"Rare" 90s inserts

[HawaiianLance]

Bags & Griffey went for $8.27

[ebay:2sk900s8]110399587129[/ebay:2sk900s8]

After looking at that auction, these things came to mind:

Some possible scenarios:

Straight Shill. But that doesn't quite make sense. A shill's "job" is to drive up to the price where his partner is comfortable raking in the fish. But NOT to the point where the fish gets off the hook, which is what that final auction price would suggest.

Shill-For-Second-Chance-Offer Scam. Possibly.

Set Collector. But that seems unlikely. As you noted yourself, the Griffey should command the top dollar by virtue of his legion of fans.

Hype Buyer. What I understand drives the prospecting market. Admittedly, for a veteran player who hasn't played in '09, a surprise. Although not unprecedented. Same thing happened to Ripken cards as there was a huge burst of activity following his retirement.

Pent Up Demand. Lack of quality cards in 2009. Collectors sitting on tidy sums waiting for something 'nice' to pop. Possibly.

Finally...

If it is a Thomas Collector, he's probably new. New guys tend (usually) to go nuts when they first get to eBay. I recall one collector who did that very thing: Arrived crushing every auction with a fresh credit card or some serious, albeit temporary, liquidity. If that's the case - it'll be crazy for a while (sellers take note) and then dry up as he hits his credit limit or runs out of cash.

I would've discounted this as a possibility as recently as last month. But Cobra29svt's research has suggested that are at least a couple of new players in the Big Hurt Club.

 

[predatorkj]

Bags & Griffey went for $8.27

[ebay:2t4jnrtz]110399587129[/ebay:2t4jnrtz]

After looking at that auction, these things came to mind:

Some possible scenarios:

Straight Shill. But that doesn't quite make sense. A shill's "job" is to drive up to the price where his partner is comfortable raking in the fish. But NOT to the point where the fish gets off the hook, which is what that final auction price would suggest.

Shill-For-Second-Chance-Offer Scam. Possibly.

Set Collector. But that seems unlikely. As you noted yourself, the Griffey should command the top dollar by virtue of his legion of fans.

Hype Buyer. What I understand drives the prospecting market. Admittedly, for a veteran player who hasn't played in '09, a surprise. Although not unprecedented. Same thing happened to Ripken cards as there was a huge burst of activity following his retirement.

Pent Up Demand. Lack of quality cards in 2009. Collectors sitting on tidy sums waiting for something 'nice' to pop. Possibly.

Finally...

If it is a Thomas Collector, he's probably new. New guys tend (usually) to go nuts when they first get to eBay. I recall one collector who did that very thing: Arrived crushing every auction with a fresh credit card or some serious, albeit temporary, liquidity. If that's the case - it'll be crazy for a while (sellers take note) and then dry up as he hits his credit limit or runs out of cash.

I would've discounted this as a possibility as recently as last month. But Cobra29svt's research has suggested that are at least a couple of new players in the Big Hurt Club.

I can't even see the auction.What did it go for?

As far as new guys...yeah...I was that way too.Now I pick and choose but I also do a lot of dealing outside of ebay so my collection wasn't built on ebay alone.There do seem to be some new players in the running for Bagwell cards though with the coded user names I can't tell.Maybe n1astros1 can shed some light on who they are.It just doesn't seem like the same old couple of guys.You can also tell too as it seems that they always put in a bid right after its been listed while me and a few other guys seem to try to snipe it.Not sure I understand why you would want to bid early unless you aren't going to be able to get a bid in but if that's the case have somebody do a snipe or set one up yourself.But when I was new I did it a few times too so that is why I feel they are newbies.Or maybe they just don't care and figure if they win it for the price they want then they win it.If not then they don't.But at some of the prices I have won a few of these Bagwells at...it also leads me to believe that its not the big fish competing as much as the newer ones.The bids are less than they would normally be leading me to believe that the bidders don't know just how hard the card is to obtain and the big fish who do know aren't bidding, otherwise it would be more $$$.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

cool. from what I see the condition in general stays very nice on these cards. you should be able to 9.5 with ease
maybe when I get all 100 of the greens I will do a mass-grade..

arent there more than 100 if you include the rookie crusades?

1998 there is 130 not counting the protos, rookie crusades were like a 2001 thing i believe

do you know where I can find the checklist? Ive only seen one to 100 which must have got cut off or something. .. because this would explain the numbering Ive been running into.


and about the protos.. how do we know for sure what # were released of each guy? can that ever be an official thing? dont think Im ever going to try for a proto as it just makes it that more impossible.

 

[Jack Straw]

Bags & Griffey went for $8.27

[ebay:2h5f5v0w]110399587129[/ebay:2h5f5v0w]

After looking at that auction, these things came to mind:

Some possible scenarios:

Straight Shill. But that doesn't quite make sense. A shill's "job" is to drive up to the price where his partner is comfortable raking in the fish. But NOT to the point where the fish gets off the hook, which is what that final auction price would suggest.

Shill-For-Second-Chance-Offer Scam. Possibly.

Set Collector. But that seems unlikely. As you noted yourself, the Griffey should command the top dollar by virtue of his legion of fans.

Hype Buyer. What I understand drives the prospecting market. Admittedly, for a veteran player who hasn't played in '09, a surprise. Although not unprecedented. Same thing happened to Ripken cards as there was a huge burst of activity following his retirement.

Pent Up Demand. Lack of quality cards in 2009. Collectors sitting on tidy sums waiting for something 'nice' to pop. Possibly.

Finally...

If it is a Thomas Collector, he's probably new. New guys tend (usually) to go nuts when they first get to eBay. I recall one collector who did that very thing: Arrived crushing every auction with a fresh credit card or some serious, albeit temporary, liquidity. If that's the case - it'll be crazy for a while (sellers take note) and then dry up as he hits his credit limit or runs out of cash.

I would've discounted this as a possibility as recently as last month. But Cobra29svt's research has suggested that are at least a couple of new players in the Big Hurt Club.

I can't even see the auction.What did it go for?

As far as new guys...yeah...I was that way too.Now I pick and choose but I also do a lot of dealing outside of ebay so my collection wasn't built on ebay alone.There do seem to be some new players in the running for Bagwell cards though with the coded user names I can't tell.Maybe n1astros1 can shed some light on who they are.It just doesn't seem like the same old couple of guys.You can also tell too as it seems that they always put in a bid right after its been listed while me and a few other guys seem to try to snipe it.Not sure I understand why you would want to bid early unless you aren't going to be able to get a bid in but if that's the case have somebody do a snipe or set one up yourself.But when I was new I did it a few times too so that is why I feel they are newbies.Or maybe they just don't care and figure if they win it for the price they want then they win it.If not then they don't.But at some of the prices I have won a few of these Bagwells at...it also leads me to believe that its not the big fish competing as much as the newer ones.The bids are less than they would normally be leading me to believe that the bidders don't know just how hard the card is to obtain and the big fish who do know aren't bidding, otherwise it would be more $$$.

The seller had 2 sets this auction was the first Frank Thomas and it went for 152.00 which is alot of dough. He listed the second set
about a month later and I think that Thomas went for around 40? Ross might remember better ? On a side note he didn't really do all that well on any of the other cards. I think the next highest in both rounds was Juan Gonzalez at or around 20. How many of these sets do you think were redeemed? I have heard a little as 30 but on the other hand I have seen 4 or 5 auctions in the past 6 months for these cards.

 

[gracecollector]

cool. from what I see the condition in general stays very nice on these cards. you should be able to 9.5 with ease
maybe when I get all 100 of the greens I will do a mass-grade..

arent there more than 100 if you include the rookie crusades?

1998 there is 130 not counting the protos, rookie crusades were like a 2001 thing i believe

do you know where I can find the checklist? Ive only seen one to 100 which must have got cut off or something. .. because this would explain the numbering Ive been running into.


and about the protos.. how do we know for sure what # were released of each guy? can that ever be an official thing? dont think Im ever going to try for a proto as it just makes it that more impossible.

#101-#130 were distributed in 1998 Leaf Rookies & Stars. Beckett refers to them as Crusade Updates.

#101 Richard Hidalgo
#102 Paul Konerko
#103 Miguel Tejada
#104 Fernando Tatis
#105 Travis Lee
#106 Wes Helms
#107 Rich Butler
#108 Mark Kotsay
#109 Eli Marrero
#110 David Ortiz
#111 Juan Encarnacion
#112 Jaret Wright
#113 Livan Hernandez
#114 Ron Wright
#115 Ryan Christenson
#116 Eric Milton
#117 Brad Fullmer
#118 Karim Garcia
#119 Abraham Nunez
#120 Ricky Ledee
#121 Carl Pavano
#122 Derrek Lee
#123 A.J. Hinch
#124 Brian Rose
#125 Bobby Estalella
#126 Kevin Millwood
#127 Kerry Wood
#128 Sean Casey
#129 Russell Branyan
#130 Magglio Ordonez

Note: These cards are not serial numbered on back, but they were distributed in packs in the same quantites as other crusades (250 green, 100 purple, 25 red).

No way to tell what got out on the protos. I've seen up to #181 but there could be more. Grace Call to Arms prototype is #174. Ken Griffey Jr. is #131. David Justice CTA is #160. Matt Williams CTA is #172. There's no way to know for sure quantities that got released. I've never seen another Grace, and the Williams and Justice collectors say the same for their's. Magic, ever seen another Griffey proto? The protos are not serial numbered on back. Can anyone add any more numbers to the prototype list?

 

[predatorkj]

Bags & Griffey went for $8.27

[ebay:3vciwo5a]110399587129[/ebay:3vciwo5a]

After looking at that auction, these things came to mind:

Some possible scenarios:

Straight Shill. But that doesn't quite make sense. A shill's "job" is to drive up to the price where his partner is comfortable raking in the fish. But NOT to the point where the fish gets off the hook, which is what that final auction price would suggest.

Shill-For-Second-Chance-Offer Scam. Possibly.

Set Collector. But that seems unlikely. As you noted yourself, the Griffey should command the top dollar by virtue of his legion of fans.

Hype Buyer. What I understand drives the prospecting market. Admittedly, for a veteran player who hasn't played in '09, a surprise. Although not unprecedented. Same thing happened to Ripken cards as there was a huge burst of activity following his retirement.

Pent Up Demand. Lack of quality cards in 2009. Collectors sitting on tidy sums waiting for something 'nice' to pop. Possibly.

Finally...

If it is a Thomas Collector, he's probably new. New guys tend (usually) to go nuts when they first get to eBay. I recall one collector who did that very thing: Arrived crushing every auction with a fresh credit card or some serious, albeit temporary, liquidity. If that's the case - it'll be crazy for a while (sellers take note) and then dry up as he hits his credit limit or runs out of cash.

I would've discounted this as a possibility as recently as last month. But Cobra29svt's research has suggested that are at least a couple of new players in the Big Hurt Club.

I can't even see the auction.What did it go for?

As far as new guys...yeah...I was that way too.Now I pick and choose but I also do a lot of dealing outside of ebay so my collection wasn't built on ebay alone.There do seem to be some new players in the running for Bagwell cards though with the coded user names I can't tell.Maybe n1astros1 can shed some light on who they are.It just doesn't seem like the same old couple of guys.You can also tell too as it seems that they always put in a bid right after its been listed while me and a few other guys seem to try to snipe it.Not sure I understand why you would want to bid early unless you aren't going to be able to get a bid in but if that's the case have somebody do a snipe or set one up yourself.But when I was new I did it a few times too so that is why I feel they are newbies.Or maybe they just don't care and figure if they win it for the price they want then they win it.If not then they don't.But at some of the prices I have won a few of these Bagwells at...it also leads me to believe that its not the big fish competing as much as the newer ones.The bids are less than they would normally be leading me to believe that the bidders don't know just how hard the card is to obtain and the big fish who do know aren't bidding, otherwise it would be more $$$.

The seller had 2 sets this auction was the first Frank Thomas and it went for 152.00 which is alot of dough. He listed the second set
about a month later and I think that Thomas went for around 40? Ross might remember better ? On a side note he didn't really do all that well on any of the other cards. I think the next highest in both rounds was Juan Gonzalez at or around 20. How many of these sets do you think were redeemed? I have heard a little as 30 but on the other hand I have seen 4 or 5 auctions in the past 6 months for these cards.

I have seen a few Bags pop up.I didn't even know about the card until a member here posted it.But I am starting to wonder how much they go for on average.Its not much from what i can tell.Now the Frank that went for $150 and some change is kinda odd.Can't say what happened there.

 

[Cobra29svt]

The average for the Frank is around $40-$50.

 

[Jack Straw]

I have 2 of all the big names so they are probably not that rare. I am never lucky like that

 

[Jack Straw]

cool. from what I see the condition in general stays very nice on these cards. you should be able to 9.5 with ease
maybe when I get all 100 of the greens I will do a mass-grade..

arent there more than 100 if you include the rookie crusades?

1998 there is 130 not counting the protos, rookie crusades were like a 2001 thing i believe

do you know where I can find the checklist? Ive only seen one to 100 which must have got cut off or something. .. because this would explain the numbering Ive been running into.


and about the protos.. how do we know for sure what # were released of each guy? can that ever be an official thing? dont think Im ever going to try for a proto as it just makes it that more impossible.

#101-#130 were distributed in 1998 Leaf Rookies & Stars. Beckett refers to them as Crusade Updates.

#101 Richard Hidalgo
#102 Paul Konerko
#103 Miguel Tejada
#104 Fernando Tatis
#105 Travis Lee
#106 Wes Helms
#107 Rich Butler
#108 Mark Kotsay
#109 Eli Marrero
#110 David Ortiz
#111 Juan Encarnacion
#112 Jaret Wright
#113 Livan Hernandez
#114 Ron Wright
#115 Ryan Christenson
#116 Eric Milton
#117 Brad Fullmer
#118 Karim Garcia
#119 Abraham Nunez
#120 Ricky Ledee
#121 Carl Pavano
#122 Derrek Lee
#123 A.J. Hinch
#124 Brian Rose
#125 Bobby Estalella
#126 Kevin Millwood
#127 Kerry Wood
#128 Sean Casey
#129 Russell Branyan
#130 Magglio Ordonez

Note: These cards are not serial numbered on back, but they were distributed in packs in the same quantites as other crusades (250 green, 100 purple, 25 red).

No way to tell what got out on the protos. I've seen up to #181 but there could be more. Grace Call to Arms prototype is #174. Ken Griffey Jr. is #131. David Justice CTA is #160. Matt Williams CTA is #172. There's no way to know for sure quantities that got released. I've never seen another Grace, and the Williams and Justice collectors say the same for their's. Magic, ever seen another Griffey proto? The protos are unnumbered on back.

As far as the Griffey CTA Magic and thejuniorcollection.com each have one so there is atleast 2.

 

[predatorkj]

The average for the Frank is around $40-$50.

Why so much more than Bags?

 

[tunahead]

Bags & Griffey went for $8.27

[ebay:2v04zt32]110399587129[/ebay:2v04zt32]

After looking at that auction, these things came to mind:
1. Are Thomas collectors really that CRAZY! Are they the CRAZIEST?
2. Why on earth, with all the crazy Griffey collectors, and Ripken, and Jeter, etc.. would this be this much higher? Did some of you Frank boys set some nasty snipes?
3. What the heck is Frank doing on that card? Ballet? Does he leave the ground on his swing?

Is there a Ripken in that Super Teams set?

 

[cbrandtw]

No way to tell what got out on the protos. I've seen up to #181 but there could be more. Grace Call to Arms prototype is #174. Ken Griffey Jr. is #131. David Justice CTA is #160. Matt Williams CTA is #172. There's no way to know for sure quantities that got released. I've never seen another Grace, and the Williams and Justice collectors say the same for their's. Magic, ever seen another Griffey proto? The protos are not serial numbered on back. Can anyone add any more numbers to the prototype list?

Alex Rodriguez Purple Proto #176 ( I haven't seen a Green or Red or another Purple)

 

[gracecollector]

Aww man, my claim to fame is demolished. I was doing web searches for Crusade prototypes, and found another collector that has 6 different Crusades for one player. He's got the full proto run and regular run of Will Clark. First time I've seen 6 different for one player besides Grace. There are probably others.

I'm going to write a blog tonight on Crusades. Will be trying to fill out the checklist for cards #131 and above as best as possible, and show scans of all prototypes when I can find them.

 

[Philip J. Fry]

Aww man, my claim to fame is demolished. I was doing web searches for Crusade prototypes, and found another collector that has 6 different Crusades for one player. He's got the full proto run and regular run of Will Clark. First time I've seen 6 different for one player besides Grace. There are probably others.

I'm going to write a blog tonight on Crusades. Will be trying to fill out the checklist for cards #131 and above as best as possible, and show scans of all prototypes when I can find them.

That pic is small, but I hope he has those in more than just a binder!

 

[magicpapa]

Aww man, my claim to fame is demolished. I was doing web searches for Crusade prototypes, and found another collector that has 6 different Crusades for one player. He's got the full proto run and regular run of Will Clark. First time I've seen 6 different for one player besides Grace. There are probably others.

I'm going to write a blog tonight on Crusades. Will be trying to fill out the checklist for cards #131 and above as best as possible, and show scans of all prototypes when I can find them.

#131??? DO I WIN??

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[gracecollector]

Aww man, my claim to fame is demolished. I was doing web searches for Crusade prototypes, and found another collector that has 6 different Crusades for one player. He's got the full proto run and regular run of Will Clark. First time I've seen 6 different for one player besides Grace. There are probably others.

I'm going to write a blog tonight on Crusades. Will be trying to fill out the checklist for cards #131 and above as best as possible, and show scans of all prototypes when I can find them.

That pic is small, but I hope he has those in more than just a binder!

He sent me these photos. Pretty dang sweet - think there are a couple of Clark collectors on these boards that would like these. CTA card is #165.

 

[Jack Straw]

Bags & Griffey went for $8.27

[ebay:7gl6qlae]110399587129[/ebay:7gl6qlae]

After looking at that auction, these things came to mind:
1. Are Thomas collectors really that CRAZY! Are they the CRAZIEST?
2. Why on earth, with all the crazy Griffey collectors, and Ripken, and Jeter, etc.. would this be this much higher? Did some of you Frank boys set some nasty snipes?
3. What the heck is Frank doing on that card? Ballet? Does he leave the ground on his swing?

Is there a Ripken in that Super Teams set?

Orioles is Mussina. I don't know who is on the actual team card but the redeemed one is Mussina alone.

 

[Bornagaincollector]

Did anyone here buy the 1998 Donruss Crusade Red Randy Johnson /25?I had a bid in and he cancelled it.

 

[Philip J. Fry]

Aww man, my claim to fame is demolished. I was doing web searches for Crusade prototypes, and found another collector that has 6 different Crusades for one player. He's got the full proto run and regular run of Will Clark. First time I've seen 6 different for one player besides Grace. There are probably others.

I'm going to write a blog tonight on Crusades. Will be trying to fill out the checklist for cards #131 and above as best as possible, and show scans of all prototypes when I can find them.

That pic is small, but I hope he has those in more than just a binder!

He sent me these photos. Pretty dang sweet - think there are a couple of Clark collectors on these boards that would like these. CTA card is #165.

Very nice. I would have graded them though lol.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

Did anyone here buy the 1998 Donruss Crusade Red Randy Johnson /25?I had a bid in and he cancelled it.

I was aiming for that one too... guess he doesnt know that those explode at last minute..