Razor Legends of the Game

[scottagibson]

My personal opinion is that this product seems to be nothing more than a huge "grab bag" scheme. Yes, there are some nice cards, but of all the posts I have seen, it seems to me that every break seems to lose money... some a significant amount of money. Furthermore, it seems that for the most part, people don't mind the loss! I'd be really upset at pulling a psa 7 card that would bring $150+ less than what i paid. I really think I understand the concept, I just feel that this product is way overpriced based on what the majority of the cards are. Am I in the minority here?

 

[69MetsFan]

Any wax breaking is a pure crap shoot at best. The difference is how much you're betting against the house.

 

[Erich]

Do we need another thread on this?

 

[Pine Tar]

Do we need another thread on this?

Yes! And that will be enough out of you mister.

 

[sdsportsfan1214]

yeah i agree its overpriced and definitely a bad gamble to take in opening a pack of these

 

[kentuckyderby]

Do we need another thread on this?

Yes! And that will be enough out of you mister.

Richard, you crack me up :lol:

To each their own on this
I agree that it's a grab bag type of thing
I guess it's the repackaging that gives it that feel
Sure people who bust BDP or any other wax shouldn't expect profit but this product sure is playing vodoo on some. At least the BDP has potential for growth. How much growth is there in a 45 year old card PSA 7? I haven't seen so many people in my life busting $240 packs and getting cards worth $45-$100 and saying how much fun it was
It was one pack? That was fun?
I guess that takes me to my original comment (to each their own)

 

[scottagibson]

Do we need another thread on this?

Sorry.... I didn't see one when i searched... that is why i asked what i did.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

You can drop $75 on a box of Bowman Draft and pick up roughly a minimum of $10 in singles of guys who the odds are against making the majors, or drop $200+ on a pack of this for a minimum of $50 return of a former Hall of Famer or top tier star graded 7 or better.

Obviously the odds are always with the house on pack/box breaks...but without question this product offers far more of a percentage return than almost any other product out there.

It's definitely hit or miss, like any product, but the misses here are still collectible and easy to move...unlike a box of commons, inserts and a $3 autograph.

 

[kentuckyderby]

You can drop $75 on a box of Bowman Draft and pick up roughly a minimum of $10 in singles of guys who the odds are against making the majors, or drop $200+ on a pack of this for a minimum of $50 return of a former Hall of Famer or top tier star graded 7 or better.

Obviously the odds are always with the house on pack/box breaks...but without question this product offers far more of a percentage return than almost any other product out there.

It's definitely hit or miss, like any product, but the misses here are still collectible and easy to move...unlike a box of commons, inserts and a $3 autograph.

$225 pack yielding $50 in cards = $175 loss (big ol' kick in the balls)
$75 box yielding $10 in cards = $65 loss (slight tap in the balls)
take that extra $110 and spend it on pokerstars

 

[cubfan131]

You can drop $75 on a box of Bowman Draft and pick up roughly a minimum of $10 in singles of guys who the odds are against making the majors, or drop $200+ on a pack of this for a minimum of $50 return of a former Hall of Famer or top tier star graded 7 or better.

Obviously the odds are always with the house on pack/box breaks...but without question this product offers far more of a percentage return than almost any other product out there.

It's definitely hit or miss, like any product, but the misses here are still collectible and easy to move...unlike a box of commons, inserts and a $3 autograph.

$225 pack yielding $50 in cards = $175 loss (big ol' kick in the balls)
$75 box yielding $10 in cards = $65 loss (slight tap in the balls)
take that extra $110 and spend it on pokerstars

$175 loss on investment of $225 = 78% loss
$65 loss on investment of $75 = 88% loss

just saying if you can afford the big initial investment you are better off.

 

[kentuckyderby]

You can drop $75 on a box of Bowman Draft and pick up roughly a minimum of $10 in singles of guys who the odds are against making the majors, or drop $200+ on a pack of this for a minimum of $50 return of a former Hall of Famer or top tier star graded 7 or better.

Obviously the odds are always with the house on pack/box breaks...but without question this product offers far more of a percentage return than almost any other product out there.

It's definitely hit or miss, like any product, but the misses here are still collectible and easy to move...unlike a box of commons, inserts and a $3 autograph.

$225 pack yielding $50 in cards = $175 loss (big ol' kick in the balls)
$75 box yielding $10 in cards = $65 loss (slight tap in the balls)
take that extra $110 and spend it on pokerstars

$175 loss on investment of $225 = 78% loss
$65 loss on investment of $75 = 88% loss

just saying if you can afford the big initial investment you are better off.

I would rather lose 88% of a dollar than 78% of a grand
lately have been seeing a lot of $50-70 pulls from Diamond Legends
Having been seeing $10 total pulls from this year BDP
As a matter of fact, have been seeing multile autos when boxes only 65

just saying

 

[Leaf]

Kentucky,
You example is not accurate. You take the worst card for your example.

My average cost across the whole product is $145-155. So, yes, if you opened every pack, you would average $150 at selling price. That is 80% of factory cost (what I sell it for wholesale).

Take any other product made in 2009 or 2010. If you opened every single box, Id bet you that almost nothing will return 80% of fatcory cost in the first month of release.

So, yes, while you can hit a box with a $50 card. The average is $150, with an upside of $30,000.

This product is top heavy with a ton of value in the top 25 cards.

Like all wax, one box or a few boxes give you the best chance of beating the odds.
While you may not win on a box, someone will inevitably.

The story of wax.
BG

 

[kentuckyderby]

Agree wax is a gamble
Guess that's why the wife and I don't spend a dime on the slots but would rather hit the poker/blackjack tables or the sportsbook
Also basing my #s on many of the busts I have seen so far (albeit a small sample of big picture)
I have surely seen more pulls near $50-70 from Legends than I have seen BDP from this year near $10

The one thing that is just blowing me away is the thrill and fun that those that are busting and getting pounded are displaying
I just have to say to myself "to each their own" because I just cannot explain how much "zen" those that are busting are displaying

 

[coltsnsox07]

Like I've posted on most of the Razor Legends threads, I've opened 7 so far with 4 more on the way. I've gotten two signed '52 Topps cards(Spahn and Robin Roberts), two PSA 8's('61 Clemente and'54 Rizzuto), a PSA 7 '66 Clemente, and two so-so cards: a '58 Duke Snider PSA 7 and a '62 Topps HR leaders Cepeda, Mays, Robinson signed by Cepeda but real nice shape. The 2 cards which are the not-so-good category are still great old cards. I opened 2 Exquisite Football ($1000!) and have a Brian Robiskie patch auto, Rhett Bomar Patch auto, Derrick Williams auto, Patrick Turner patch...you can see where I'm going, I got killed by UD. Thats why I love Legends( still hoping for a Ted Williams), Razorent do you know about how many Williams are in this? Anyway I'll let eveyone know whats in the other 4 and maybe more! I just wish I had spent the Exquisite $$ on this instead...

 

[AKT74]

If you like the product and want to open it for a price of X, than do so. If you don't like the product, and have no plans to open any, well than SHUT THE HELL UP!

Sorry, but I am getting sick of people crying about products they have not opened and never plan on opening. What do you gain by B**CHING about something other people might enjoy??????

 

[LazerShow15]

Like I've posted on most of the Razor Legends threads, I've opened 7 so far with 4 more on the way. I've gotten two signed '52 Topps cards(Spahn and Robin Roberts), two PSA 8's('61 Clemente and'54 Rizzuto), a PSA 7 '66 Clemente, and two so-so cards: a '58 Duke Snider PSA 7 and a '62 Topps HR leaders Cepeda, Mays, Robinson signed by Cepeda but real nice shape. The 2 cards which are the not-so-good category are still great old cards. I opened 2 Exquisite Football ($1000!) and have a Brian Robiskie patch auto, Rhett Bomar Patch auto, Derrick Williams auto, Patrick Turner patch...you can see where I'm going, I got killed by UD. Thats why I love Legends( still hoping for a Ted Williams), Razorent do you know about how many Williams are in this? Anyway I'll let eveyone know whats in the other 4 and maybe more! I just wish I had spent the Exquisite $$ on this instead...

Todd, if your willing to part with the Clementes and Spahn, let me know, Brad

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

Kentucky,
You example is not accurate. You take the worst card for your example.

My average cost across the whole product is $145-155. So, yes, if you opened every pack, you would average $150 at selling price. That is 80% of factory cost (what I sell it for wholesale).

Take any other product made in 2009 or 2010. If you opened every single box, Id bet you that almost nothing will return 80% of fatcory cost in the first month of release.

So, yes, while you can hit a box with a $50 card. The average is $150, with an upside of $30,000.

This product is top heavy with a ton of value in the top 25 cards.

Like all wax, one box or a few boxes give you the best chance of beating the odds.
While you may not win on a box, someone will inevitably.

The story of wax.
BG

So was my Monte Irvin auto card a $50 card?
I guess thats better than $40.

 

[JoshHamilton]

$225 pack yielding $50 in cards = $175 loss (big ol' kick in the balls)
$75 box yielding $10 in cards = $65 loss (slight tap in the balls)
take that extra $110 and spend it on pokerstars

excellent remedial math. What grade are you in?

$225 pack yielding $50 in cards = $175 loss
$225 three box BDP break yielding $30 in cards = $195 loss

Fail.

 

[kentuckyderby]

Kentucky,
You example is not accurate. You take the worst card for your example.

My average cost across the whole product is $145-155. So, yes, if you opened every pack, you would average $150 at selling price. That is 80% of factory cost (what I sell it for wholesale).

Take any other product made in 2009 or 2010. If you opened every single box, Id bet you that almost nothing will return 80% of fatcory cost in the first month of release.

So, yes, while you can hit a box with a $50 card. The average is $150, with an upside of $30,000.

This product is top heavy with a ton of value in the top 25 cards.

Like all wax, one box or a few boxes give you the best chance of beating the odds.
While you may not win on a box, someone will inevitably.

The story of wax.
BG

So was my Monte Irvin auto card a $50 card?
I guess thats better than $40.

No, but none of my BDP boxes were $10 boxes
As a matter of fact, the case I bought probably came close to clearing profit on just the autos
Has anyone shown profit on busting 10 packs of this PSA stuff?

People have the right to bust what they want
It's their cash
I too have the right to wonder why people are so content after ripping and getting squashed
heck, some even admitting they got pounded and admit they they want more

Busting is a drug

 

[kentuckyderby]

$225 pack yielding $50 in cards = $175 loss (big ol' kick in the balls)
$75 box yielding $10 in cards = $65 loss (slight tap in the balls)
take that extra $110 and spend it on pokerstars

excellent remedial math. What grade are you in?

$225 pack yielding $50 in cards = $175 loss
$225 three box BDP break yielding $30 in cards = $195 loss

Fail.

LOL. Would love to see 3 boxes of this year BDP that yields a total of $30

Anyway, I was comparing one box of each brand and not $225 of each product because that's what the arguement was --- that a person busting a box of the 225 vintage at least gets more $ back than the person that busted BDP
My point was that sure 50 is more than 10 but there is a bigger net loss.

I also don't understand the logic of "Well, this other company sucks and I usually got bad results with that company so why not get kicked in the junk by Razor instead?"