Razor NOT backed by Upper Deck?

[soccerman034]

From the chat:

"soccerman034: question: Why was the bankrolling of razor by UD kept from the public? Why when questioned about it where people threatened etc..?
Razor: Please feel free to post this anywhere.....
Razor: UPPER DECK DID NOT FUND RAZOR"

 

[Seiya]

ok, can't be said more clearly than that

 

[thefasterblade]

Thanks for clearing all this up in a 2 sentence chat.

 

[DRav87]

Now I will finally be able to sleep at night!

 

[Pinbreaker]

Didn't Richard McWilliams give him assistance?

Not Upper Deck Directly, but just Tricky Dick...

 

[Mahoody]

And we ALL believed Tricky Dick when he stated - " I AM NOT A CROOK ! " ::facepalm::

 

[All The Hype]

Regardless, they put out products that didn't stand up to a Donruss Elite or any Bowman product as far as quality goes. That's what matters to most people. Whether or not they got help from UD or anyone at UD...who cares?

 

[Casey2884]

Regardless, they put out products that didn't stand up to a Donruss Elite or any Bowman product as far as quality goes. That's what matters to most people. Whether or not they got help from UD or anyone at UD...who cares?

Pretty sure they blew Bowman and Upper Deck's first-ever baseball releases out of the water, so let's give them some time to at least make a few improvements.

 

[thenumberonemetfan]

Regardless, they put out products that didn't stand up to a Donruss Elite or any Bowman product as far as quality goes. That's what matters to most people. Whether or not they got help from UD or anyone at UD...who cares?

Pretty sure they blew Bowman and Upper Deck's first-ever baseball releases out of the water, so let's give them some time to at least make a few improvements.

eh bowman put out a pretty good product in 1948

 

[allstars]

Brian's obviously not gonna chime in on the subject, which is fine since it's nobody else's business.

We can still speculate though, so here goes.

I think this is all jibber-jabber. Brian owned a nice wholesale card business prior to Razor. I was a customer of his, it was a good company. I don't see any advantage for Mr McWilliams to back a new competitor for market share. It just doesn't make sense to me. Besides, if you were backing a new card company financially & you had the ability, wouldn't you make sure the new company did things right?

 

[brouthercard]

"Since the exquisite Tiger Woods is serial-numbered to 10 on our sell sheets, there are ten serial-numbered Tiger Woods in 2008 exquisite football"

Sincerely

Upper Deck did not fund Razor

 

[notjomommasclint]

Regardless, they put out products that didn't stand up to a Donruss Elite or any Bowman product as far as quality goes. That's what matters to most people. Whether or not they got help from UD or anyone at UD...who cares?

Pretty sure they blew Bowman and Upper Deck's first-ever baseball releases out of the water, so let's give them some time to at least make a few improvements.

in 1989 upper decks technology reinvented the hobby! 2008/09 razor not so much.

 

[All The Hype]

Brian's obviously not gonna chime in on the subject, which is fine since it's nobody else's business.

We can still speculate though, so here goes.

I think this is all jibber-jabber. Brian owned a nice wholesale card business prior to Razor. I was a customer of his, it was a good company. I don't see any advantage to Mr McWilliams to back a new competitor for market share. It just doesn't make sense to me. Besides, if you were backing a new card company financially & you had the ability, wouldn't you make sure the new company did things right?

Common speculation says that the incentive for them to help Razor would be to try to cripple Topps and their Bowman products.

I really don't care one way or another, I'd rather buy Bowman stuff until Razor proves that they can match that quality.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Pretty sure they blew Bowman and Upper Deck's first-ever baseball releases out of the water, so let's give them some time to at least make a few improvements.

Seriously?

And I used to have respect for your opinion.

 

[allstars]

[Common speculation says that the incentive for them to help Razor would be to try to cripple Topps and their Bowman products.

Common non-industry speculation maybe, no offense-

McWilliams wouldn't have had to try to accomplish that through a company like Razor. He has MJ, Tiger, Wayne, Sandy, Lebron, Kobe, Griffey, KG, (should I go on) under exclusive contracts. You think he's worried about Topps selling some low-end products? The guy that buys Bowman Draft isn't the same guy that buys Exquisite or Ultimate collection, I can testify to that. From the beginning the UD guys knew they'd never bring down the Topps dynasty. Just like Coke & Pepsi. The Challenge ended years ago.

Now if RM had wanted to go up against the Bowman Nation, he'd have done it years ago & not under a mask. He pays millions of dollars for the biggest names in sport, he doesn't take gambles on crapshot prospects. It's too risky.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":3dsqe5t7][Common speculation says that the incentive for them to help Razor would be to try to cripple Topps and their Bowman products.

Common non-industry speculation maybe, no offense-

McWilliams wouldn't have had to try to accomplish that through a company like Razor. He has MJ, Tiger, Wayne, Sandy, Lebron, Kobe, Griffey, KG, (should I go on) under exclusive contracts. You think he's worried about Topps selling some low-end products? The guy that buys Bowman Draft isn't the same guy that buys Exquisite or Ultimate collection, I can testify to that. From the beginning the UD guys knew they'd never bring down the Topps dynasty. Just like Coke & Pepsi. The Challenge ended years ago.

Now if RM had wanted to go up against the Bowman Nation, he'd have done it years ago & not under a mask. He pays millions of dollars for the biggest names in sport, he doesn't take gambles on crapshot prospects. It's too risky.[/quote:3dsqe5t7]


Oh jeez Warren, you're not getting the idea behind this at all are you bud? If you don't realize the market there is for the mass produced Bowman Product, well...I'm not going to try & explain it (though I will say that UD's hands were tied by the MLBPA & they had to follow thier "rule's" which prevented them from being able to touch the prospect market, hence prevented them from openly challenging the "cash-cow" that is the Bowman line). Is it starting to become a little bit clearer how this could make sense? I read it from BG though & he says no connection between UD & Razor, so unless anything else surface's then might as well not dwell on the past!