Rajon Rondo's statline the last 5 games is just sick

[nikateen]

Still scary to think Rondo is only 22. His statline the last 5 games:

11.8 points
12.0 assists
9.2 rebounds
1.6 steals

Just nasty numbers

 

[AKA Coastal]

Still scary to think Rondo is only 22. His statline the last 5 games:

11.8 points
12.0 assists
9.2 rebounds
1.6 steals

Just nasty numbers

Damn, almost averaging a triple/double.

 

[nikateen]

I am happy with the package the Wolves got for Garnett, but they should have demanded Rondo in the deal. If Rondo develops a consistent jumpshot, he will be a superstar.

 

[Kutzy]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

 

[nikateen]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

I hear you, but lets remember the only knock on Rondo is his jumpshot. Don't forget he also plays TREMENDOUS defense.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I am happy with the package the Wolves got for Garnett, but they should have demanded Rondo in the deal. If Rondo develops a consistent jumpshot, he will be a superstar.

If the Wolves demanded Rondo the trade doesn't happen. Ainge specifically said Rondo would not be traded. He hated to see big Al go, but no way both go.

 

[nikateen]

I am happy with the package the Wolves got for Garnett, but they should have demanded Rondo in the deal. If Rondo develops a consistent jumpshot, he will be a superstar.

If the Wolves demanded Rondo the trade doesn't happen. Ainge specifically said Rondo would not be traded. He hated to see big Al go, but no way both go.

I don't care what the reports say, By no means would Rondo have been a deal breaker in the summer of 2007 for Kevin Garnett. If the Wolves would have let them keep Gomes and their 2 1st round picks, I am sure they could have found a way to get Rondo in the deal.

Wolves could have held out and gotten Ainge to blink.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

hater

I don't know how much you've seen him play, but the numbers alone don't tell the story with Rondo. It's how he plays the game as much as the numbers that make him great.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I am happy with the package the Wolves got for Garnett, but they should have demanded Rondo in the deal. If Rondo develops a consistent jumpshot, he will be a superstar.

If the Wolves demanded Rondo the trade doesn't happen. Ainge specifically said Rondo would not be traded. He hated to see big Al go, but no way both go.

I don't care what the reports say, By no means would Rondo have been a deal breaker in the summer of 2007 for Kevin Garnett. If the Wolves would have let them keep Gomes and their 2 1st round picks, I am sure they could have found a way to get Rondo in the deal.

Wolves could have held out and gotten Ainge to blink.

Nope, not a chance. We'll have to agree to disagree. No way Ainge gives up a promising point guard (with no better options on the team) and a younger/cheaper Kevin Garnett for Kevin Garnett.

 

[ee10]

"I don't know how much you've seen him play, but the numbers alone don't tell the story with Rondo. It's how he plays the game as much as the numbers that make him great."

+1...he is very mature for a 22 year old. He controls the game as well as any other guard in the league. When the Celtics lose, it's usually because he didn't play well. I can understand thoughts that the Big 3 make him, but I do not think that's the case. If he isn't around those guys, his assists may come down a bit, but I would wager that his point totals would be closer to 18 PPG or so & there aren't many PGs with his rebounding skill.

 

[Kutzy]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

hater

I don't know how much you've seen him play, but the numbers alone don't tell the story with Rondo. It's how he plays the game as much as the numbers that make him great.

Without Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce would be still be the same player? I honestly dont see him being close to an all-star without them. There is just little to no pressure on him. He is the 4th option on the team and he has vets who are there to pick him up at all times. This will help him immensely even when they are retired. Having said that, I just dont see him as being the elite player. There is a 99% chance I am wrong though.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

hater

I don't know how much you've seen him play, but the numbers alone don't tell the story with Rondo. It's how he plays the game as much as the numbers that make him great.

Without Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce would be still be the same player? I honestly dont see him being close to an all-star without them. There is just little to no pressure on him. He is the 4th option on the team and he has vets who are there to pick him up at all times. This will help him immensely even when they are retired. Having said that, I just dont see him as being the elite player. There is a 99% chance I am wrong though.

That's a pretty common argument in sports. Whether it's "can Brady do it without the system" or "is Nash only good because of the teams around him." It's hard to say what Rondo would do without the big 3. He's never going to put points on the board like Harris, Williams, or Paul. If you do take away some of the stars on the Celtics then obviously his scoring goes up a bit (maybe 11 ppg to 16 ppg). He isn't a great shooter but he only takes shots he can hit (.503%). His defense and rebounding aren't changing (2 spg and 5.4 rpg). Maybe his assists take a hit (8.5 to maybe 6.5).

So that gives us a point guard that offers 16/5.5/6.5/2 with a shooting percentage close to .500. Maybe not an all-star because he isn't flashy or doesn't put up 20ppg, but that looks like an elite point guard to me.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

agree, teams dare him to shoot an outside shot and he wont because he cant.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

agree, teams dare him to shoot an outside shot and he wont because he cant.

I guess the question is what creates a great point guard. I don't think point guards have to be dominant scorers to be great. If all the "anti-Rondo" camp is saying is that he will never drop 25 ppg then I agree fully. If you guys are saying he isn't one of the best point guards in the league then I'll disagree with that all day.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

agree, teams dare him to shoot an outside shot and he wont because he cant.

I guess the question is what creates a great point guard. I don't think point guards have to be dominant scorers to be great. If all the "anti-Rondo" camp is saying is that he will never drop 25 ppg then I agree fully. If you guys are saying he isn't one of the best point guards in the league then I'll disagree with that all day.

i definately agree with you on that, he does create alot for his teamates..i guess i would just like to see him improve his shooting which one day he might considering how young he is.

 

[Kutzy]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

agree, teams dare him to shoot an outside shot and he wont because he cant.

I guess the question is what creates a great point guard. I don't think point guards have to be dominant scorers to be great. If all the "anti-Rondo" camp is saying is that he will never drop 25 ppg then I agree fully. If you guys are saying he isn't one of the best point guards in the league then I'll disagree with that all day.

The best PG (in my mind) ever is John Stockton. He was a pass first player who played Excellent defense. In my mind these are the 2 things you need to be an elite PG. What set him beyond everyone else though was his ability to hit the open jumper from anywhere when they backed off of him. This is something Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Steve Nash can do consistantly. Stockton never scored more than 17.2 PPG in his career, this is a good go-to in my mind. I think the average of points per assist is somewhere near 2.3 points. Adjusting Stocktons greatest numbers in a season (17.2 points and 14.5 Assists (89-90)) He was directly accountable for over 50 points per game. This is what I want a PG to do, not to actually SCORE 50, but be accountable for 40+.

Chris Paul 07-08 21.1 Points and 11.6 Assists was almost an adjsted 48 points per game. Deron Williams 07-08 was 18.8 points and 10.5 Assists with an adjusted number around 43. This is elite in my opinion. I would like their 3 point shooting to be better than the current ~35-37% but its much better than Rondo's ~25%.

 

[MattinglyAlexander]

 

[Old Kentucky Shark]

The knock on Rondo has always been his jump shot. At UK he played LOCK-DOWN defense and was actually among the team leaders in rebounds per game. (BTW, it would have been fun to have watched him play at UK with a coach who enjoyed offense.)

The reason his shot hasn't come around is his hands. His hands are HUGE for a guy with his frame and they actually get the way of his shot. You can kind of see it here:

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

agree, teams dare him to shoot an outside shot and he wont because he cant.

I guess the question is what creates a great point guard. I don't think point guards have to be dominant scorers to be great. If all the "anti-Rondo" camp is saying is that he will never drop 25 ppg then I agree fully. If you guys are saying he isn't one of the best point guards in the league then I'll disagree with that all day.

The best PG (in my mind) ever is John Stockton. He was a pass first player who played Excellent defense. In my mind these are the 2 things you need to be an elite PG. What set him beyond everyone else though was his ability to hit the open jumper from anywhere when they backed off of him. This is something Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Steve Nash can do consistantly. Stockton never scored more than 17.2 PPG in his career, this is a good go-to in my mind. I think the average of points per assist is somewhere near 2.3 points. Adjusting Stocktons greatest numbers in a season (17.2 points and 14.5 Assists (89-90)) He was directly accountable for over 50 points per game. This is what I want a PG to do, not to actually SCORE 50, but be accountable for 40+.

Chris Paul 07-08 21.1 Points and 11.6 Assists was almost an adjsted 48 points per game. Deron Williams 07-08 was 18.8 points and 10.5 Assists with an adjusted number around 43. This is elite in my opinion. I would like their 3 point shooting to be better than the current ~35-37% but its much better than Rondo's ~25%.

I agree Stockton is the best ever. I actually had to debate someone that thought Stockton was the most overrated player of all time (how ridiculous is that???). Obviously Rondo can't even carry Stockton's tiny shorts, but very few can. I'm also going to admit that Paul and Williams are better than Rondo. I think after those two he's near the top of the next tier of point guards. I also don't think Rondo's 3 point % really matters because he only averages .6 3 point attempts per game and knocks down 30%, not 25%.

 

[Kutzy]

Call me a hater, but I still dont see it in this kid. I want to see how he would perform without so much help. I refer to the Lamar Odom effect.

agree, teams dare him to shoot an outside shot and he wont because he cant.

I guess the question is what creates a great point guard. I don't think point guards have to be dominant scorers to be great. If all the "anti-Rondo" camp is saying is that he will never drop 25 ppg then I agree fully. If you guys are saying he isn't one of the best point guards in the league then I'll disagree with that all day.

The best PG (in my mind) ever is John Stockton. He was a pass first player who played Excellent defense. In my mind these are the 2 things you need to be an elite PG. What set him beyond everyone else though was his ability to hit the open jumper from anywhere when they backed off of him. This is something Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Steve Nash can do consistantly. Stockton never scored more than 17.2 PPG in his career, this is a good go-to in my mind. I think the average of points per assist is somewhere near 2.3 points. Adjusting Stocktons greatest numbers in a season (17.2 points and 14.5 Assists (89-90)) He was directly accountable for over 50 points per game. This is what I want a PG to do, not to actually SCORE 50, but be accountable for 40+.

Chris Paul 07-08 21.1 Points and 11.6 Assists was almost an adjsted 48 points per game. Deron Williams 07-08 was 18.8 points and 10.5 Assists with an adjusted number around 43. This is elite in my opinion. I would like their 3 point shooting to be better than the current ~35-37% but its much better than Rondo's ~25%.

I agree Stockton is the best ever. I actually had to debate someone that thought Stockton was the most overrated player of all time (how ridiculous is that???). Obviously Rondo can't even carry Stockton's tiny shorts, but very few can. I'm also going to admit that Paul and Williams are better than Rondo. I think after those two he's near the top of the next tier of point guards. I also don't think Rondo's 3 point % really matters because he only averages .6 3 point attempts per game and knocks down 30%, not 25%.

He is a career 25% shooter, nearly 31% this season. But that is a stat you gotta look at for point guards. The ability to hit the open shot when presented to him. Rondo usually passes up those open shots.