Razor M Baseball, Cancelled

[Lancemountain]

If there is a silver lining to this cancellation, it's that if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

This was the ideal National to cancel a release for any reason, let alone a good reason like Razor had. The National has absolutely no steam heading into a small venue in Baltimore for 2010...and that's not good.

I was thinking this too. How many people attend? Should be in in Vegas :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

 

[mchenrycards]

I agree. I just dont think the national will be well attended in Baltimore next year. I plan on going but only because my daughter and her family live a hour from there. its a great excuse to visit them.

I just think that by the national next year Razor will not be a blip on the radar because they will have either went out of business or swallowed up by the Upper Deck conglomerate.

 

[FortyFour]

If there is a silver lining to this cancellation, it's that if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

This was the ideal National to cancel a release for any reason, let alone a good reason like Razor had. The National has absolutely no steam heading into a small venue in Baltimore for 2010...and that's not good.

I was thinking this too. How many people attend? Should be in in Vegas :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

yea summer in Vegas = Not fun

 

[Vagrant]

I cant disagree with you on this. Please dont take my next comments as bad because I certainly dont mean it to be demeaning but it sounds like you are still a student and maybe have not been in the working world all that much...again I am making an assumption but I dont know you. But in the world or mass production.. stuff happens. Some things are out of your control once the manufacturing process starts. Maybe the coating on the cards made the card stick together but this was not known till the product was packed out..who knows what happened. I will withhold judgement and give BG the benefit of the doubt. I agree with you ...it does look bad that they missed the big dance with their premier product,

And I hope you didnt take my comments wrong. they were not meant to be that way

I suppose you could qualify me as still in school. I am in pursuit of a post graduate degree in business, which I feel is immaterial to the discussion since this is largely an issue in my mind with customer service. You are correct in your assumption that I haven't worked a great deal in the private sector in regards to shot calling or things of that nature, but I have been involved with a small family chain that during the course of my time there turned into a legit money making venture. I had VERY little to do with that mind you, but it gave me a great perspective in regards to how customer oriented that a good business should be and what needs to be done in order to create market viability.

Without a detailed explanation, and more than likely even with one provided, this failure to launch rests at the feet of Razor and their employees exclusively. Because in a business setting you get to select who you work with. What companies you deal with. Everything about the process you have to take credit for. How can you be less than 100% satisfied with your own work when you built the idea with your bare hands? Then to come out and say, "it's another parties fault", is just a ridiculous claim. I can hardly think of a situation that would make it the fault of another party that would crop up this late in the game and .....why not show a bit of responsibility when it comes to your work? It had better be a darn fine excuse in order to throw it at the feet of another company the way it was done in this thread.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Look, most here know that over the past year I have questioned almost every single move that Razor has done for countless reasons and yet the cancellation of this product made sense due to the issues that were found out on Monday...the week of the supposed release.

As Razor (and all card companies) outsource the printing, production and packaging for their products it has to leave their hands and they have to entrust those who specialize in such things. Razor did. And like in every production process, there is a potential for something to go wrong. It did.

The shelving of this product only cost Razor and no one else. It cost them money, but most importantly they know that it probably cost them some of their slight, yet hard-fought, credibility. Razor has had some serious credibility issues and they have tried to climb out and just as they seem to get in the clear something comes up to muddy it up.

Their history is their worst enemy at this point...not this problem-child of a product. They completely made the right decision on this.

 

[Vagrant]

How do we know this was a production issue? The owner of Razor explicitly said that it was a problem by another company that caused the delay in release. Had there been printing issues, I doubt they ever would have packed them out. Plus, how can they possibly blame somebody else when they picked the printing company and then packed out the cards anyways?

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

How do we know this was a production issue? The owner of Razor explicitly said that it was a problem by another company that caused the delay in release. Had there been printing issues, I doubt they ever would have packed them out. Plus, how can they possibly blame somebody else when they picked the printing company and then packed out the cards anyways?

I'm going on the report of someone other than the owner of Razor who saw the cards in Cleveland.

This printing company also prints for Upper Deck.

Also, as you probably aren't too familiar with printing, there are a lot of things that can go wrong once a product has been through production and packing. Not stating, nor implying, that this is the case...for example, a job has to be rushed through a print company and there is a gloss varnish applied to the top of each sheet and the deadline is fast approaching and the customer simply has to have the product. The product however needs at least another day to fully dry. The customer makes the call to cut down the product and assume the risk. After everything is cut down and boxed up...the sheets stick together like bricks.

 

[Vagrant]

I'm going on the report of someone other than the owner of Razor who saw the cards in Cleveland.

This printing company also prints for Upper Deck.

Also, as you probably aren't too familiar with printing, there are a lot of things that can go wrong once a product has been through production and packing. Not stating, nor implying, that this is the case...for example, a job has to be rushed through a print company and there is a gloss varnish applied to the top of each sheet and the deadline is fast approaching and the customer simply has to have the product. The product however needs at least another day to fully dry. The customer makes the call to cut down the product and assume the risk. After everything is cut down and boxed up...the sheets stick together like bricks.

Well regardless of who this company also prints for, the responsibility of selecting a printer that can meet your needs is the job of the business. They selected the printer that they thought best fit their needs and they were mistaken. Passing the buck down to another guy, or in this case passing the buck "up" as the printing company appears to be doing a nice enough job for a more viable trading card company, is amateurish and unprofessional.

And if that really is the case, then quality control again took a big dump for Razor as they should have known WELL before Cleveland if they had any kind of printing issues. The cards had to be signed or the sticker had to be applied .... do you not think Razor saw these cards in person before they had them packed out? If they didn't, there is another mistake they've made.

I am still failing to see how any quality control issue could be the fault of anybody except Razor, but i'll reserve the right to admit how wrong I was if or when an official announcement is made. They had better come a little harder than, "uhh.... somebody that printed our cards screwed up"..... when it's YOUR responsibility to ensure that does not happen.

 

[A_Pharis]

I'm going on the report of someone other than the owner of Razor who saw the cards in Cleveland.

This printing company also prints for Upper Deck.

Also, as you probably aren't too familiar with printing, there are a lot of things that can go wrong once a product has been through production and packing. Not stating, nor implying, that this is the case...for example, a job has to be rushed through a print company and there is a gloss varnish applied to the top of each sheet and the deadline is fast approaching and the customer simply has to have the product. The product however needs at least another day to fully dry. The customer makes the call to cut down the product and assume the risk. After everything is cut down and boxed up...the sheets stick together like bricks.

Well regardless of who this company also prints for, the responsibility of selecting a printer that can meet your needs is the job of the business. They selected the printer that they thought best fit their needs and they were mistaken. Passing the buck down to another guy, or in this case passing the buck "up" as the printing company appears to be doing a nice enough job for a more viable trading card company, is amateurish and unprofessional.

And if that really is the case, then quality control again took a big dump for Razor as they should have known WELL before Cleveland if they had any kind of printing issues. The cards had to be signed or the sticker had to be applied .... do you not think Razor saw these cards in person before they had them packed out? If they didn't, there is another mistake they've made.

I am still failing to see how any quality control issue could be the fault of anybody except Razor, but i'll reserve the right to admit how wrong I was if or when an official announcement is made. They had better come a little harder than, "uhh.... somebody that printed our cards screwed up"..... when it's YOUR responsibility to ensure that does not happen.

Um. Technically, it wasn't a "quality control problem". "Quality control" is what BG was doing by opening a pack, seeing the damage and destroying cards. That's actually quality control working quite effectively since the mistake happened so close to release. It was more of a printer error.

Get off your witch hunt. Razor is hurting from this, but I seriously doubt it was intentional. I applaud BG for destroying the cards instead of releasing them.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Look, most here know that over the past year I have questioned almost every single move that Razor has done for countless reasons and yet the cancellation of this product made sense due to the issues that were found out on Monday...the week of the supposed release.

As Razor (and all card companies) outsource the printing, production and packaging for their products it has to leave their hands and they have to entrust those who specialize in such things. Razor did. And like in every production process, there is a potential for something to go wrong. It did.

The shelving of this product only cost Razor and no one else. It cost them money, but most importantly they know that it probably cost them some of their slight, yet hard-fought, credibility. Razor has had some serious credibility issues and they have tried to climb out and just as they seem to get in the clear something comes up to muddy it up.

Their history is their worst enemy at this point...not this problem-child of a product. They completely made the right decision on this.

If the shelving of this product cost Razor money, then they have bad business sense if the production glitch was not thier problem. There is no reason that the company that "ruined" the product for the masses shouldn't be sued for the damages Razor incurred. I'm sure a deadline was given and potential losses were explained to the packager. Since they were negligent in their duties, the damages Razor suffered were reasonable and forseeable.

I' have no doubt that Upper De--er, Razor's crack legal team is looking into this.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

How do we know this was a production issue? The owner of Razor explicitly said that it was a problem by another company that caused the delay in release. Had there been printing issues, I doubt they ever would have packed them out. Plus, how can they possibly blame somebody else when they picked the printing company and then packed out the cards anyways?

I'm going on the report of someone other than the owner of Razor who saw the cards in Cleveland.

This printing company also prints for Upper Deck.

Coincidence?

I think not.

 

[sneekc]

It is another parties' fault, but that doesn't lessen my regret not to launch this product at this event... BG

Brian,

This was the first Razor product that I would have bought a few boxes and possibly cases of as I was really looking forward to it. Too bad it was scrapped.
If it was a printing error, you know that my company could take care of you
When we varnish or aqueous coat a product we always make sure it's dry before cutting so the bricking doesn't occur.

 

[beefycheddar]

I saw a box of M opened and the production issue was the stickers that sealed the top loaders were falling off, also the Wieters patches all creased the cards so they needed redemptions.

 

[P_Manning 18]

I saw a box of M opened and the production issue was the stickers that sealed the top loaders were falling off, also the Wieters patches all creased the cards so they needed redemptions.

When you saw the box being opened..... were u carrying the bear?

 

[beefycheddar]

I saw a box of M opened and the production issue was the stickers that sealed the top loaders were falling off, also the Wieters patches all creased the cards so they needed redemptions.

When you saw the box being opened..... were u carrying the bear?

Yes, it was as we left the hall.

 

[allstars]

All I can assimulate from this is that nobody seems to know the real issue. I know that Brian's passionate about what he's doing & is trying the best (because we converse periodically via pm), but issues like rough cuts & premature packing are more likely the result of pinching pennies & cutting corners than anything else. If I was preparing to have a product ready for the National, it would be done & ready a few weeks before the show.

 

[Vagrant]

All I can assimulate from this is that nobody seems to know the real issue. I know that Brian's passionate about what he's doing & is trying the best (because we converse periodically via pm), but issues like rough cuts & premature packing are more likely the result of pinching pennies & cutting corners than anything else. If I was preparing to have a product ready for the National, it would be done & ready a few weeks before the show.

Amen.

This isn't a "witch hunt", on my part to say that it was no other fault than his own. It's just the truth. Sorry if that gets anybody's hackles up.

 

[A_Pharis]

Oh, geeze. Give the guys a break. They had two products miss the national, and it's because people kept wanting more more more.

SOme of you people just aren't happy unless you're shooting someone else down. You may think that Razor cares less for you, but they care a whole hell of a lot more than any of the other companies right now so don't bite the hand that's trying to get you fed.

We know the real issues. Gilmore SAW the issues at National. There's no making it up. There are even posted pictures of Brian Gray CUTTING the Metal cards to destroy them. No wool over your eyes... no lies to milk more money... nothing.

Vagrant's attacks are the epitome of the old saying:

"Can't win for losing."

 

[beefycheddar]

All I can assimulate from this is that nobody seems to know the real issue. I know that Brian's passionate about what he's doing & is trying the best (because we converse periodically via pm), but issues like rough cuts & premature packing are more likely the result of pinching pennies & cutting corners than anything else. If I was preparing to have a product ready for the National, it would be done & ready a few weeks before the show.

I saw the cards and the issues, I stated that before. I also stated they did not want to have redemptions, which they needed since Wieters signed his patch cards before the patches were put in place and the printers destroyed the cards and creased them all up. I don't think there is any mystery to any of this. I know the real issue, I saw the real issues, I even took some pictures to prove this. I don't know what else can be said.

 

[MattinglyAlexander]

Oh, geeze. Give the guys a break. They had two products miss the national, and it's because people kept wanting more more more.

SOme of you people just aren't happy unless you're shooting someone else down. You may think that Razor cares less for you, but they care a whole hell of a lot more than any of the other companies right now so don't bite the hand that's trying to get you fed.

We know the real issues. Gilmore SAW the issues at National. There's no making it up. There are even posted pictures of Brian Gray CUTTING the Metal cards to destroy them. No wool over your eyes... no lies to milk more money... nothing.

Vagrant's attacks are the epitome of the old saying:

"Can't win for losing."

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