexiest comparison, but Marcum notched a 7-8K/9 and 2-3BB/9 for solid numbers across the board.
 

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cgilmo said:
Avoid
Alex White
– Largely considered UNC’s top recruit for the 2007 season – ahead of Ackley – White threw an 88-92 MPH fastball (touched 93) as a freshman. He complemented it with a 76-79 MPH slider. Two years later (College World Series), his fastball was sitting 89-92 (touched 94) and he managed to sharpen his slider a bit. The 6-foot-3, 200-pounder’s changeup and curveball are both below-average offerings. White’s command is also inconsistent. I see him as a likely reliever. And there are more than a couple college arms that were selected well after him that I think will provide significantly more MLB value.

And check his site out at...

http://www.projectprospect.com

Good Read. Thanks for coming by and giving us your thoughts and opinions. I couldn't agree with your more about Alex White. I was very unimpressed with his repitoire compared to the hype/draft position/$$$ cost. He won't be able to overpower people with his fastball at the next level and his off-speed stuff is just average at best in my eyes.

Thanks again!!!

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pigskincardboard said:
The podcast? Adam did with Leake was enjoyable to listen to. I almost never do the podcast thing, but I figured what the hell.

Personally, I'm intrigued to see what kind of pfx data Leake spits out. Plus-Plus is a pretty strong word though.

As a Jays fan, I'm really starting to see a lot of Shawn Marcum in the kid.

Not the sexiest comparison, but Marcum notched a 7-8K/9 and 2-3BB/9 for solid numbers across the board.

I'm glad you enjoyed that podcast -- Leake was fun to interview. Here's a link to our audio archives if anyone else wants to listen to the Leake interview.

Leake's first three AFL starts were in front of PitchFX. His last three were not. Of the 78 four-seam fastball he threw in the first three, 69.2% were strikes. And 73.0% of the 37 changeups he threw in those three outings were strikes -- he also got swing-throughs on an outstanding 13.5% of his changeups.
 

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ballerskrip said:
cgilmo said:
Avoid
Alex White
– Largely considered UNC’s top recruit for the 2007 season – ahead of Ackley – White threw an 88-92 MPH fastball (touched 93) as a freshman. He complemented it with a 76-79 MPH slider. Two years later (College World Series), his fastball was sitting 89-92 (touched 94) and he managed to sharpen his slider a bit. The 6-foot-3, 200-pounder’s changeup and curveball are both below-average offerings. White’s command is also inconsistent. I see him as a likely reliever. And there are more than a couple college arms that were selected well after him that I think will provide significantly more MLB value.

And check his site out at...

http://www.projectprospect.com

Good Read. Thanks for coming by and giving us your thoughts and opinions. I couldn't agree with your more about Alex White. I was very unimpressed with his repitoire compared to the hype/draft position/$$$ cost. He won't be able to overpower people with his fastball at the next level and his off-speed stuff is just average at best in my eyes.

Thanks again!!!

skrip

I'm glad to contribute. This is a great community and I can tell that many of you do your homework.
 

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Thanks for the insight. Since the Cubs were so well represented in this one ;) , what is your take on Brett Jackson? I am interested in your opinion. From what I saw of him last year, he could be a nice fit at the top of the order. Nice pop and speed, but the K's, oh the K's.....
 

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Great Dealz Rob said:
Thanks for the insight. Since the Cubs were so well represented in this one ;) , what is your take on Brett Jackson? I am interested in your opinion. From what I saw of him last year, he could be a nice fit at the top of the order. Nice pop and speed, but the K's, oh the K's.....

Cal is the closest college team to me -- I live in NorCal. And I usually try to see every potential first rounder who plays around here. But I decided not to go out of my way to see Jackson.

Scouting's something that I'm still relatively new to. Statistics are my comfort zone. And with college guys, there is one measure that I have lot of confidence in: Poor college contact hitters are rarely MLB material.

I had Jackson in the second-round range on my draft board. Even though he has a chance of playing center field -- something I didn't give him a boost for in my rankings -- the Cubs took him higher than I would have. While I probably should have shaken off a little stubborn and made it out to see Jackson play at least once, I highly doubt that he'll be able to be one of the rare exceptions who K a lot in college but still find MLB success.
 

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RandomH said:
Good read.
Thanks!

You're welcome.

I'm kicking myself for not seeing the guy in your signature pitch when he was in Modesto...don't know why I didn't prioritize getting a look at him. Actually, I kind of did. Here it is (taken from the stands a few rows down from him with the camera over my shoulder and the view finder looking my way):
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What are your thoughts on Minor? Does he still project as a back of the rotation guy?
 

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What are your thoughts on Minor? Does he still project as a back of the rotation guy?

I've only seen him once -- AFL last month. He didn't impress me. Some days he doesn't have a swing-and-miss offering. But he's a strike thrower who can come at you with three pitches.

Back when David Price was getting all the hype at Vandy, I looked at their stats page pretty regularly. And it was clear that Minor, even as a freshman, was going to be a pro arm. So I feel like I've been relatively high on Minor for the last three years.

If you're looking for someone who has a chance to be electric or is a good bet to become at least an average big leaguer, there are a lot of better choices than Minor in the minors right now.
 

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AdamF said:
blitzerlover said:
What are your thoughts on Minor? Does he still project as a back of the rotation guy?

I've only seen him once -- AFL last month. He didn't impress me. Some days he doesn't have a swing-and-miss offering. But he's a strike thrower who can come at you with three offerings.

Back when David Price was getting all the hype at Vandy, I looked at their stats page pretty regularly. And it was clear that Minor, even as a freshman, was going to be a pro arm. So I feel like I've been relatively high on Minor for the last three years.

If you're looking for someone who has a chance to be electric or is a good bet to become at least an average big leaguer, there are a lot of better choices than Minor in the minors right now.

Thanks for the write up. I wasn't that happy with the pick of Minor, I wish the Braves would have taken Matzek. Hopefully Minor turns out to be a good pickup.
 

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Wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on Jared Mitchell (even though he was drafted by the other Chicago team). Thanks and welcome to FCB!
 

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gonzagacubs said:
Wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on Jared Mitchell (even though he was drafted by the other Chicago team). Thanks and welcome to FCB!

Thank you for the welcome.

Mitchell is fun because he's patient and he has plus speed and a lot of raw power -- even to the opposite field. People like to point to the fact that he didn't play baseball full-time until this year to try to lessen the concern for his below-average contact rates. I think the amount of assumed progress tends to be exaggerated with him, though. He did not make significant contact improvements from his sophomore (24.7% K) to junior season (22.1% K). And then he went on to strike out in 28.8% of his pro plate appearances (Low-A, 139 PA).

He'll probably improve his strikeout rate, but the fact of the matter is that he's a below-average contact hitter. Expecting to become more than an average contact hitter is wishful thinking -- and even that's a stretch. He also didn't hit lefties well in college or during his pro debut (small sample). Odds are he'll be another toolsy guy who can never figure it out. But he may be a player who can help a team off the bench and piece together some solid stretches.

I want to believe in him. And he'll be able to get away with below-average offense if he can play above-average defense. There's just a lot of progress for him to make.
 

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I see that you mentioned Slade Heathcott as someone you liked. What is it that you like about him? Just curious, being a Yankee fan, I don't know too much about him.
 

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trademhigh said:
I see that you mentioned Slade Heathcott as someone you liked. What is it that you like about him? Just curious, being a Yankee fan, I don't know too much about him.

While there isn't much information available on Heathcott, everything I've seen is positive. I like his athleticism, strength and speed. Jonathan Mayo wrote up a pretty favorable report on Heathcott last March. I think Mayo does outstanding work and I trust the information that he provides.
 

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Adam, great insights, thanks!

Have you seen Mike Trout at all? I've seen a lot of favorable write-ups on him, not only what he can do now but upside too.
 

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