Razor M Baseball, Cancelled

[200lbhockeyplayer]

As long as everyone realizes that it is not in Razor's best interest to kill this release for the National, I'm fine. But the discussions of "will they end up on eBay" are kind of silly considering 8 of the 9 cards per box have already been up on eBay.

Obviously if Matt Wieters was tearing it up, this would easily have been the major talk at the National so it is a bit less "painful" considering the apparent problems that caused this release to be shelved.

 

[mredsox89]

As long as everyone realizes that it is not in Razor's best interest to kill this release for the National, I'm fine. But the discussions of "will they end up on eBay" are kind of silly considering 8 of the 9 cards per box have already been up on eBay.

Obviously if Matt Wieters was tearing it up, this would easily have been the major talk at the National so it is a bit less "painful" considering the apparent problems that caused this release to be shelved.

Not sure if anyone was actually serious with the "end up on ebay" comments.

 

[huntah]

Maybe it have something to do with the fact Razor sold those cards on Ebay with the mention : Ebay exclusives and after selling them in packs?

Maybe it have something to do with the fact they wrote in the auctions : Razor can sell at equal or higher prices the remaining unsold cards...how can they guarantee this selling in packs?

Seriously, lawsuit would be the only thing I see to cancel the release...Is it Distinction design? Players contract? :grouphug:

 

[matchpenalty]

Maybe it have something to do with the fact Razor sold those cards on Ebay with the mention : Ebay exclusives and after selling them in packs?

Maybe it have something to do with the fact they wrote in the auctions : Razor can sell at equal or higher prices the remaining unsold cards...how can they guarantee this selling in packs?

Seriously, lawsuit would be the only thing I see to cancel the release...Is it Distinction design? Players contract? :grouphug:

Nice another one trying to put Razor in a box. It was a sticker seal issue and Razor is doing the right thing and correcting it before release.

 

[A_Pharis]

Actually, BG spent a good bit of the National destroying faulty cards with a paper cutter.

 

[jbone17]

Actually, BG spent a good bit of the National destroying faulty cards with a paper cutter.

I saw the vid. That guy is a strange duck.....

 

[Vagrant]

I don't care what the reasons are behind its cancellation, but any time you as a company delay your product, and this goes double if not triple for fledgling card companies that are fighting for legitimacy against household names, you lose credibility regardless.

Your release date is a promise to your customers. It means you factor in all the potential mistakes that could be made. You factor in all the variables, and you deliver your product on time. If you're "racing the clock" for whatever reason, then you're failing those customers. I realize the product was packed out and ready to be distributed, but I would have fought tooth and nail to release this product if I represented Razor because anything less would be viewed as a failure.

As a company starting out, the only thing you have to go on is your word. Your promise. Getting people to believe that you mean what you say and you say what you mean. Once that trust is established, then you have a customer base. It seems like at every chance that Razor has to provide a return on the faith of their believers, an issue like this crops up and ruins the integrity of the operation.

Has there been any product by Razor thus far that has not thoroughly disappointed or befuddled its customers?

 

[A_Pharis]

I don't care what the reasons are behind its cancellation, but any time you as a company delay your product, and this goes double if not triple for fledgling card companies that are fighting for legitimacy against household names, you lose credibility regardless.

Your release date is a promise to your customers. It means you factor in all the potential mistakes that could be made. You factor in all the variables, and you deliver your product on time. If you're "racing the clock" for whatever reason, then you're failing those customers. I realize the product was packed out and ready to be distributed, but I would have fought tooth and nail to release this product if I represented Razor because anything less would be viewed as a failure.

As a company starting out, the only thing you have to go on is your word. Your promise. Getting people to believe that you mean what you say and you say what you mean. Once that trust is established, then you have a customer base. It seems like at every chance that Razor has to provide a return on the faith of their believers, an issue like this crops up and ruins the integrity of the operation.

Has there been any product by Razor thus far that has not thoroughly disappointed or befuddled its customers?

Give it a rest, guy. The cards were sticking together in the pack to the point that it was damaging them to even OPEN THE PACKS. Of course they aren't going to release them. BG PERSONALLY destroyed the cards (on camera a lot of times). No telling how much money the company is losing to scrap and restart from the press (if they do).

Sheesh - they can't win for losing.

 

[Wes]

I don't care what the reasons are behind its cancellation, but any time you as a company delay your product, and this goes double if not triple for fledgling card companies that are fighting for legitimacy against household names, you lose credibility regardless.

Your release date is a promise to your customers. It means you factor in all the potential mistakes that could be made. You factor in all the variables, and you deliver your product on time. If you're "racing the clock" for whatever reason, then you're failing those customers. I realize the product was packed out and ready to be distributed, but I would have fought tooth and nail to release this product if I represented Razor because anything less would be viewed as a failure.

As a company starting out, the only thing you have to go on is your word. Your promise. Getting people to believe that you mean what you say and you say what you mean. Once that trust is established, then you have a customer base. It seems like at every chance that Razor has to provide a return on the faith of their believers, an issue like this crops up and ruins the integrity of the operation.

Has there been any product by Razor thus far that has not thoroughly disappointed or befuddled its customers?

When was the last time a Bowman Draft product came out on the first release date?

 

[MattinglyAlexander]

When was the last time a Bowman Draft product came out on the first release date?

[youtube:1r16lzny]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDU2kw4XnEw[/youtube:1r16lzny]

 

[allstars]

Well here is the big surprise he promised for the National.Rumor has it that "M" is being delayed do to a contract dispute with Chris Moneymaker.

now we know what the M stands for ;-)

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I don't care what the reasons are behind its cancellation, but any time you as a company delay your product, and this goes double if not triple for fledgling card companies that are fighting for legitimacy against household names, you lose credibility regardless.

Your release date is a promise to your customers. It means you factor in all the potential mistakes that could be made. You factor in all the variables, and you deliver your product on time. If you're "racing the clock" for whatever reason, then you're failing those customers. I realize the product was packed out and ready to be distributed, but I would have fought tooth and nail to release this product if I represented Razor because anything less would be viewed as a failure.

As a company starting out, the only thing you have to go on is your word. Your promise. Getting people to believe that you mean what you say and you say what you mean. Once that trust is established, then you have a customer base. It seems like at every chance that Razor has to provide a return on the faith of their believers, an issue like this crops up and ruins the integrity of the operation.

Has there been any product by Razor thus far that has not thoroughly disappointed or befuddled its customers?

When was the last time a Bowman Draft product came out on the first release date?

When was the last time Topps came out with a product that completely destroyed the value of Bowman Draft?

 

[Card Magnet]

I don't care what the reasons are behind its cancellation, but any time you as a company delay your product, and this goes double if not triple for fledgling card companies that are fighting for legitimacy against household names, you lose credibility regardless.

Your release date is a promise to your customers. It means you factor in all the potential mistakes that could be made. You factor in all the variables, and you deliver your product on time. If you're "racing the clock" for whatever reason, then you're failing those customers. I realize the product was packed out and ready to be distributed, but I would have fought tooth and nail to release this product if I represented Razor because anything less would be viewed as a failure.

As a company starting out, the only thing you have to go on is your word. Your promise. Getting people to believe that you mean what you say and you say what you mean. Once that trust is established, then you have a customer base. It seems like at every chance that Razor has to provide a return on the faith of their believers, an issue like this crops up and ruins the integrity of the operation.

Has there been any product by Razor thus far that has not thoroughly disappointed or befuddled its customers?

When was the last time a Bowman Draft product came out on the first release date?

When was the last time Topps came out with a product that completely destroyed the value of Bowman Draft?

Bowman Draft Chrome?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="Jeff N.":38a3xhoj]

I don't care what the reasons are behind its cancellation, but any time you as a company delay your product, and this goes double if not triple for fledgling card companies that are fighting for legitimacy against household names, you lose credibility regardless.

Your release date is a promise to your customers. It means you factor in all the potential mistakes that could be made. You factor in all the variables, and you deliver your product on time. If you're "racing the clock" for whatever reason, then you're failing those customers. I realize the product was packed out and ready to be distributed, but I would have fought tooth and nail to release this product if I represented Razor because anything less would be viewed as a failure.

As a company starting out, the only thing you have to go on is your word. Your promise. Getting people to believe that you mean what you say and you say what you mean. Once that trust is established, then you have a customer base. It seems like at every chance that Razor has to provide a return on the faith of their believers, an issue like this crops up and ruins the integrity of the operation.

Has there been any product by Razor thus far that has not thoroughly disappointed or befuddled its customers?

When was the last time a Bowman Draft product came out on the first release date?

When was the last time Topps came out with a product that completely destroyed the value of Bowman Draft?

Bowman Draft Chrome?[/quote:38a3xhoj]

Uh... Bowman Draft and Bowman Draft Chrome have been mixed in the same product since 2002.

There was no Bowman Draft Chrome in 2001, and while 2000 saw both Bowman Draft and Bowman Draft Chrome (both issued in factory form, both issued around the same time - neither was packed out), it is the Bowman Draft set which actually holds a higher value as there is a chance for a star auto such as Grady Sizemore in the Bowman set, with no auto in the Chrome set, and Grady Sizemore's RC is not in the Chrome, only in the Bowman set.

 

[Vagrant]

When was the last time a Bowman Draft product came out on the first release date?

Immaterial. At this point, Topps is so established that they dictate the market instead of the other way around. That is the benefit of being the big dog and the most trusted name in the hobby. In this day and age, with the multitude of products being released by the week, if you're going to try to jump in on that market then you need to come out with guns blazing and PROVE to your customers that you're a force to be reckoned with.

Take McDonalds vs. your corner street diner for example. Which one do you think could get away with alienating customers? Simple economics. If you're going to start from the ground floor, you have to do things that create trust. You have to do things that create bonds with people and move them to fight for your cause. Make it exciting. Make it seem fresh. Don't rehash the ideas of other companies and then release your products late or incomplete or not at all.

Right now, Razor is looking like a blueprint in how to do it wrong. I am neutral to their success or failure, but from an observer standpoint it seems like all news about Razor is bad news.

 

[Sweetness]

When was the last time a Bowman Draft product came out on the first release date?

Immaterial. At this point, Topps is so established that they dictate the market instead of the other way around. That is the benefit of being the big dog and the most trusted name in the hobby. In this day and age, with the multitude of products being released by the week, if you're going to try to jump in on that market then you need to come out with guns blazing and PROVE to your customers that you're a force to be reckoned with.

Take McDonalds vs. your corner street diner for example. Which one do you think could get away with alienating customers? Simple economics. If you're going to start from the ground floor, you have to do things that create trust. You have to do things that create bonds with people and move them to fight for your cause. Make it exciting. Make it seem fresh. Don't rehash the ideas of other companies and then release your products late or incomplete or not at all.

Right now, Razor is looking like a blueprint in how to do it wrong. I am neutral to their success or failure, but from an observer standpoint it seems like all news about Razor is bad news.

What they did do is build trust and create excitement. They killed a product that had a problem instead of selling the product for well over 100k. They could have just as easily sold the product anyway and delt with the problems all while having full pockets. I was never a fan but razor but I now have a new found respect for them and I think they deserve a lot of credit for making the tough but correct choice. I now plan on giving them my business in the future.

 

[mchenrycards]

well I have never been a supporter of razor but you have to at least give BG the benefit of the doubt right now. If its true that the product had issues with the quality...well then I have to hand it to him for pulling the plug. If it was over a contract issue or some other problem that he created well then he deserves all he gets. but for right now I am withholding judgement. Like I said benefit of the doubt and lets see where it all falls out.

 

[Vagrant]

What they did do is build trust and create excitement. They killed a product that had a problem instead of selling the product for well over 100k. They could have just as easily sold the product anyway and delt with the problems all while having full pockets. I was never a fan but razor but I now have a new found respect for them and I think they deserve a lot of credit for making the tough but correct choice. I now plan on giving them my business in the future.

It would be very likely that a mistake of the magnitude that would cause them to delay their product would have put them totally under. It would have been a dumb business move.

But hey, I know a lot of dealers that wouldn't touch this stuff with a ten foot pole and the after market sales validate that to this point.

They have one hell of an upward climb, and things like this are not positive regardless of how they're spun.

I didn't turn in my book report on it's due date teacher because it was incomplete. I'm going to come in next week with one that's going to knock your socks off because it's error free. Yeah, I could have done it right the first time and saved us all a lot of trouble..... but trust me when you do finally get it you're going to like what you see. I'm not big on due dates, to be honest.

Zero excuse for quality control problems when you're prepping a product for THE biggest event in card collecting and then have to pull the plug on it.

 

[mchenrycards]

What they did do is build trust and create excitement. They killed a product that had a problem instead of selling the product for well over 100k. They could have just as easily sold the product anyway and delt with the problems all while having full pockets. I was never a fan but razor but I now have a new found respect for them and I think they deserve a lot of credit for making the tough but correct choice. I now plan on giving them my business in the future.

It would be very likely that a mistake of the magnitude that would cause them to delay their product would have put them totally under. It would have been a dumb business move.

But hey, I know a lot of dealers that wouldn't touch this stuff with a ten foot pole and the after market sales validate that to this point.

They have one hell of an upward climb, and things like this are not positive regardless of how they're spun.

I didn't turn in my book report on it's due date teacher because it was incomplete. I'm going to come in next week with one that's going to knock your socks off because it's error free. Yeah, I could have done it right the first time and saved us all a lot of trouble..... but trust me when you do finally get it you're going to like what you see. I'm not big on due dates, to be honest.

Zero excuse for quality control problems when you're prepping a product for THE biggest event in card collecting and then have to pull the plug on it.

I cant disagree with you on this. Please dont take my next comments as bad because I certainly dont mean it to be demeaning but it sounds like you are still a student and maybe have not been in the working world all that much...again I am making an assumption but I dont know you. But in the world or mass production.. stuff happens. Some things are out of your control once the manufacturing process starts. Maybe the coating on the cards made the card stick together but this was not known till the product was packed out..who knows what happened. I will withhold judgement and give BG the benefit of the doubt. I agree with you ...it does look bad that they missed the big dance with their premier product,

And I hope you didnt take my comments wrong. they were not meant to be that way

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

If there is a silver lining to this cancellation, it's that if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

This was the ideal National to cancel a release for any reason, let alone a good reason like Razor had. The National has absolutely no steam heading into a small venue in Baltimore for 2010...and that's not good.