"Rare" 90s inserts

[thenumberonemetfan]

/25 3.00 dlvd

 

[onionring9]

So, who's got the rainbow? We wanna see!

I think this is all of them (I also added scans of the factory replacements because those took awhile to find - they don't have serial numbers):
Proof
Proof #'d/50
Proof factory replacement
Base
Base embossed 21st National Anaheim
Limited
Limited factory replacement
Platinum Blue
Platinum Blue factory replacement
Premiere Date
Premiere Date factory replacement
Red

 

[TNP777]

what's the story behind the factory replacement cards?

 

[Jastermereel]

Execs at Pacific looted the company before they shut down and took all the cards that were to be used as replacements (thus not serial #'d). These cards eventually found their way onto the market.

 

[Bornagaincollector]

Here's a Stadium Club question. Years ago at a Tri-Star show in San Francisco a dealer told me that there were Wal-Mart/Sam's Club parallels in the '96 set - bronze, silver and gold. By Wal-Mart/Sam's Club, did the guy perhaps mean retail vs. hobby? My '07 Standard Catalog lists five available card parallels - base, Member's Only, Extreme Players Bronze, Silver and Gold. Presently, I have eight Brett Butler versions in hand. The unlisted 6th card is identical in every way to the base card, except with silver foil in the TSC logo and around the player's name, which leads me to believe there might be a bronze & gold parallel, too? I'd love some clarification on this. Scanner stinks, but you guys should be able to see the foil difference.

left is base, right is....?

The 7th & 8th parallels I have are oversized - not sure if they're proofs, sheet-cut or what. They're from the Extreme Players sets, and have a larger picture than the one that was cropped to fit the actual EP cards. Any of you guys have these, too? What are you calling them? Since the Silver and Gold exist, I've got to assume that the Bronze does, too.

The oversized cards have a small white border around the card, unlike the usual TSC full-bleed cards.

I have the 96 Mike Greenwell Oversized Gold,i got it from ebay and was told it was a proof.Not sure though,on the back it has a address form on the bottom.Scan is in my bucket.

 

[Jastermereel]

Here's a Stadium Club question. Years ago at a Tri-Star show in San Francisco a dealer told me that there were Wal-Mart/Sam's Club parallels in the '96 set - bronze, silver and gold. By Wal-Mart/Sam's Club, did the guy perhaps mean retail vs. hobby? My '07 Standard Catalog lists five available card parallels - base, Member's Only, Extreme Players Bronze, Silver and Gold. Presently, I have eight Brett Butler versions in hand. The unlisted 6th card is identical in every way to the base card, except with silver foil in the TSC logo and around the player's name, which leads me to believe there might be a bronze & gold parallel, too? I'd love some clarification on this. Scanner stinks, but you guys should be able to see the foil difference.

left is base, right is....?

The 7th & 8th parallels I have are oversized - not sure if they're proofs, sheet-cut or what. They're from the Extreme Players sets, and have a larger picture than the one that was cropped to fit the actual EP cards. Any of you guys have these, too? What are you calling them? Since the Silver and Gold exist, I've got to assume that the Bronze does, too.

The oversized cards have a small white border around the card, unlike the usual TSC full-bleed cards.

I have the 96 Mike Greenwell Oversized Gold,i got it from ebay and was told it was a proof.Not sure though,on the back it has a address form on the bottom.Scan is in my bucket.

These 'proofs' were all sold by one guy several years ago if I recall. I firmly believe that they got an uncut sheet of the cards and cut them to their maximum border size and call them proofs. The only difference between these and normal cards is the oversized borders. The guy who initially came up with these cards also had similar 'oversized proofs' of many other sets like '88 Donruss etc.. I asked if all he did was cut down uncut sheets leaving excess border (essentially taking the borders from the neighboring cards) and he dodged the question.

 

[predatorkj]

Here's a Stadium Club question. Years ago at a Tri-Star show in San Francisco a dealer told me that there were Wal-Mart/Sam's Club parallels in the '96 set - bronze, silver and gold. By Wal-Mart/Sam's Club, did the guy perhaps mean retail vs. hobby? My '07 Standard Catalog lists five available card parallels - base, Member's Only, Extreme Players Bronze, Silver and Gold. Presently, I have eight Brett Butler versions in hand. The unlisted 6th card is identical in every way to the base card, except with silver foil in the TSC logo and around the player's name, which leads me to believe there might be a bronze & gold parallel, too? I'd love some clarification on this. Scanner stinks, but you guys should be able to see the foil difference.

left is base, right is....?

The 7th & 8th parallels I have are oversized - not sure if they're proofs, sheet-cut or what. They're from the Extreme Players sets, and have a larger picture than the one that was cropped to fit the actual EP cards. Any of you guys have these, too? What are you calling them? Since the Silver and Gold exist, I've got to assume that the Bronze does, too.

The oversized cards have a small white border around the card, unlike the usual TSC full-bleed cards.

I have the 96 Mike Greenwell Oversized Gold,i got it from ebay and was told it was a proof.Not sure though,on the back it has a address form on the bottom.Scan is in my bucket.

These 'proofs' were all sold by one guy several years ago if I recall. I firmly believe that they got an uncut sheet of the cards and cut them to their maximum border size and call them proofs. The only difference between these and normal cards is the oversized borders. The guy who initially came up with these cards also had similar 'oversized proofs' of many other sets like '88 Donruss etc.. I asked if all he did was cut down uncut sheets leaving excess border (essentially taking the borders from the neighboring cards) and he dodged the question.

You got a name because I just purchased an oversize proof of a Bagwell from a pacific brand and I was wondering if it was backdoored or if it was even legit but it was only a couple of bucks so I am not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

[onionring9]

what's the story behind the factory replacement cards?

Execs at Pacific looted the company before they shut down and took all the cards that were to be used as replacements (thus not serial #'d). These cards eventually found their way onto the market.

Exactly the case. Then there were a few fire sales and a few distributors got their hands on these. Took me awhile to find these distributors but I got a large quantity of these (probably 100 or so of McGwire). Some of these are unique (only one exist) others there are a large handful of them. We added these onto our masterlist and we update the #'d/ count based on how many we find. They are tough to find.

However the harder ones to find are the star punched promo sets used to show off new sets. 2 of each of those exist for whichever cards were used in the shows. It's unknown what cards were used for these, but I try to collect those as I find them as well.

 

[TNP777]

I have the 96 Mike Greenwell Oversized Gold,i got it from ebay and was told it was a proof.Not sure though,on the back it has a address form on the bottom.Scan is in my bucket.

The address on the back is the same as the regular card. Topps chose a group of players from the base set - if that player led a statistical category at season's end, the card could be redeemed for a Bronze, Silver or Gold Winner card.

These 'proofs' were all sold by one guy several years ago if I recall. I firmly believe that they got an uncut sheet of the cards and cut them to their maximum border size and call them proofs. The only difference between these and normal cards is the oversized borders. The guy who initially came up with these cards also had similar 'oversized proofs' of many other sets like '88 Donruss etc.. I asked if all he did was cut down uncut sheets leaving excess border (essentially taking the borders from the neighboring cards) and he dodged the question.

You got a name because I just purchased an oversize proof of a Bagwell from a pacific brand and I was wondering if it was backdoored or if it was even legit but it was only a couple of bucks so I am not going to lose any sleep over it.

The name you're probably thinking of is "apache-moon". At least that's the guy I remember selling a lot of the oversized "proofs" - I bought several of them from him, mostly because like you said, they were only a couple bucks apiece. I agree with the belief that many of them came from sheets where the larger border comes from taking it from the neighboring card - I've got many of those. However, the TSC examples I've given don't fit that mold because of the bigger view of the original picture. Look specifically at the bottom of the pic - in the larger you can see the grass from the infield in front of home plate.

The only other card I've got off the top of my head that has a larger picture than what was cropped into the actual card is from '96 Flair.

 

[predatorkj]

I just picked up a very cheap card from Burbank today that may not fit this thread but I have never seen one.Its the 1994 Pacific Silver Prisms Jeff Bagwell #24.I have only seen the circular versions.This was a tough puppy to land.May not be extremely rare but you would figure after amassing almost 2200 different cards of the guy I'd have found one now.It was only a couple of dollars too.Burbank actually has a ton of cards I need and some of them are reasonably priced oddly enough.

 

[Jastermereel]

I just picked up a very cheap card from Burbank today that may not fit this thread but I have never seen one.Its the 1994 Pacific Silver Prisms Jeff Bagwell #24.I have only seen the circular versions.This was a tough puppy to land.May not be extremely rare but you would figure after amassing almost 2200 different cards of the guy I'd have found one now.It was only a couple of dollars too.Burbank actually has a ton of cards I need and some of them are reasonably priced oddly enough.

The circular prisms are common and came one-per-pack out of one product (might have been a certain type pack or something) but the non-circulars were more scarce. A couple per box I believe.

 

[Jastermereel]

I have the 96 Mike Greenwell Oversized Gold,i got it from ebay and was told it was a proof.Not sure though,on the back it has a address form on the bottom.Scan is in my bucket.

The address on the back is the same as the regular card. Topps chose a group of players from the base set - if that player led a statistical category at season's end, the card could be redeemed for a Bronze, Silver or Gold Winner card.

[quote=" Jastermereel"at16u1p]These 'proofs' were all sold by one guy several years ago if I recall. I firmly believe that they got an uncut sheet of the cards and cut them to their maximum border size and call them proofs. The only difference between these and normal cards is the oversized borders. The guy who initially came up with these cards also had similar 'oversized proofs' of many other sets like '88 Donruss etc.. I asked if all he did was cut down uncut sheets leaving excess border (essentially taking the borders from the neighboring cards) and he dodged the question.

You got a name because I just purchased an oversize proof of a Bagwell from a pacific brand and I was wondering if it was backdoored or if it was even legit but it was only a couple of bucks so I am not going to lose any sleep over it.

The name you're probably thinking of is "apache-moon". At least that's the guy I remember selling a lot of the oversized "proofs" - I bought several of them from him, mostly because like you said, they were only a couple bucks apiece. I agree with the belief that many of them came from sheets where the larger border comes from taking it from the neighboring card - I've got many of those. However, the TSC examples I've given don't fit that mold because of the bigger view of the original picture. Look specifically at the bottom of the pic - in the larger you can see the grass from the infield in front of home plate.

The only other card I've got off the top of my head that has a larger picture than what was cropped into the actual card is from '96 Flair.

[/quoteat16u1p]

Yes that's exactly who I'm talking about, apache-moon. I still believe those later issues just had more border and when the sheets were cut down the excess was discarded. I think these 'proofs' still have the excess image on them.

 

[predatorkj]

I just picked up a very cheap card from Burbank today that may not fit this thread but I have never seen one.Its the 1994 Pacific Silver Prisms Jeff Bagwell #24.I have only seen the circular versions.This was a tough puppy to land.May not be extremely rare but you would figure after amassing almost 2200 different cards of the guy I'd have found one now.It was only a couple of dollars too.Burbank actually has a ton of cards I need and some of them are reasonably priced oddly enough.

The circular prisms are common and came one-per-pack out of one product (might have been a certain type pack or something) but the non-circulars were more scarce. A couple per box I believe.

Even then you'd figure somebody had one they would cough up after a while.Even after buying a handful of 1000+ lots on ebay I never saw one.I started to think they didn't exist until Grace Collector showed me a Mark Grace example.Now...I finally nailed one down.Still probably not worth much but who cares?

 

[magicpapa]

 

[BunchOBull]

Still looking for my pin! Very nice.

 

[1st4040]

here's a couple I don't think I've seen in here yet.. 1997 Collectors Choice New Frontier and 1997 Pinnacle Express Swing for the Fences upgrade. The New Frontier matches up side by side with an NL players card to complete the spelling at the top and the Diamond in the background.

 

[BunchOBull]

You have an impressively clean scanner bed. Nice cards too!

 

[ffgameman]

I got a few cool inserts of Sosa in today via SeattlefantillIdie; I don't think any fit into the "rare" category but they are very neat!

1999 UD HoloGrFx AUsome parallel
1999 Topps Stars Galaxy /1999 (serial number is "pressed down" into the card rather than gold foil)
2000 Topps Finest Ballpark Bounty (the ball in the background has a....mirror-like finish to it - I can see my reflection in the card!)
2001 Donruss Elite Title Waves /2000
1997 Sports Illustrated Extra Edition /500
2994 Donruss Power Alley /1000 (blue)

Also included were a 2001 UD E-volve GU /300 and a 1989 Donruss "RC".

 

[Bornagaincollector]

I got this in the mail today for 2.40 from the Bench,it has some wear on both bottom corners,pretty rough.But at that price i can't complain.

 

[onionring9]

I got this in the mail today for 2.40 from the Bench,it has some wear on both bottom corners,pretty rough.But at that price i can't complain.

It took me 4 years to put that 10 card subset of McGwire to rest. Finally did it in December '08. Great group of cards!