Question about "GU" rookie products the last few years

[ThoseBackPages]

Are any of the cards of rookies with "game used" pieces actually "game used"? or are they all photo shoot stuff?

edit: other than Exquisite

 

[sdsportsfan1214]

I think i remember some National Treasures and SPA auto jerseys that were game used of some guys that werent at the photoshoot

 

[sffanmike25]

Other than the noted exceptions above, you can pretty much assume that everything is photo shoot day worn. Any grass stains are from the Coliseum field.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

argh.

im guessing thats why some of the cards dont command much on eBay.
Thought i'd ask before buying, glad i did.

Thanks Fellas

 

[Slette]

Cool to see new faces contributing positively from the other boards here!

 

[rehmus]

ive been wanting to know this, too. is exquisite really the only true GU product?

 

[ThoseBackPages]

Cool to see new faces contributing positively from the other boards here!

Thanks!

ive been out of football (cards and the sport as a whole really) since 1995
LOTS of learning to catchup on! lol

 

[Gellman]

There are zero game used jerseys included for rookies in any rookie year product, even SPA, National Treasures and Exquisite. Most of the rookies who participate in the rookie premiere dont get on the field, or get on the field very rarely, so jerseys are limited. Definitely not enough for all three companies. Therefore, to help quell demand, the companies use event used stuff in EVERY product. It sucks, but it is necessary to provide the products we are used to.

Oh, and those cards in NT this year are still from the photo shoot, despite wording on the cards.

 

[Card Magnet]

Cool to see new faces contributing positively from the other boards here!

Thanks!

ive been out of football (cards and the sport as a whole really) since 1995
LOTS of learning to catchup on! lol

You're in the right spot to dive back in. There's some good people here.

As said above, just about everything is event worn in rookie products. I can't think of a single one with game used during the rookie year. If you want a rookie year worn jersey card, you're going to have to get a game used card from their second season.

 

[wheeler281]

There are zero game used jerseys included for rookies in any rookie year product, even SPA, National Treasures and Exquisite. Most of the rookies who participate in the rookie premiere dont get on the field, or get on the field very rarely, so jerseys are limited. Definitely not enough for all three companies. Therefore, to help quell demand, the companies use event used stuff in EVERY product. It sucks, but it is necessary to provide the products we are used to.

Oh, and those cards in NT this year are still from the photo shoot, despite wording on the cards.

Gellman in 2006 treasures had game worn material from a few rookies like Holmes, AJ Hawk and a couple others they were able to get their hands on. It was quite burdensome that is when they changed it over for good.

A good article for any new guys I was quoted in back 2001 about event worns when they really started taking off just before the TV spot

http://a.espncdn.com/sportsbusiness/s/2 ... 79655.html

I should upload the outside the lines report on ESPN where I was interviewed on the topic with Jeremy Schapp then CEO William Dulley of Donruss and some guy that sued topps. It was great piece and had a good 15-20 minutes on air about the issue and predicting the 1st ever game worn Ruth card value..

 

[mstng99tim]

I would love to see the video Wheels, upload that bad boy!!!

 

[Gellman]

There are zero game used jerseys included for rookies in any rookie year product, even SPA, National Treasures and Exquisite. Most of the rookies who participate in the rookie premiere dont get on the field, or get on the field very rarely, so jerseys are limited. Definitely not enough for all three companies. Therefore, to help quell demand, the companies use event used stuff in EVERY product. It sucks, but it is necessary to provide the products we are used to.

Oh, and those cards in NT this year are still from the photo shoot, despite wording on the cards.

Gellman in 2006 treasures had game worn material from a few rookies like Holmes, AJ Hawk and a couple others they were able to get their hands on. It was quite burdensome that is when they changed it over for good.

A good article for any new guys I was quoted in back 2001 about event worns when they really started taking off just before the TV spot

http://a.espncdn.com/sportsbusiness/s/2 ... 79655.html

I should upload the outside the lines report on ESPN where I was interviewed on the topic with Jeremy Schapp then CEO William Dulley of Donruss and some guy that sued topps. It was great piece and had a good 15-20 minutes on air about the issue and predicting the 1st ever game worn Ruth card value..

I think I saw that they were game used back in 2006 for SELECT players, but as you said, it sucks now that they have switched completely. According to a few conversations I had with two of the three companies, they dont even try any more because they dont need to. If you noticed, this past year, it was the first time Panini and UD didnt put EVENT USED on the front of the card. That is totally stupid to confuse people like that.

 

[rymflaherty]

I'm really skeptical on those - they have them wear so many of those jersey's at the RP, I wouldn't be surprised if their still using them for 2nd or 3rd year cards. Like others said, I do recall a handful of sets using rookie jersey's - so you really just have to look at the wording on the back of the card and then trust the company.

I disagree though with whomever said "that is why they aren't worth much". I think people just accept this to some extent to this point and I don't know if there would be a huge premium if it was a small plain game-used swatch.
IMO the low price on most of those is simply the over-production and decline in value of any such card. A small single color swatch is usually $1-5 type card whether event or game used.
If it was really an issue you wouldn't see people pay good money for event used tags, nice patches, etc.

 

[Gellman]

I'm really skeptical on those - they have them wear so many of those jersey's at the RP, I wouldn't be surprised if their still using them for 2nd or 3rd year cards. Like others said, I do recall a handful of sets using rookie jersey's - so you really just have to look at the wording on the back of the card and then trust the company.

I disagree though with whomever said "that is why they aren't worth much". I think people just accept this to some extent to this point and I don't know if there would be a huge premium if it was a small plain game-used swatch.
IMO the low price on most of those is simply the over-production and decline in value of any such card. A small single color swatch is usually $1-5 type card whether event or game used.
If it was really an issue you wouldn't see people pay good money for event used tags, nice patches, etc.

Well, remember, for 2nd year cards they usually only need one or two jerseys for the entire year's run, and half the premiere players arent worth a second year card, unless you are Panini and trying to fill out your Prestige set.

 

[tribefan2427]

Yep it drives me nuts. I will never get a game used card of Yamon Figurs unless he comes out of no were and becomes decent. Because everything is event worn.

 

[rymflaherty]

I'm really skeptical on those - they have them wear so many of those jersey's at the RP, I wouldn't be surprised if their still using them for 2nd or 3rd year cards. Like others said, I do recall a handful of sets using rookie jersey's - so you really just have to look at the wording on the back of the card and then trust the company.

I disagree though with whomever said "that is why they aren't worth much". I think people just accept this to some extent to this point and I don't know if there would be a huge premium if it was a small plain game-used swatch.
IMO the low price on most of those is simply the over-production and decline in value of any such card. A small single color swatch is usually $1-5 type card whether event or game used.
If it was really an issue you wouldn't see people pay good money for event used tags, nice patches, etc.

Well, remember, for 2nd year cards they usually only need one or two jerseys for the entire year's run, and half the premiere players arent worth a second year card, unless you are Panini and trying to fill out your Prestige set.

Made me go and check out a Ted Ginn second year Prestige jersey card I have and it was an event used card. :lol:

I think basketball was the worst though with re-using rookie year stuff. Quite a few high end UD products that made you say WTF. When players like Hilton Armstrong averaging 3.0 ppg have sticker autographed cards in high end products 2-3 years later. And to be fair - Topps had a few sticker dump products like that too. So at least football is not that bad in that regard.

 

[14tahunts]

National Treasures can have gu, theirs comes out late, topps and ud cant

 

[Gellman]

National Treasures can have gu, theirs comes out late, topps and ud cant

As far back as the beginning rookie premiere, it has been rare that Game used stuff even makes it into any product. 2006 was the last year game used stuff was used for the rookies, since then it has been 100% event used. Please stop confusing people, as this thread has detailed just about every answer to this topic.

 

[Card Magnet]

I'm really skeptical on those - they have them wear so many of those jersey's at the RP, I wouldn't be surprised if their still using them for 2nd or 3rd year cards. Like others said, I do recall a handful of sets using rookie jersey's - so you really just have to look at the wording on the back of the card and then trust the company.

I disagree though with whomever said "that is why they aren't worth much". I think people just accept this to some extent to this point and I don't know if there would be a huge premium if it was a small plain game-used swatch.
IMO the low price on most of those is simply the over-production and decline in value of any such card. A small single color swatch is usually $1-5 type card whether event or game used.
If it was really an issue you wouldn't see people pay good money for event used tags, nice patches, etc.

Well, remember, for 2nd year cards they usually only need one or two jerseys for the entire year's run, and half the premiere players arent worth a second year card, unless you are Panini and trying to fill out your Prestige set.

Made me go and check out a Ted Ginn second year Prestige jersey card I have and it was an event used card. :lol:

Sinorice Moss had a card in that Prestige set as well with the event worn jersey from the Premiere. These cards were called "rookie rewind", and it was a way for the company to dump the scraps of leftover Premiere jerseys. Nore was drafted in 06, so this was a card made after two full seasons in the NFL. Upper Deck also did the same thing in 08 by having him in their "SP Rookie Threads Flashback".

So in 2007 (his second year), there were cards with game worn swatches. In 2008 (year three), he only had two cards, which had swatches of Rookie Premiere jersey and no other cards including base from any release from any company.

Now 2009 (his 4th year, and long after any hope of him breaking out as a starting WR) comes along, and he has game worn cards again.

In fact, he made it into LCM FOTG, Playoff AM Team Quads, and UD Game Day Jerseys. He didn't have a single base card in any release by any company (not even Score), and as much as it pains me to say, all hope of him breaking out is long gone after injuries and lack of playing time. If I were a Giants fan (and not a Nore collector/fan), and I pulled this quad, I'd be a little pissed they didn't put somebody who actually starts on the card as the #4 swatch. Other than those three cards, he had nothing, including base from any release by any company, for 2009.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ranting in this case. I love me some Nore jersey cards! I hope Panini still has a couple of Nore game worn jerseys and sticker autos laying around for 2010.