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BowmanChromeAddict said:
What Allen Iverson did last season was quitting. Ending your professional career at the end of a season with no intention of returning is retiring.


The Pistons didn't want him on the team, Iverson wanted to be on the court, far from quitting.
 

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Barry Sanders and Tiki Barber RETIRED, they did not quit. Quitting would be more like the example of Manny who just flat out quit on his team and didnt care. Another one that comes to mind is Scottie Pippen's refusal to return to the court with 1.8 seconds left in the game when it was decided Toni Kukoc would take the last shot instead of him.

Here are some others....
Rickey Williams goes on sabatical 2 Days into camp with the Dolphins
Any of John Daley's Games where he just walks off the course



Also, if you are going to say Barry Sanders and Tiki Barber are quitters...then you certainly have to say Jim Brown and Sandy Koufax.....


TK
 

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ProspectorsAdvantage said:
BowmanChromeAddict said:
What Allen Iverson did last season was quitting. Ending your professional career at the end of a season with no intention of returning is retiring.


The Pistons didn't want him on the team, Iverson wanted to be on the court, far from quitting.


agreed. AI is no quitter, the Pistons benched him.
 

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pujolsthomefan33 said:
Barry Sanders and Tiki Barber RETIRED, they did not quit. Quitting would be more like the example of Manny who just flat out quit on his team and didnt care. Another one that comes to mind is Scottie Pippen's refusal to return to the court with 1.8 seconds left in the game when it was decided Toni Kukoc would take the last shot instead of him.

Here are some others....
Rickey Williams goes on sabatical 2 Days into camp with the Dolphins
Any of John Daley's Games where he just walks off the course



Also, if you are going to say Barry Sanders and Tiki Barber are quitters...then you certainly have to say Jim Brown and Sandy Koufax.....


TK

Thank you jeesh finally some one understands
 

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uniquebaseballcards said:
Could Michael Jordan be thought of as a quitter??


The first time, sure. He "quit" basketball to play baseball then came back.
 

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uniquebaseballcards said:
Could Michael Jordan be thought of as a quitter??


I am not so sure you can call him that.....didnt he RETIRE from basketball to pursue his childhood dream of playing baseball.......and he did play baseball, only to find out he needed basketball back--hence the return....

I dont think Jordan ever really QUIT, and he certainly never quit on his team or himself when he was playing.

TK
 

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uniquebaseballcards said:
Could Michael Jordan be thought of as a quitter??

The definition of the word quitter that everyone is using in this forum is someone who gives up because it was too tuff. I don't think basketball was "too tuff" for Michael Jordan.
 

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bballcardkid said:
uniquebaseballcards said:
Could Michael Jordan be thought of as a quitter??

The definition of the word quitter that everyone is using in this forum is someone who gives up because it was too tuff. I don't think basketball was "too tuff" for Michael Jordan.
But baseball was...
 

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barry sanders is a QUITTER...he retired at the top of the game but the fact of the matter is he still had at least 5 years left to play at that exact same level....he didnt want to play on the lions plain and simple so he quit.

Just because he had time in him didnt mean he quit this is like saying Joe Montana quit Steve young quit Jerry rice quit emmit smith quit walter peyton quit did all those guys quit too?

no those guys all retired, they were to the point of not having the same skills as in there prime...barry did have the same skills and i know most people like to say he retired so he wouldnt be all beat up when he was older which i totally would understand....but he wanted to still play, just not for the lions
 

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KOBEARODLT said:
Daltonb1219 said:
KOBEARODLT said:
barry sanders is a QUITTER...he retired at the top of the game but the fact of the matter is he still had at least 5 years left to play at that exact same level....he didnt want to play on the lions plain and simple so he quit.

Just because he had time in him didnt mean he quit this is like saying Joe Montana quit Steve young quit Jerry rice quit emmit smith quit walter peyton quit did all those guys quit too?

no those guys all retired, they were to the point of not having the same skills as in there prime...barry did have the same skills and i know most people like to say he retired so he wouldnt be all beat up when he was older which i totally would understand....but he wanted to still play, just not for the lions

I understand where you are coming from on your point of view....but I still just dont see it as Barry Quit. He was the 3rd NFL All-Time rusher and in his words did not have the will, drive, or toughness to continue to chase Walter Payton's record when it did not mean that much to him. He said the Lions were not committed to winning and that he felt it better to retire than to try and keep grinding it out on something that was not important anymore to him.

The same can be said for Jim Brown who basically did the same thing at age 30 after 9 years in the NFL....

Fact is really, the average NFL career for an NFL running back is far less than either Barry or Jim Brown played, so I guess that is why I dont really think of them as quitting and more so as retiring......

I think if Barry had done what he did for like 2-3 years and then decided he just didnt want to play for the lions and he retired, with that short of a span I would say then he quit.


TK
 

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Quit/retired in sports nets the same result. The connotation of the two words is what's at the heart of this (pointless) discussion.
 

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pujolsthomefan33 said:
KOBEARODLT said:
Daltonb1219 said:
KOBEARODLT said:
barry sanders is a QUITTER...he retired at the top of the game but the fact of the matter is he still had at least 5 years left to play at that exact same level....he didnt want to play on the lions plain and simple so he quit.

Just because he had time in him didnt mean he quit this is like saying Joe Montana quit Steve young quit Jerry rice quit emmit smith quit walter peyton quit did all those guys quit too?

no those guys all retired, they were to the point of not having the same skills as in there prime...barry did have the same skills and i know most people like to say he retired so he wouldnt be all beat up when he was older which i totally would understand....but he wanted to still play, just not for the lions

I understand where you are coming from on your point of view....but I still just dont see it as Barry Quit. He was the 3rd NFL All-Time rusher and in his words did not have the will, drive, or toughness to continue to chase Walter Payton's record when it did not mean that much to him. He said the Lions were not committed to winning and that he felt it better to retire than to try and keep grinding it out on something that was not important anymore to him.

The same can be said for Jim Brown who basically did the same thing at age 30 after 9 years in the NFL....

Fact is really, the average NFL career for an NFL running back is far less than either Barry or Jim Brown played, so I guess that is why I dont really think of them as quitting and more so as retiring......

I think if Barry had done what he did for like 2-3 years and then decided he just didnt want to play for the lions and he retired, with that short of a span I would say then he quit.


TK

but did jim brown want to play somewere else or did he just lose the will to play?
 

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A_Pharis said:
Did I miss something? What brought this on?

I quit because I decided to do a complete 180 with my life. Going from business back to school to get into Physical Therapy. No more cards for me!
 

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KOBEARODLT said:
pujolsthomefan33 said:
KOBEARODLT said:
Daltonb1219 said:
KOBEARODLT said:
barry sanders is a QUITTER...he retired at the top of the game but the fact of the matter is he still had at least 5 years left to play at that exact same level....he didnt want to play on the lions plain and simple so he quit.

Just because he had time in him didnt mean he quit this is like saying Joe Montana quit Steve young quit Jerry rice quit emmit smith quit walter peyton quit did all those guys quit too?

no those guys all retired, they were to the point of not having the same skills as in there prime...barry did have the same skills and i know most people like to say he retired so he wouldnt be all beat up when he was older which i totally would understand....but he wanted to still play, just not for the lions

I understand where you are coming from on your point of view....but I still just dont see it as Barry Quit. He was the 3rd NFL All-Time rusher and in his words did not have the will, drive, or toughness to continue to chase Walter Payton's record when it did not mean that much to him. He said the Lions were not committed to winning and that he felt it better to retire than to try and keep grinding it out on something that was not important anymore to him.

The same can be said for Jim Brown who basically did the same thing at age 30 after 9 years in the NFL....

Fact is really, the average NFL career for an NFL running back is far less than either Barry or Jim Brown played, so I guess that is why I dont really think of them as quitting and more so as retiring......

I think if Barry had done what he did for like 2-3 years and then decided he just didnt want to play for the lions and he retired, with that short of a span I would say then he quit.


TK

but did jim brown want to play somewere else or did he just lose the will to play?

Barry never said he "wanted to play somewere else" he just said the lions arent the right team pretty much an retired
 

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Daltonb1219 said:
KOBEARODLT said:
pujolsthomefan33 said:
KOBEARODLT said:
Daltonb1219 said:
[quote="KOBEARODLT":155i5dda]barry sanders is a QUITTER...he retired at the top of the game but the fact of the matter is he still had at least 5 years left to play at that exact same level....he didnt want to play on the lions plain and simple so he quit.

Just because he had time in him didnt mean he quit this is like saying Joe Montana quit Steve young quit Jerry rice quit emmit smith quit walter peyton quit did all those guys quit too?

no those guys all retired, they were to the point of not having the same skills as in there prime...barry did have the same skills and i know most people like to say he retired so he wouldnt be all beat up when he was older which i totally would understand....but he wanted to still play, just not for the lions

I understand where you are coming from on your point of view....but I still just dont see it as Barry Quit. He was the 3rd NFL All-Time rusher and in his words did not have the will, drive, or toughness to continue to chase Walter Payton's record when it did not mean that much to him. He said the Lions were not committed to winning and that he felt it better to retire than to try and keep grinding it out on something that was not important anymore to him.

The same can be said for Jim Brown who basically did the same thing at age 30 after 9 years in the NFL....

Fact is really, the average NFL career for an NFL running back is far less than either Barry or Jim Brown played, so I guess that is why I dont really think of them as quitting and more so as retiring......

I think if Barry had done what he did for like 2-3 years and then decided he just didnt want to play for the lions and he retired, with that short of a span I would say then he quit.


TK

but did jim brown want to play somewere else or did he just lose the will to play?

Barry never said he "wanted to play somewere else" he just said the lions arent the right team pretty much an retired[/quote:155i5dda]

I remember the Lions not willing to let him out of his contract. So he decided to retire instead.
 

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Daltonb1219 said:
KOBEARODLT said:
pujolsthomefan33 said:
KOBEARODLT said:
Daltonb1219 said:
[quote="KOBEARODLT":3qvkj5wk]barry sanders is a QUITTER...he retired at the top of the game but the fact of the matter is he still had at least 5 years left to play at that exact same level....he didnt want to play on the lions plain and simple so he quit.

Just because he had time in him didnt mean he quit this is like saying Joe Montana quit Steve young quit Jerry rice quit emmit smith quit walter peyton quit did all those guys quit too?

no those guys all retired, they were to the point of not having the same skills as in there prime...barry did have the same skills and i know most people like to say he retired so he wouldnt be all beat up when he was older which i totally would understand....but he wanted to still play, just not for the lions

I understand where you are coming from on your point of view....but I still just dont see it as Barry Quit. He was the 3rd NFL All-Time rusher and in his words did not have the will, drive, or toughness to continue to chase Walter Payton's record when it did not mean that much to him. He said the Lions were not committed to winning and that he felt it better to retire than to try and keep grinding it out on something that was not important anymore to him.

The same can be said for Jim Brown who basically did the same thing at age 30 after 9 years in the NFL....

Fact is really, the average NFL career for an NFL running back is far less than either Barry or Jim Brown played, so I guess that is why I dont really think of them as quitting and more so as retiring......

I think if Barry had done what he did for like 2-3 years and then decided he just didnt want to play for the lions and he retired, with that short of a span I would say then he quit.


TK

but did jim brown want to play somewere else or did he just lose the will to play?

Barry never said he "wanted to play somewere else" he just said the lions arent the right team pretty much an retired[/quote:3qvkj5wk]

actually he tried the whole year to get the lions to get rid of him so he could play somewere else, if i remember correctly miami was going after him hard.
 

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