Question about a "trade/sale"

[i43770]

Trader A - posts sell/trade list

Trader B - inquires about a card from the list 4 days later

Trader A - replied within a few hours saying 10 dlvd

Trader B - countered 5 days later asking if Trader A would sell for 8 dlvd

Trader A - sends PM within a few hours saying he accepts and sends Paypal address - no payment is sent

Trader A - sends follow up PM 5 days later asking if Trader B is still interested - no reply

So with the counter offer did Trader B agree to the purchase?

 

[imac220]

Re: Looking for advice on a "trade/sale"

Please PM me who this trader is, so I know to stay away from him.

Thanks

 

[i43770]

Re: Looking for advice on a "trade/sale"

Please PM me who this trader is, so I know to stay away from him.

Thanks

PM sent

 

[moxacaine]

Re: Looking for advice on a "trade/sale"

as far as im concerned thats a confirmed deal. person made an offer and you accepted. i too would like to know this traders ID.

 

[i43770]

Afternoon/evening bump for some more opinions

 

[matfanofold]

I may be old fashoned, but until the 'hand shake' it's not a deal. Clearly 'B' made a offer in which you accepted by sending your paypal info, but I still think it's just shy of a done deal. If I say I'll give you $10 dollars for card X and you respond with a paypal address, I do not look at that as a 'hand shake'. I would like to hear that you have accepted my offer and are willing to accept the deal before I make it 'confirmed' through further and mutual spoken acceptance. That part there is the 'hand shake' in my opinion..

However, this is how I like to do business. I like for both parties to understand the deal, acknowledge it and confirm it as valid. I do not like the idea of sending a paypal address an answer. I feel when one askes for a PP address, they he is ready to buy and not until that time is it confirmed.

 

[hive17]

I'm going to say "No" simpley for the fact that the time that elapsed between trader B's responses showed he's sporadic/semi-interested at best. Knowing this, trader A might want to get a definative "Yes" or "No" from him, instead of just assuming.

Is trader B a little annoying and mis-leading? Yes. Did he say anything to the effect of "Ok, if you're happy, then I'm happy, lets do this"? Not really. I always ask for the PP address if I'm good to go. Just sending it might come off as pushy, but that is just my personal opinion.

 

[i43770]

I may be old fashoned, but until the 'hand shake' it's not a deal. Clearly 'B' made a offer in which you accepted by sending your paypal info, but I still think it's just shy of a done deal. If I say I'll give you $10 dollars for card X and you respond with a paypal address, I do not look at that as a 'hand shake'. I would like to hear that you have accepted my offer and are willing to accept the deal before I make it 'confirmed' through further and mutual spoken acceptance. That part there is the 'hand shake' in my opinion..

I guess I'm imagining this as if it were a transaction on eBay. I have a card listed for $10, someone makes the Best Offer of $8 on it, and I accept it. At what point does the digital "hand shake" happen? In my eyes it is when the buyer makes and offer and it is accepted.

 

[matfanofold]

I may be old fashoned, but until the 'hand shake' it's not a deal. Clearly 'B' made a offer in which you accepted by sending your paypal info, but I still think it's just shy of a done deal. If I say I'll give you $10 dollars for card X and you respond with a paypal address, I do not look at that as a 'hand shake'. I would like to hear that you have accepted my offer and are willing to accept the deal before I make it 'confirmed' through further and mutual spoken acceptance. That part there is the 'hand shake' in my opinion..

I guess I'm imagining this as if it were a transaction on eBay. I have a card listed for $10, someone makes the Best Offer of $8 on it, and I accept it. At what point does the digital "hand shake" happen? In my eyes it is when the buyer makes and offer and it is accepted.

Thats fair, as that is how you see it. But this is not ebay and its a bit more personal. The digital handshake involves the buyer confirming that he accepts the deal and wants to get your payment instructions imho..

 

[i43770]

I may be old fashoned, but until the 'hand shake' it's not a deal. Clearly 'B' made a offer in which you accepted by sending your paypal info, but I still think it's just shy of a done deal. If I say I'll give you $10 dollars for card X and you respond with a paypal address, I do not look at that as a 'hand shake'. I would like to hear that you have accepted my offer and are willing to accept the deal before I make it 'confirmed' through further and mutual spoken acceptance. That part there is the 'hand shake' in my opinion..

I guess I'm imagining this as if it were a transaction on eBay. I have a card listed for $10, someone makes the Best Offer of $8 on it, and I accept it. At what point does the digital "hand shake" happen? In my eyes it is when the buyer makes and offer and it is accepted.

Thats fair, as that is how you see it. But this is not ebay and its a bit more personal. The digital handshake involves the buyer confirming that he accepts the deal and wants to get your payment instructions imho..

True eBay isn't that personal, change what I said from eBay to card show, same principle but more personal. If the buyer makes the proposal of a sale, would that be them putting their hand out for the hand shake? And it would be up to the seller to put his hand out and accept the offer that was proposed to him?

 

[matfanofold]

I may be old fashoned, but until the 'hand shake' it's not a deal. Clearly 'B' made a offer in which you accepted by sending your paypal info, but I still think it's just shy of a done deal. If I say I'll give you $10 dollars for card X and you respond with a paypal address, I do not look at that as a 'hand shake'. I would like to hear that you have accepted my offer and are willing to accept the deal before I make it 'confirmed' through further and mutual spoken acceptance. That part there is the 'hand shake' in my opinion..

I guess I'm imagining this as if it were a transaction on eBay. I have a card listed for $10, someone makes the Best Offer of $8 on it, and I accept it. At what point does the digital "hand shake" happen? In my eyes it is when the buyer makes and offer and it is accepted.

Thats fair, as that is how you see it. But this is not ebay and its a bit more personal. The digital handshake involves the buyer confirming that he accepts the deal and wants to get your payment instructions imho..

True eBay isn't that personal, change what I said from eBay to card show, same principle but more personal. If the buyer makes the proposal of a sale, would that be them putting their hand out for the hand shake? And it would be up to the seller to put his hand out and accept the offer that was proposed to him?

I guess I'm just having a difficult time explaining what I'm thinking.

I just think there should be a mutual acceptance of a offered deal before it becomes confirmed. Weither it be a trade, initial offer or sale.

Here is how I see it..

A: I want $10 for card X.
B: I'll Give you $8 for card X.
A: I'll accept that, if you want I can send you my PP to get the deal done?
B: Sure, that sounds great.
A: Ok, pm on its way, thank you.
B: Thank you!


It's the bolded part above that validates the deal to me. Not just accepting the offer, but accepting and acknowledging the deal first before assuming payment. As I said, this is just the way I like to do things. It has a bit more of a personal touch than a typocal buisness type enviornment like e-bay or a shop or show. This is between 2 collectors on a message board where less formalities and more care should be given.

Ultimately, if you look at the poll results, you'll see how it's less than clear cut. And after all, dont we all want to perfectly clear in intent when selling and trading among friends?